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Battle of the 10s

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2021, 09:53
#1
15 Aug 2021, 09:53#1

I have long held the view that Pollard is the first real exceptional talent at ten since Butch, in terms of ceiling, but watching Russell and Sanchez recently left me feeling dissatisfied with what we have gotten out of Pollard. Right now, he is a more complete player than he was in the 2015 WC, where he couldn't tactically control a match, especially with the boot. Since the Scotland test of 2018, we really haven't seen any elusive quality and vision at an elite level. In the Lions series, he was great in terms of tactical kicking and was solid elsewhere, but not really the ignition for something more. The Pollard who bamboozled the All Blacks is being suffocated by our dour gameplan. 

Yesterday, there was a great play where Sanchez burst through Reinach and Louw (06:30) after fielding a Jantjies high ball. He then instantly sees Wiese in front of him. He sums up the situation perfectly and holds flat with P15 coming up on his inside. He fakes the short ball, which sets Wiese on P15 ready for a hard line between him and Dweba. Sanchez spins, and he is through. He is taken high Louw, but ARG have quick clean ball, and have us on the ropes a bit. The vision of Sanchez, the great support line by P15, it was lightyears to what the Boks had to offer. We aren't seeing anything great out of out 10s. Right now it appears that Pollard is buying into the José line to his detriment. He should be top tier, but he is not fulfilling that potential. There are many other instances of Sanchez bamboozling the Boks. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2021, 10:33
#2
15 Aug 2021, 10:33#2

Kindergarten Imbecile

Now first of all - now el get it straight.  In the WC in 2015 Pollard had no chance to perform - he was cut out of the atrocious Meyer game plan because he got no more than 25% of the balls passed by the scrummies  and was never given any opportunity to show anything    His only requirement  was to kick balls whenever the passes were made to him.    The real situation was that Meyer's coaching nearly destroyed Pollard as a flyhalf.    So leave out that garbage about 2015.

Under  Ersamus the true value of Pollard was exposd as the leading flyhalf of the year in 2019 in World Rugby and he was one of the key players in the WC final where England was thrashed in the gfame and Du Toit took care and neutralized the two flyhalfs used.    In all aspects of the game Pollard was superb/     In the Lions series  he got just before the first test out of an isolation period due to Covid and had no training for near to 3 weeks and that was part of the reason the backline struggled against the Lions/     

In the second test he showed some of the flair he showed in 2019 and by the third  test he was good as well - bar his goal kicking  which became problematic towards the end of the match..

That being said Sanchez always was a top class flyhalf - he was the one player who contributed to the saving of Stade Francais from the disaster Meyer caused  by using Morne at flyhalf - the team was nearly demoted from the French Top 14 proving that eh always was a factor in any game.   Remember the missed tackle of Mostert in 2019 - which lead to a try in the 2019 RC match that led to the only try the Pumas scored against the Boks..   Sanchez just ran over the feeble and mistimed attempt by Mostert.

Sanchez is a very good flyhalf - Pollard is a much better one.    It is really funny to read your drivel  based on one incident during a match  when the weakest possible backline defense by the  Spr ingboks was in evidence, in the  match  yesterday.   LMAO

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2021, 11:23
#3
15 Aug 2021, 11:23#3

"he was cut out of the atrocious Meyer game plan because he got no more than 25% of the balls passed by the scrummies  and was never given any opportunity to show anything"

For someone who claims to be clever, you really are a very stupid man. 


Now, the question is this: Which player on any team receives 25% of team possession specifically by the 9? You really are a plonker! 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2021, 11:51
#4
15 Aug 2021, 11:51#4

Proves ther dud is rying out zero g ain to prove zero.   What about the passing of balls  by the scrummies number and how many of those went to the flyhalf and what prercentage went to other players?    That is where the flyhalf position was neutralizerd - not the garbage you came up with.   Those ercntages are false anyway - if the percentage of ablls received is low - the % of  actual performances are distorted.    Fact is the 2015 WC was an unmitigated disaster because of the coach.    .   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2021, 12:02
#5
15 Aug 2021, 12:02#5

Grasping at straws. Output was higher, the ball circulated around the team more. Both Willie and Pollard were more productive, and this was before the post-2015 shift where attack figures increased substantially across the board (until José & Krutch regressed us). Well beaten again, because you presume to know things, but never take the time to know for certain. You are always wrong, and you will always be wrong. Can the plastics be anything else? 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2021, 17:23
#6
15 Aug 2021, 17:23#6

