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Bok Barometer April 23....steady as she goes

Started by Mozart26 REPLIES675 VIEWS· 24 Apr 2016, 22:42
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2016, 22:42
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24 Apr 2016, 22:42#1

Final team, taking into account the comments below, previous team selections in brackets:


Willie

Sergeal Petersen(Combrink)Mapoe (de Jongh)VenterUlengoJantjiesFafCharles Marais (Dylan Smith)Strauss(Marx)MalherbeEtzebethPSDTKrielKirsten(Coetzee)Whiteley The only change in the team from last week is Mapoe for de Jongh.
Combrink made his case but against weak opposition and so Sergeal  keeps it on cumulative performance
The centers were all awful. Venter was miserable, but so were Allende and ...Esterhuizen, so no change at 12. No 13 was credible, although JP was solid.
The halves pick themselves.
At loosehead Marais was less dominant and even penalized for scrumming in, but to me it looked more like the  Rebels' tighthead at fault. And no other looseheads did much, I thought Kebble  might, but really he didn't.
Nothing new really on the locks or loosies either.
So we have a stable, but unconvincing barometer. The Barometer reflects S15 form, with a modest amount of emphasis on recent games. Make your suggested changes and they will be incorporated in the first posting on the string if they appear to reflect a majority view. A new Barometer will be posted under a separate string each week. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Apr 2016, 22:56
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24 Apr 2016, 22:56#2
Combrink disqualified because the opposition "was weak!!!!!LMAO
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Apr 2016, 23:01
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24 Apr 2016, 23:01#3
de Jongh at 13.....no go....cant say he has impressed me. Mapoe has been the best with Jessie Kriel coming up trumps in his last two games.
Venter had an average game but that's his first average one. Esterhuizen was anything but poor, he had a good outing but for a fumble or two......great break with a beauty of an offload. Serfontein has also looked good in his last two games
I'd say our wings should be Combrink and Sergeal
Flyhalf and 9 are easy choices
Nyakane has been our best loosehead
Marcel v/d Merwe is pushing Malherbe close
Sadly Coetzee is gone for the season
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2016, 23:33
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24 Apr 2016, 23:33#4
Marcel Van Der Merwe has been slaughtered by every good prop he has faced. Against Marais he leaked 3 Penalties. That said Malherbe has been a damp squi b as well so I suppose bad could be closing in on mediocre?
The Esterhosen offload was a high pop over a defender...nothing special, and his charged clearance at the death almost cost the game....but he was better than in previous weeks  which isn't saying much. Step and Kriel have looked more energized...but Step still looks toothless and Kriel still misses a third of his tackles.
I have no problem with including  Combrink, but let's gauge the Board support. I will update this with Board comment by tomorrow evening.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Apr 2016, 23:35
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24 Apr 2016, 23:35#5
 Tokkie are you suggesting the Kings were strong opposition? If not explain yourself.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
25 Apr 2016, 01:40
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25 Apr 2016, 01:40#6
Mapoe over De Jongh
Mnisi and Mapoe were both decent and so was Rohan Janse van Rensburg when he came on
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Apr 2016, 02:33
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25 Apr 2016, 02:33#7
 Noted...let's wait for other comments.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
25 Apr 2016, 08:39
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25 Apr 2016, 08:39#8
 Sergeal Petersen impresses almost every week. 
Combrink should surely be a top contender for national honours.
Mapoe seems to be shutting Comrades mouth a tad. That in itself is certainly a blessing.
Kriel is a defensive liability ... he lacks insight and is as poor a midfielder as JJ was. 
Marcell is dead average at 3. There is nothing special about him. A good solid prop at super rugby level ... We're not looking for average. Ruan Dreier as well as Redlinghuys are both better tighthead props. 
Dylan Smith and Marais are running away from the rest of those competing for the Bok 1 jersey.

