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April Fools day is coming

Started by clevermike27 REPLIES874 VIEWS· 30 Mar 2016, 10:33
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2016, 10:33
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30 Mar 2016, 10:33#1
And SARU has their AGM that day.  Quite appropriate as they are deciding on the coach to be appointed that day.   I suspect the thing is kept under wraps to avoid an uproar before the AGM and the appointment is likely to be another April Fool.
But according to Divan Serfontein -
*   SARU is rotten from top to bottom; and*   Meyer was a sh!t coach - so who would expect anybody better from SARU.     
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WardadPro6,663 posts
30 Mar 2016, 14:27
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30 Mar 2016, 14:27#2
 Thought it was yer special day wee Mikey ! Nah kidding mate although with those predictions of yours ......
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Mar 2016, 14:44
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30 Mar 2016, 14:44#3
 Don't be shocked if Coetzee gets the Bok gig. The real crux wpuld be his staff, so untill that has been settled, there's no need to go into mourning. Alistair is a good man manager and a good communicator. He should be fine as coach, IF he can get the right staff. 
Mike, Coetzee as next coach is a given....stock up on the Xanor and Prosac if that's going to be a shock to your system.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2016, 15:18
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30 Mar 2016, 15:18#4
 Draad
I really do not need medicine - I know what is coming.  Very suitable that the announcement will be made on April's Fools day.  We will end up with a team that cannot play 15 man rugby - ie with the typical Stormers game plan and midgets instead of players in the backline.  
I also know about the opinion poll that attracted 22 000 votes and where Coetzee got barely 20% support.  If he is appointed that would reflect what the rugby supporting  public really think and is a bad sign.  He will be subjected to hell on earth virtually from the start of his coaching career - no honeymoon period for that one.
Just cannot believe this man has got it in him to coach the Springboks - sad to say.         
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Mar 2016, 17:29
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30 Mar 2016, 17:29#5
 Mike, the head coach is in many cases just a front and its mostly up to the staff to make it work. Having a POC as head coach takes off a bit of political pressure. Snorre was so much out of contention that he couldn't get the staff he wanted, Alistair is more credible and will be able to put a decent coaching team together. Who knows what he could have dome with a decent 10 at the Stormers? No need to panic yet.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2016, 17:38
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30 Mar 2016, 17:38#6
 Draad 
That may be the case - but after the disaster of Meyer - many of us are cynical about the issue.  
It was not only the flyhalf problem that hamstrung the Stormers - it as th e whole structure of the Stormers backline and their inability to score tries that caused havoc in the past.   
One cannot help but wonder about Coretzee's ability to put a proper coaching structure in place,  There is a lot of politics in evidence and he may decide on True as his backline coach and that would be a disaster.   
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Mar 2016, 18:11
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30 Mar 2016, 18:11#7
 SARU is insisting on a quota as coach ... so they can get their "national" team filled with the same. 
We all knew this day would come.
Well boys .... it's here.
Our soccer team is a joke. Has been since Clive Barker called it a day. So is our national cricket side ... for that matter our junior cricket team too. 
Truly a laugh a minute. 
Now it's rugby's turn to take up their spot amongst the these losers.



  