I think Pollard is being constrained by Hun Harrassmus. Hell even Dud Allende is being limited….back in 2015 when he was channeling SBW he could actually offload. I haven’t seen him offload since Hun took over. Just dour box kicking and crash ball running, waiting for a turnover.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Aug 2021, 17:32
#7
15 Aug 2021, 17:32#7

HORSE MANURE!!!!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2021, 18:54
#8
15 Aug 2021, 18:54#8

The fact is theat the Kindergarten imbecile miss out on what backline play really entail and the cutting out of the flyhalf 8)% of the time is detrimental to such.  There can be some circulation of balls between forwards without any real success in meters gaine and that si what Meyer produced.  in his game plan.    

He himself said that the SA backline players lack the ball skills needed to play a ball-in-hand game  and that is where the whole idea of 15 man rugby collapsed.    

He also missed out on the fact that the flyhalf is the pivot of any backline play - not a kicking dummy who do not have any part in backline attacks.    That is why he sees nothing involving Pollard in such attacks and do not understand what is happening in games.

HORSE MANURE INDEED.       .   

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2021, 21:04
#9
15 Aug 2021, 21:04#9
DA offloaded against the Lions
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2021, 21:09
#10
15 Aug 2021, 21:09#10
So ‘horse manure’ ….Hun Harrassmus has encouraged his inside backs to offload.?  Dud does it all the time ….right? Okay not right…so who is up to his eye balls in horse manure?
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2021, 21:50
#11
15 Aug 2021, 21:50#11

Pollard had a greater influence on the game under Meyer. It's not even close. Look the lesser possessions under José, the team isn't amassing a lot of possessions because their phase play doesn't go beyond one or two rucks. Pollard's percentages are only as high as they are under José because total team possession is markedly lower. Wake-up people. Look at Willie's production in 2015 to 2018/19, massive drop-off. And that in an era where attack figures have spiked. Shocking. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2021, 10:27
#12
16 Aug 2021, 10:27#12

A great influence in the games under Meyer?    The first time we saw Pollard under Meyer was in the 2014 AB test.  however, after that test  Meyer started working on him and he was in and out of the team  because he was not good enough  to meet the imbecilic Meyer's game plan.   He then came into the 2015 WC squad but did not start  in the Japan disaster.

So be it as it may - Pollard was played in each test after the Japan disaster - but starved of ball possession - which is clear when looking at the  stats as to passing of the ball in those tests.   In fact most of the balls passed to him  were when he had to make relieving kicks and any backline attacking moves were in virtually all  cases absent.    There were indeed nothing to indicate  that he would develo0p further as a flyhalf.   

Pollard was a completely different and 100% better player when Erasmus took over as Springbok coach - that was why he was considered as the best flyhalf in  the WC series.   

Willie was not effective in 2015 and his production was to catch balls and run with it to the first tackler - or when eh did kick it the kicks were of poor quality,   Fact was Willie was so poor in performance in teh wc that even the idiotic Coetzee  would not select him in tests in 2016 and 2017.   

Like all other players Willie was a much better performer in 2019 than he was in 2015.   It is unfortunate that he did make some handling errors when joining th backline defense - but hsi kicking game in 2019 was vastly superior to what it was in 2015.

Lets look at the following idiocy:- 

"Pollard's percentages are only as high as they are under José because total team possession is markedly lower. Wake-up people."

I cannot believe any sane person would write that sentence.    Are you sure you do not belong in an asylum?  It is no0t only HORSE SHIT,  it is also PIG SHIT, SNAKE SHIT, WORM SHIT  and all other forms of SHIT imaginable.  

Just advise us again - why was Meyer fired by .Stade  Francais?              

