Another shock for Mozart and AO

Churchill nailed many things and with wit Still I don't like in your face "confidence" as many such people are of little substance, it's often an act just as is false humility. 

By in your face I mean the loud mouth types who are full of hot air. I've not met the people you list but from what I've seen on TV none of them are in your face about their excellence but they are clearly very confident and it's a natural confidence.

There's genuine humility, it's understanding what you are and what you are not. Those with the ego seek to domineer. Naturally confident people attract others. Strong leaders have that aura. Tyrants require manipulation and leverage, and once in a position of influence suffocate everyone and erode everything.

As for the forum. Disagreement is the life blood of every forum, though forums dedicated to academia is not a place for banter or squabbles. 

I personally don't mind that Lügnerin is as he is. I use it as an opportunity to laugh. What does it matter what he says or thinks? In the end none of us matter. Take it all with a grain of salt. What goes on here occurs in real life anyway. If it becomes too negative or tiring, take a break. Or find a different perspective to help you see it all for what it is and contribute in different ways. 

All of this... so long as you know I'm right. 

I am aspiring for the Zen of banter but you fxxxxing nutcases are not helping  Time to start some more inward reflection... damn it!!

Self-confidence has sweet nothing to do with bragging or boasting of one's achievements or successes, self-confidence is tied in with self-belief whereas bragging reflects a fragile or insecure ego. It's good to have self-belief because if you don't believe in yourself then don't expect others to believe in you. No-one likes an in your face self-confident braggart.

Ali had another agenda, he was all about filling up the "Garden" .....developed a bigmouth after watching a wrestler going by the handle of Precious George. He also denied being "The Greatest" in later life, said so on a couple of talk shows.

Australian teams don't brag, that's just nonsense, they play a no holds barred in your face type of cricket. A bit like the abrasive Mcenroe used to play tennis.

South Africans have a habit of letting everyone know about their academic qualifications as a way of projecting their self importance, that's the one thing I admire most about Ozzies....they don't.

At the end of the day it's an individuals choice, live or die by your own values.....I enjoy the way I roll having been influenced by the likes of Martin Luther King Jnr, John Steinbeck, Mahatma Ghandi, Ayn Rand and Madiba.

No, like most people I find people who brag a turnoff. And the reason I mention those persons is because they were all great achievers, humble, never braggarts. They are just some of the people I respect and admire and the one thing they had in common is that they were unassuming down to earth folks. I don't claim to be anything close to their mighty achievements.

Hope that satisfies.

Oh alright, whatever you say, thanks for pointing out that I've been respecting and admiring the wrong people. Dang, I probably should have added Trump to that list.

Mike will be here shortly, it's not that long to wait to have your daily play, as for me I'm over an out with a life to live.

I leave it to you to have the last say.

I'm afraid you are missing the point...there are no Tiger Woods, Gary Players, Cassius Clays (Muhammed Alis) Winston Churchills here...whether they are "great" depends on which context you mean and your values, nevertheless they never had to brag and if they did just like we all slip up in life and err that was not their modus operandi. They did not have to say they had lots of money or I played with so and so and I'm better than you...Hahahaha

Yes true humility (not false pride or false manipulation of humility) does exist...I've often seen it in some people, in family, in old school friends and those around in life, I cannot speak of the world famous.

Apparently it did exist in Uruguay's president Jose Mujica, businessman Warren Buffet, Joyce Banda of Malawi, Ian Smith of Rhodesia and of course the greatest of all the Christ.

When I was young I also saw it the head of SA's second largest insurance company...he drove a small standard sedan and when his colleagues were alarmed and asked him why...he simply said it does the job economically and I simply like it...it's easy to drive, light on petrol and easy to park....and he meant it. Also he was one of the best leaders that company ever had.

Boasting and bragging or showing off... is just to compensate something that a persons lacks or needs to impress his brittle self image...big men don't need too.

Madiba was a Knights of Malta Mason. Not the squeaky clean person everyone thinks he is. Maybe the Boks would fare better if they scrape that 666 of the sleeve. Heylel worshippers. Very dangerous people. 

Yes there are wonderful people in the world and those ae normally humble and serving the less fortunate people of the world - the poor, the hungry and the homeless.

That is a great and natural person who sacrificed his own well-being for the benefit of his people.   In the history of the world there are very few of those really great people around.   Many claim to do that and very few actually does.

In history they are few and far between.   In the past two centuries and studying history I would say only the Emperor Franz Joseph of Austria could be regarded as one of those.   In the 20th century there really was none in politics and that includes Ghandi as well.  The one I regard as coming nearest to that was Salazar of Portugal.

In literature there were a few too - but probably the eminent example was Tolstoy.   

I would not regard sportsmen in that category - most fail from a humanitarian perspective.   Great sportsmen have different tendencies and the best of those are entertainers giving great joy to sports lovers.

Well I'll be damned!

...and I actually agree with you 2 on this. 

Catholicism is Babylonian witchcraft. The fruit matches the tree. 

Well, I don't want to be officially be damned , so all OK then?

Yes indeed, even some monarch's were good...King George VI turned out well...he overcame his speech defect with amazing perseverance and sense of duty and goodness to people of all classes unlike that cad of brother who abdicated to marry that ugly evil woman. What a contrast from the same family.

He had genuine humility and was loved by all. Sadly he died young...a great man.

Seb

I was five years old when King George VI  and his family visited SA and between cities travelled in the White Train.  En route the one short stop was Riversdale, where the King and Queen stepped off the train to meet some local dignitaries and leading people from the area,

My parents took my brother and I with them all dressed up in sailor suits and a neighbor took us and put us on the platform roof leaving us just about a meter away from the King and Queen where they greeted the dignitaries amongst others my parents.  We had a birds eye view of the whole thing  and giggled when we see how the local Afrianers tried to bow and curtsy - must say it was very funny.   

I later heard that the Mayor's wife said to the Queen "My Dear it is so nice to meet you" and both the King and Queen laughed about that rather big breach of etiquette,          

Even better, thanks Moz!!!!