BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Dec 2014, 20:56#2
Two poor picks Seb! I mean saSUE!! Need I say more about saSUE.
BB talks a lot of sense but still needs guidance on certain matters. EG. - He thinks when 90% of our players are overseas we must not pick any of them.
GEgeneraltit
Pro3,164 posts
13 Dec 2014, 21:05#3
Sasue doesn't smoke...ask Cloudy. I gather Snapster takes a pull of the evil stuff...am I wrong Becs...
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Dec 2014, 22:04#4
Seb, although BB have some good ideas, I'm afraid his selections would be a disaster. I must say, that Carel Dup was the first Bok coach after Dok that could pick young nobodies that performed from the start. It is not that easy.
BIbiltongbek
Club Pro749 posts
BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
13 Dec 2014, 22:20#6
DBDraad, you are looking short term mate, I am looking way beyond that.
sharkbok
Captain23,286 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,286 posts
13 Dec 2014, 22:31#8
BB
How are you going to change the way we are thinking by this evolution?How can we become less conservative? Sounds more like a revolution than evolution, which can in itself be dogmatic and rigid.
Would it not be more prudent to identify the key weaknesses and strengths of our approach to rugby to set goals for improvement?
I am just about to role a joint while I think about your proposed evolution.. (It's deep man).
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Dec 2014, 23:03#10
BB, noble ideas, but the Boks are not the place to start. We need to try these things in Super Rugby first and obviously further down the ranks as well. You need players that are already confident in playing a certain style when the get to play for the Boks and Meyer has gone on record saying he requested as much from the Super coaches. These things take a lot of time though. There are no quick fixes.
sharkbok
Captain23,286 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,286 posts
13 Dec 2014, 23:10#11
I would start with the play making ability of the backline players, especially the centres. Many of our Super XV level centres get exposed each year in the SuperXV by players that can get their wings into the game in space more.
Our backline attack is too predictable other than counter attacking. This is because the handline skills is not good enough to create attacking options. This has effected the running lines of our backs because the passer can only make short accurate passes most of the time.
It is a chicken and egg situation. They dont want to go wide because of mistakes made due to poor handling and running lines. This is causing coaches and players to be conservative. The Stormers admitted earlier this year that the game plan to attack with the backline is only done on turnvers. If the passing would improve the supporting running lines would improve.
For a country ranked 2nd in the world, our backline playmaking ability is our primary weakness.
BIbiltongbek
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BIbiltongbekClub Pro749 posts
13 Dec 2014, 23:12#12
It is more than that Sharkbok, our forwards don't link with our backs and rarely offload, so they never shift the point of attack.
sharkbok
Captain23,286 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,286 posts
13 Dec 2014, 23:21#13
BB Handling skills should increase across the whole team, but I have started with what I believe is the number one weakness (backline centre play_.
Often our packs dominate at SuperXV level, but it is the skills of the backs that let them down each week. If some of our Super XV teams never had the rolling maul the would be lost more games than they do allready.
Our forwards are never going to allways dominate. We will not win the top games without forward domination. The All Blacks can get dominated but their backs are good enough at playmaking to win with less than 50% of possesion. This is because their backs have better handling skills, which allows more complex running lines.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Dec 2014, 23:26#14
We are too scared of making silly errors to try something out of the box. Stick with what we know to our detriment. ..sad but true, we need more balls.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2014, 23:48#16
The one part I agree with Biltong is our reflexive rejection of smaller players. Aplon was brilliant for the Stormers...he was way better than Kirchner.
14 Dec 2014, 00:05#17
No, Seb, Saffex doesn't smoke...... to my knowledge.
sharkbok
Captain23,286 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,286 posts
14 Dec 2014, 00:05#18
BB Is this not mistaking a symptom with a cause?Surely the scope of "when it is one and when it is not" is going to be redefined with better playing making ability - passing and running lines.
If their ball skills are below average even if they recognize when it is on, if they do not have the advanced passing skills to implement- it is not going to happen. Many of our most skilled players are the small ones, or players before they bulk up and lose their stepping ablity. one of the issues is SuperXV and tri-nations has backs that are pacific Islands heritage. They are big and skilled, so choosing too many small players will effect defence. Savea, Lomu and the Crusaders wing(125kg)
Still I would rather have a tackler like Kolbe giving 100% than some of the poor attempts like Morne and JJ.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Dec 2014, 18:04#23
Rubbish the issue is not lack of skill it's the conservative nature of our direction that does not empower our players to express themselves and play on instinct. The only player who is afforded this freedom is Willie.
Entrust all 23 to trust their instincts and play what's in front of them not suppressed by rigorous structures. Attacking space and not contact should be at the forefront.
Take Jan and Jessie Kriel for instance....they showed all the attacking skills in the world at Baby Bok level only to be reduced to contact seekers at the Bulls and under Meyer.