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Aug 2021, 16:53
#13
16 Aug 2021, 16:53#13

Pollard was dropped because of external pressure to play the precious little Lambie. Pollard was booed off the field because of the unintelligent oafs masquerading as humans who fell in love with dear little Bambie. The best production was in the Pollard tests, Lambie and Goosen floundered when Meyer turned to them. Pollard was always better, and we saw more of his attacking ability under Meyer than we ever saw under Josè. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2021, 17:06
#14
16 Aug 2021, 17:06#14

Any coach dropping a player due to outside pressure is not a coaches arse or better still is one.    Goosen did not flounder as claimed and was out with an injury before joining a French  club  - where in 2016 he was the Player of the Year in the Top 14 competition.    Meyer preferred a dud like Morne to be in the 2015 WC and got him selected without using him for more than 30 minutes in the whole series.   Why did White picked Goosen ahead of  Steyn to play for the Bulls in future?    Because Steyn is a kicking dummy with no other abilities required from a flyhalf - end of story.   

Your view  on player performance and coaching is super shit anyway. because you ignore reality.   Bar for the fact that Erasmus took Pollard out of the desperate and dispirited situation Meyer landed him in - there were no evidence that Pollard was any better in 2015 than he was in 2019.  He was not allowed to perform, in 2015 because of the Meyer distortion of what Meyer called a game plan.

B y the way KI - why was Meyer fired by Stade Francais as coach?   

    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Aug 2021, 17:31
#15
16 Aug 2021, 17:31#15

And did Harrassmus pick Goosen as you predicted? Nope….no need for a lightweight, airhead who’s only long suite is running in space…..when there is no space, and no willingness to run.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Aug 2021, 18:25
#16
16 Aug 2021, 18:25#16

What greater buckle could there be than selecting Kolisi not only as starting opensider, but as captain. Hamstringing the team for a racist selection to appease the politicos. Lügnerin, each and every time you try to fire back, you strike your own face. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2021, 18:41
#17
16 Aug 2021, 18:41#17

Kolisi deserve his place in the team.   He is miles better than the dud Mohoje that  Meyer selected as a loosie.     Now you play the racist angle since you have noth ing else to fall back on.     

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Aug 2021, 19:21
#18
16 Aug 2021, 19:21#18
I'm sure it was just a moment of forgetfulness on Omlett's part but he somehow forgot the genius of Pat Lambie on a thread about great South African flyhalves.
Just thought I'd mention the glaring omission that I'm certain was unintentional . . . carry on boys.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2021, 20:35
#19
16 Aug 2021, 20:35#19
Good old omelette being stupid enough to question Kolisi when said player has been very good in his last 4 tests The same stupid prick who tells us how good and physical Kwagga has been What a fucking idiot
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Aug 2021, 21:55
#20
16 Aug 2021, 21:55#20
Kolisi had one good game. The third Lions test, it was nothing special, just good. Kolisi has been a total passenger, and the biggest dud of a leader I have seen at test level. Probably ever, in any sport. Has no presence on the field, so cries about being treated unfairly, because he can't assert himself like a grown man. Always hiding behind Eben and Thor. What's his production in his tests? Pretty much nothing. Most people here have woken up to this farce of a player. 

As per Mohoje? What does he have to do with Kolisi and José today? Absolutely nothing. Do keep in mind that Mohoje actually did his job under Meyer and had the best defensive stats under Coetzee you plonker. You can't defend Kolisi - typical plastic behaviour - so you divert attention. Next time, try not to take a sharp left into a lamp post, ja? There's a good boy. 



But who are we kidding? We need the Bok of the century Notshe. That right there is rugby wiz-dom. Ende. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2021, 22:18
#21
16 Aug 2021, 22:18#21

You attacked Erasmus viciously because of the Kolisi selection and captain appointment. on the basis of your fictional performance evaluation.  Both Kolisi and Mohobo  were loosies , the latter one seleted by Meyer.  As t be exoected from Meyer selections of 50% BS and 50% rugby geriatrics the election was a farce.

No need to - Kolisiis better as a loosie than other candidates and has priven it in many of the matches in 2019 and  2021.   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Aug 2021, 22:56
#22
16 Aug 2021, 22:56#22

Mohoje was selected in the absence of injured players. 2014, where Meyer gave no-hopers like Coetzee a shot at getting into the starting 15, but they flubbed. Mohoje was solid, and actually stood up to the All Blacks. You can't take that away from him. Kolisi couldn't even outplay Louw, who you called a hasbeen. Kolisi has no big test moments. What can we really point to in his career? He just doesn't measure up. We praise him for the third Lions test, but all he really did was the bare minimum of his actual role. That's how low he sets the bar. Kolisi is the greatest quota in Bok history. 

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