 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2016, 22:36
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30 Mar 2016, 22:36#8
 To be honest we have been rugby losers since 2009. Put another way what have won except for one Junior WC played on SA soil?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2016, 11:51
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31 Mar 2016, 11:51#9
 So Coetzee is the man and SARU will not make an announcement because he wantsd Fleck and Proudfoot as his assistants and that is still under negotiation. 
That would mean a repeat of the rubbish rugby Coetzee is known for.  A rough ride is awaiting this dud as coach.
Mozart at last admitted that the usage of has-beens as practised by the last two coaches - the proxy-coached De Villiers (the team being run by the senior players)  and Meyer - was a flop and that we had duds as coaches since 2008.   That is a huge admnission on his part.  Meyer took us down to the no 6 ranked country - never achieved by De Villiers.
Coetzee is bound to succeed with an even lower rating.      
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Mar 2016, 13:00
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31 Mar 2016, 13:00#10
 Mike, the head coach is in many cases just a front and its mostly up to the staff to make it work. Having a POC as head coach takes off a bit of political pressure. Snorre was so much out of contention that he couldn't get the staff he wanted, Alistair is more credible and will be able to put a decent coaching team together. Who knows what he could have dome with a decent 10 at the Stormers? No need to panic yetDraad really!!! Not selecting the best coach available is disgusting as a matter of Principle. You are far too accomodating about all this.  E ven ex anc stalwart ou maaaikie is fed up!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2016, 13:25
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31 Mar 2016, 13:25#11
 Beeno 
If Coetzee is appointed as coach we are in the era that public opinion - in this case the rugby supporters are shown the upper finger by the SARU Executive.  They want to appoint a person who has a 20% support base in a recent opinion poll.   If Coetzee is indeed appointed and he just does the incredibly stupid thing of ap pointing Fleck and Proudfoot as his assistants, SA Rugby will go the Stormers way - ie an inability to play proper rugby without any ability to score tries.
Meyer did enough damage in that respect - do we need an even worse coach to carry the downward trend?  
In a way I am sorry for Coetzee - he will have no honeymoon period and will be walking straight into hell from the word go.    
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Mar 2016, 13:41
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31 Mar 2016, 13:41#12
 Mike I am very keen on my tennis and will continue to be so!Coetzee is a decent guy with a small brain. He simply hasn't got it.We need the best the world has to offer.
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sharkbokCaptain23,274 posts
31 Mar 2016, 15:56
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31 Mar 2016, 15:56#13
I do expect the Boks to become an affirmative action unit over the next two years in time for the next world cup. 
Unfortunately, we will not choose the best available players for the 2019 Squad- unless they happen not to be white at that time.  
However the reality is that the majority of the rugby players in SA are Afri=kaans White people- so only a minority of this pool will be selected. 
We need to unearth more talent very quickly- or 2019 we are not going to make it through the group stages.


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
31 Mar 2016, 16:14
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31 Mar 2016, 16:14#14

Yes ... your right, Mozart.
It's a sad tale of what could have been ... what should have been ... an era under the guiding hand of Jake the "Snake" White.
Like him or not ... he still brought us top honours ... and was streets ahead of the chumps we've had since his dismissal.
It's all about rugby in the end ... not a popularity contest.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2016, 17:13
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31 Mar 2016, 17:13#15
Mike I have admitted nothing of the sort. Why would I when the ABs won the RWC with an older team than ours? 
So why did we not win RWC2015? It comes down to losing the game against the ABs. I can mention specifics for that game.....the failed lineouts....the poor line kicking which kept us deep in our half....Lomp's horrible missed tackle.....the failure to capitalize on the AB yellow. All valid points.

But in truth NZ was a better team. None of our backs would have made the NZ backline and maybe two or three of our forwards. Perhaps there are one or two ties. But if you scored the ABs at an 8 we might have been a 6.5 with pockets of strength where we should have been able to compete.

So what do you do with that grim assessment. You choose a team and a strategy that plays to those pockets of strength. That requires an astute tough minded coach. HM never  could quite the resist the populist calls the way Jake did when he deep sixed Luke the Puke. Nor did he have the quality of assistants Jake did. And he didn't have the young cadre of players to spice the mix.

