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Bok Rugby’s winners

Started by Mozart31 REPLIES988 VIEWS· 09 Jun 2023, 13:31
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jun 2023, 13:31
#1
09 Jun 2023, 13:31#1

There are some players who want the ball….the key characteristic of the great Michael Jordan. When the game was on the line he wanted the ball, nicely shown in the new movie Air. The recruiter points out the play-off winning play was planned, Jordan knew he was going to get the ball and his body language was totally relaxed.


So who do we have with that tendency?


I would say, firstly, the great Morne Steyn. If you had to make a 40 yard kick to save the universe, would you give it to any other player.


Next I would say Cheslin Kolbe. Again if you could give the ball to one player to beat three defenders and score a match winning try, Cheslin is the obvious pick. He just refuses to be tackled in space.


Then there’s Etzebeth. If you simply had to take a lineout to set up a winning ruck, I’d give it to Eben. His timing is impeccable and his hands are gold.


Finally there is the open field tackle….bringing down an opposing back when he is free to score. Aplon would be my man for that task, I don’t remember ever watching him miss a key open field tackle…guts and technique.


Going beyond South Africa, Du Pont, Kerevi, Sexton, Barrett are players who want the ball when the chips are down.


These are the kind of players who make the difference between winning and losing tests.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2023, 14:31
#2
09 Jun 2023, 14:31#2

"I would say, firstly, the great Morne Steyn. If you had to make a 40 yard kick to save the universe, would you give it to any other player."



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jun 2023, 15:36
#3
09 Jun 2023, 15:36#3

Is that a Tokvis?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jun 2023, 16:12
#4
09 Jun 2023, 16:12#4

 The worst SA FH  ever in the game - Morne Steyn won that by the proverbial mile bcuase his only ability was to kick at goal.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jun 2023, 16:42
#5
09 Jun 2023, 16:42#5

Not a good day for you Clever, better post your excuses in the tennis section.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jun 2023, 16:54
#6
09 Jun 2023, 16:54#6

The epitome of Steyn was the test in Perth in 2014.   He buggered up badly and that was what he normally did.      Alcaraz got injured in the first game in the third set and  that was the end of his ability to play - village idiot.  

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
09 Jun 2023, 17:39
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09 Jun 2023, 17:39#7

Joost. He is very much the Brett Favre of rugby. He isn't the most technically gifted, but tough, and rugged. He also had that lucky streak. If you had one man who could chip into a pool of players and come out with the ball for a key move, it was him. 

Mortlock is another. I lost count of how many times we had the game in the bag, and you just knew if he touched the bal l, it was all over. He was one of the great heart breakers of world rugby.

Others that stand out for me: Habana, Fourie, Du Preez, Matfield, Hooper, Larkham, Gregan. Players who just had a knack of making decisive contributions. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Jun 2023, 19:41
#8
09 Jun 2023, 19:41#8
I would definitely not include Aplon never rated him Morne to take a kick yes but that’s where it ends Habana was one for the list
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
09 Jun 2023, 21:26
#9
09 Jun 2023, 21:26#9

I would definitely not include Aplon never rated him

Who cares what you think? 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Jun 2023, 06:45
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10 Jun 2023, 06:45#10

Morné Steyn, the record breaking Bok with a higher try ratio than Butch, Pollard, Lambie, Goosen, Jantjies, Pretorius, Stranksky, Naas et al, with a career tackle percentage well over 80%, with numerous assists and big game moments. The most highly decorate and most successful Bok of all time. The second highest points per game ratio, only behind one other Bok, who had 25% of the tests of Morné. Only the fakest of "fans" criticise Morné. 

As per Aplon? You don't rate him, but you rate Arendse, Nokwe, Nkosi? You also give a pass to Damian, Steph, and Kolisi? You are a very flimsy opponent Saddex, you aren't even carp level. Any 77kg wing who can smash Nonu, Rocokoco, Muliaina, and So'oialo back from a standing position is no push-over. I like Kolbe, but he couldn't do that. Heck, most of our midfielders couldn't do that. Damian hasn't done it once in any of his tests, and I have documented his entire career! What a laughing stock you are! 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
10 Jun 2023, 10:45
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10 Jun 2023, 10:45#11
We should Rather think of the Bok winners we have now…..Willie Leroux with his exceptional linking play can cause havoc for any opposition….Canaan Moodie with his good air play, his speed as shown against OZ is a winner…..Arendse with is blistering speed, good defence, good linking player that can spot space…..AM with his consistency and amazing passing skills to put Runners in Space…..Cheslin needs no introduction as he is a sure winner….Mapimpi with his excellent finishing skills is a winner to….Pollard with his BMT is a man for the big moments…..Libbok might be new but great in distribution, seeing space and defence….Eben with his Freek strength and rock solid defence, the man always makes metres…Mostert can outlast almost any player, his rock solid defence, good linking player, try scorer when it matters most and last but not least, he is as tough as nails…Marx is maybe one of the best when it comes to turnovers and a Fetcher of note….Roos with his running game and very good of the back of the Scrum….Wiese is like a bulldozer always going forward….Elrigh louw strong, young positive, forward thinking player…Kwagga with his constant energy and great also at fetching….Frans Malherbe with his strength @ scrum time….there is few in the business that can anchor a scrum like him + his defence is solid…Ox has impressed from the beginning with his scrum work and general play + defence….Kitzie with the same attributes but with a BMT that is made for knockout Rugby…..Winners that can be added: Dan du plessis, Ruben van heerden, Ruan Venter and JD Sicherling.
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Jun 2023, 11:05
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10 Jun 2023, 11:05#12