Trevor needs to up his game. He probably knows that he's a definite pick because of his skin colour and therefore doesn't have to put in his best effort.
Kirsten could be our answer at 7. 
       
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Apr 2016, 09:30
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25 Apr 2016, 09:30#9
NZHerald in their weekend's postmortem gave the forward of the week award to Jean Deysel .......... not a bad substitution that . Btw. Philip vd Walt was having a mighty game as well until injured . Guppies are definitely missing any try scoring smarts but their defence was outstanding.
Strauss has been very average. Put a mask on him this year and you wouldn't be able to tell him apart from any other average 2. Almost every other hooker in the completion has been better. Marx would be my pick but currently I'd take Skara(spelling) or Akker(poor thrower) over him. No mention of Koch? Kolisi deserves a spot too. He has been going from strength to strength and is looking mobile, strong and handling the ball well. Also getting to more rucks than most at WP. Him and Jaco Kriel could be devastating. Though Jaco has been slightly off the boil. 100% Agree on Sergeal too. Guy seems to tick every box. RG Snyman from the Bulls has outshone every other lock this year. Probably been the most impressive player for the bulls over all too, if not one of SA most impressive forwards. Looks hungry and talented. On current form...Combrink to replace Wille at Fb. Kolbe has too few possible areas of success for me. Like the comment at the weekend of seeing Wille play at 10 for the Sharks. Why not give it a go. The young mr Hall from the Kings looks a great future prospect at 9. Got a wicked accurate pass and looks at ease against better teams. Reinach, Van Zyl and Mr quota from the bulls have been extremely poor. Never ever ever De Jongh over Mapoe. Jantjies without question. Then, maybe Goosen? Du Plessis has seemed to step up to super rugby as though he's been there for years. We could do a great deal worse than him. Wonder if Goosen's been picking Mr Carter's brain. Overall, I think it's been a while since there have been so many good young players. There are names on top of names on top of names of young guys who look very impressive. It makes me happy. And a lot of those names are from players of colour. Maybe we are slowly moving "forward".
 There are a few names not mentioned that will come up this weekend again.   I think that Kriel is showing improvement and he may be better this weekend than he was in the initial matches. 
To my mind we have a dearth of wings and to use Combrink at full back is not acceptable.  There really is very little wrong with Le Roux at full back and that is where eh should stay. 

I am not sure about Goosen at 10 - in the last two games he played at 13 and was outstanding for Racing Metro.    Of the younger 10's I actually prefer Du Plessis to Jantjies, but agree he needs further time on Super Rugby to show what he is really up to.   He is a better reader of the game than Jantjies and is likely to be in the long run more effective.
The other player who is streets ahead of both Kriel and Kolisi in one aspect of loosie games, namely ball protection and recovery and on par with them in other aspects of loosie play, is Labuschagne.  He missed a large part of the tournament - but his latest game was another eye-opener and he is likely to be even better in future.   I think it is wise to see how he develops in future as well.
I like Snyman a lot - but at this stage my preferred lock combination remain Etzebeth and Du Toit.        
       
Sergeal Petersen - 18 tackles, 16 missed - wings at Test level are consistently bigger and faster. No thanks.
Last year's player of the year doesn't even get a mention? Faded in 2014 after a good start, sat out virtually the entire 2015 Super season and then produced a few very good games for the Boks only to fade late in the WC. The grind of the S18 wearing him out? Snyman, Mostert, PSDT all better.
Venter had a rough game defensively against Rebels, but prior to that was tackling at a rate over 80% for the season. Looks to offload - 16 on the season - something our other centers , including DeAllende, are not. Venter not a particularly explosive runner, De Allende with a better step, but he's an aggressive committed player that goes looking for work. Better than Serfontein/Odendaal. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
Do not be surprised if Marutlulle is Strauss' backup. Having a good season and probably the best "black" hooker right now.
For the real Bok team, bring back Vermuelen and move Whiteley to 7.



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