HM is a decent man and a competent coach, but not as single mindedly focused on winning as Jake was....so we didn't.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2016, 18:40
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31 Mar 2016, 18:40#16
 What about the lost line out by Matfield and his penalty turnaround - why not mention that?  What about the ball possession loss by Burger who resulted in the second AB try.  
The real bugger up came from Meyer's predictable game plan.  This is not about Meyer being a decent man, but professional capacity was seriously absent in his case.  If Meyer did listen to some of the professional calls about the deficiency of the players who ultimately let him down - there would have been a time for him to build up a squad for the WC.  The fact that he ignored the warning signs flashing since 2012 was what caused his downfall.  
Jake was so single-mindedly focused that he had to call in Eddie Jones to deal with the issue of which he knew nothing in 2007 and still new nothing about in 2014 - when he coached the Sharks - namely backline play.   Jake had the luck of a pox-doctor never coming up against NZ and only have to contend with the aged English team.
You still do not realize about the difference between the older NZ players and the older Springbok players.  The older NZ was still PERFORMING on the required level - the older Springboks were NOT and was playing on reputation.  That difference is important - but not according to some who rate reputation as the main issue in team selection.     
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2016, 21:02
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31 Mar 2016, 21:02#17
 Yes we have heard it all before...a broken record.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2016, 21:04
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31 Mar 2016, 21:04#18
 We have all heard your views before - a shattered record.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2016, 21:18
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31 Mar 2016, 21:18#19
 Actually you stupid moron...a shattered record makes no sound....a broken record keeps repeating, making an annoying noise. Here you go: 

    someone or something that annoyingly repeats itself, as a vinyl record with a scratch. You are starting to sound like a broken record. Word Origin. 1940. 










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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
31 Mar 2016, 23:06
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31 Mar 2016, 23:06#20
 the following is from Fox sports

http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/enemy-scout-allister-coetzee-firms-as-new-boks-coach-while-wallabies-accused-of-being-boring/news-story/5ad48871589f281c52af908dd7f73fc7


THE Springboks are set to announce their new coach on Friday

Allister Coetzee is expected to be announced as the Springboks coach on Friday.

South Africa — Allister Coetzee firms as new coach


IT’S been five months in the making, but at long last South African will have a new Springboks coach on Friday following the departure of Heyneke Meyer in December.

Allister Coetzee, who won a World Cup as Jake White’s assistant in 2007, appears to have won the job ahead of SARU’s general manager of high performance Rassie Erasmus.


But the details on who will assist Coetzee are less clear.

Despite signing a new two-year contract extension on Tuesday, there is growing momentum for Lions coach Johan Ackermann to be involved in the coaching setup.


Lions CEO Rudolf Straeuli left the door open for negotiations should the mother body decide to adopt the Australian model of appointing a franchise coach to assist the national boss, but said he had yet be approached.


“At the moment, Saru has not spoken to me about Johan but, much like players, we will not stand in the way,” Straeuli said.

“If Saru wants to talk to us about any of our coaches and players, we are open for such discussions, if it means a sharing option or if it’s an option that will help Ackermann grow…

“There’s an important Saru general meeting on Friday and we are looking to them to give us that guidance.

“That said, the dual-role system has worked well for Australia, with Cheika and Larkham.

“In the professional era, maybe it is a system that we will have to look at and, hopefully, one that will benefit both parties.”

Jake White and Allister Coetzee during the Springboks captain's run in 2007.

However, Test rugby’s most capped referee Jonathan Kaplan said that the Springboks should have hired Ackermann as their coach.


“I would love to see Johan involved,” Kaplan said on The Dan Nicholl Show.

“He’s shown (with the Lions) that he can bring a team from ashes, playing a very special brand of rugby, challenging some of the Kiwi teams, and I think this year will be a standout year for them.

“He’s hit some of the right buttons along the way.

“It is a step up from provincial rugby to Test rugby, but he is a South African, he is an ex-Springbok, so from a culture perspective, he understands pretty well.

“I’ve seen what he can do with no name brands, so if he can work with established names, I’m sure he can build something really good.”


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WardadPro6,663 posts
31 Mar 2016, 23:12
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31 Mar 2016, 23:12#21
 Why is Kaplan spruiking for the Boks and involving himself  ?Hey BP how goes it brother ? 
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
31 Mar 2016, 23:25
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31 Mar 2016, 23:25#22
 Kaplan is a blowhard who likes to stay in the limelight. 
On the rest of the article this quote struck me"

"Despite signing a new two-year contract extension on Tuesday, there is growing momentum for Lions coach Johan Ackermann to be involved in the coaching setup.


Lions CEO Rudolf Straeuli left the door open for negotiations should the mother body decide to adopt the Australian model of appointing a franchise coach to assist the national boss, but said he had yet be approached."


It is good for SA rugby that the Lions CEO is open to the idea of negotiating coach Ackermann's involvement in the Boks. It would be good for SA rugby if the national team takes priority, this is what NZ teams do and it works.

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WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Apr 2016, 00:25
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01 Apr 2016, 00:25#23
 Too much tribalism bro ,like the 14s in France its local team first national team second or so it seems compared to NZ .Our Saffa friends could enlighten us on this ?I reckon the partial draft is the one big thing the saffas and Aussies have overlooked ,it made me chortle when beandunce was p!ssing and moaning about NZ sides supposedly loading all the talent into one or two teams .Obviously knows SFA about how kiwi sides work ,especially considering only the Bulls have won for SA compared to 4 out of 5 NZ teams [ Canes better pull finger !}
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Apr 2016, 07:31
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01 Apr 2016, 07:31#24

I don't agree with you, Mozart. Meyer never bent the knee to any outside pressures. 
He stood firm and followed his foolish notions ... sinking us all to the humiliation of defeats to Scotland and Japan. Succumbing to public pressure is not necessarily a bad thing. 
Meyer simply refused to be told how to go about it. It wasn't a matter of not seeing the obvious talent out there but rather simply a case of his stubborn arrogant pride getting in the way.
He took no advice from anyone. 
How many times does one have to be told that Pienaar or JJ or Taute or Coenie or Morne or Alberts or Kirschner or Gurthro or Jannie ... and and and ... aren't top of the line players ... that we have much better waiting for their call up back home ... hungrier ... younger ... and on form.
He refused to accept that he had it all wrong and it cost us ... "Kyk noord en fok voort" was his motto and that's exactly what he did. 

When he did make changes it was mostly due to injuries and then he capped the likes of Werner Kruger and a host of other sub-standard palookas that should never have been allowed to don the Bok jersey. 
Getting a few things wrong here and there would have been acceptable ... Meyer however fluffed it constantly and did so over his entire 4 year term. 

I'm afraid Meyer was a very poor coach and no excuse will validate his disastrous term at the helm.
He had an opportunity to take us to the next level ... to bring the long awaited Bok era in ...and he blew it.  I will always regard him as a fool and probably the worst coach the Boks have ever had ... second only to Pieter De Villiers.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Apr 2016, 09:01
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01 Apr 2016, 09:01#25
 The simple truth is adopt merit as your guiding principle or be a loser. While other countries strive with all their might for excellence we wont even select the best. Then we have a mass exodus of players as well. Its difficult to see how we will regain our past glories under this scenario.Bent down under refs of course are also a huge problem as the get the Jarpie agenda continues to flourish.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Apr 2016, 12:28
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01 Apr 2016, 12:28#26
 Whats that ? Some half-wit droning on about refs ? Did the ref play for Japan too ? 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Apr 2016, 19:51
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01 Apr 2016, 19:51#27
I fear Kriel and Coenie have to pick up the tab for the Japanese loss.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Apr 2016, 21:10
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01 Apr 2016, 21:10#28
 Mozart
BALlS - BALLS - BALLS,  What about Matfield ignoring the instructions of Meyer - what about Bismarck giving away 4 penalties - what about Burger spilling four balls he was carrying?  That is just a few examples which you prefer to ignore.  There was also Pienaar and Jannie who buggered up as well.   You are totally wrong in this case and your comments trying to blame two players only, while keeping quiet about th mes made by other players?
However, as you stated elsewhere - we have all heard that broken record on your part before and I think we will hear it in future time and time again.   I am afraid that your input is not only one-sided - it is prejudiced as well -consequently totally worthless taking into account the match as a whole.
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