Arendse and Moodie are D- rugby player who can run fast. Am was good until last season. Question marks hang over him. Libbok is a poor man's Goosen. Pollard hasn't bettered an opposition 10 since the Scotland test of 2018. Marx is a sub-Bismarck since 2019. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
10 Jun 2023, 11:28
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10 Jun 2023, 11:28#13
Ok DEUS, then please be so kind as to name players that are better and that can play now for us….Arendse is pretty much in the same Mold as Aplon , he is not better yet, but will be soon….his defence is almost just as good.
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Jun 2023, 14:05
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10 Jun 2023, 14:05#14

Arendse is one of the reasons our attack was the worst of the Erasputin era last season, and why the defence was statistically the closest to that of 2016. It was the worst season of Bok rugby since 2002. The only difference was that we faced all time bad opposition, but even then, we looked mediocre. Not one competent test in an entire season. So how then shall we give them a pass? Marx was the best player in the world in 2016, but since that time has regressed markedly. Bongi isn't going to win you turnovers, but does everything else much better and much more reliably! As for wings, we have Mapimpi and Kolbe, the rest are very limited runners of sub-par rugby ability. If you have a passive defence to run at, the likes of Arendse are good at padding out the stat sheet, they offer nothing else. Moodie is worse. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Jun 2023, 22:04
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10 Jun 2023, 22:04#15
Doos no one gives a flying fuck what an ignorant prick like you thinks about anything rugby related I don’t think a single poster on here actually ever agrees with anything you have to say The boards blue arsed fly
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
11 Jun 2023, 08:39
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11 Jun 2023, 08:39#16

I'm not a people pleaser Saddex. It's apparent that you have a mob mentality. Or at least a sense of group herd think at a primitive level. Not a thought leader among men, and too stuck in a box of limited ideas reinforced by pride. You never learn Saddex. I actually feel quite sorry for you. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
11 Jun 2023, 12:44
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11 Jun 2023, 12:44#17
Give me 15 Kwaggas and I'll never lose a game. He's right up their with RG for me. Long live The Hound.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jun 2023, 13:33
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12 Jun 2023, 13:33#18
Doos you seem to be of the opinion people respect your rugby points of view. The reason no one responds to you is because you speak so much utter shit when it comes to rugby So crowd pleaser or not you are the most ignorant rugby poster on here Added to that you are a boring twat
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jun 2023, 13:36
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12 Jun 2023, 13:36#19
It’s been a while since Kwagga had a impactful test When he first started he looked out of his depth, but to his credit he came good but of late has been less impactful
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
12 Jun 2023, 16:12
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12 Jun 2023, 16:12#20

He had one poor test, his debut. Every other performance has been excellent. He is the most consistent Bok, and holds the highest standard. Stop lying Saddex. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jun 2023, 20:09
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12 Jun 2023, 20:09#21
Doos as per usual you are speaking utter shit We don’t give a fuck what you think Facts are Kwagga was shit when he started, came good and of late has at best been solid Facts
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
12 Jun 2023, 20:32
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12 Jun 2023, 20:32#22

Those are not even close to being the facts. You keep harping on about what other people think, as if I care. I don't care about pleasing people, and I can certainly say that you don't speak for the rest of the board, or humanity! You are a pompous, molting old fool. With with a forked tongue. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jun 2023, 21:07
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12 Jun 2023, 21:07#23
Those are the facts Doos your takes are a load of shit You have not come up with one credible rugby take in all the time you have polluted this board You are a joke I don’t speak for the board, the board speaks for itself. No one responds to you other than me telling you what an ignorant prick you are? You are far too negative about virtually every player and your takes are so opposite to what anyone else thinks it’s just impossible to take you seriously It’s literally like you are watching a completely different game to everyone else I’m only entertaining you as the board is down on activity and stimulating Rugby debate I’m bored on here so am drawn to telling you what a stupid fool you are But don’t change you are a source of entertainment on here
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
12 Jun 2023, 22:11
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12 Jun 2023, 22:11#24

Negative? Because I don't are with your views? But you are positive when you denigrate the most successful players in Bok history, or their better coaches? You have been proven time and again to fabricate it all up. You have to be repeatedly corrected on the most basic of Bok trivia, and much worse on actual in game activity. I'll continue to call a spade a spade. That Erasputin's Boks couldn't excel against the worst RC opposition of all time speaks volumes for this mediocrity. I'll continue to correct your errancy and lies and put you back in your place. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jun 2023, 22:32
#25
12 Jun 2023, 22:32#25
Proven wrong by who you idiot - you? Fuck me you are a joke You are the most negative prick on here The most negative SA rugby supporter I have ever come across and the most ignorant I mean both sincerely
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
13 Jun 2023, 08:30
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13 Jun 2023, 08:30#26

Coming from you, that is very reassuring. I don't accept tripe, and I don't lie to defend rubbish, as you have done so often to support to mediocrity of Erasmus and the man who does the dirty work for him. The biggest sham in world rugby history, with the selection ability of Straeuli. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
13 Jun 2023, 14:27
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13 Jun 2023, 14:27#27

Plum 14 x Kwaggas and 1 x Mostert the unbeatable team.

DbD about that 40 yard kick yes I would pick Morne but some would select "Humper Elton".

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
13 Jun 2023, 15:37
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13 Jun 2023, 15:37#28

If we were in a 22 attacking situation, and we needed a 10 to send a bullet pass to get us into space, I'd select Morné ten times out of ten. He wasn't just a kicker, he was a lethal distributor. This was overlooked because of the obsession of a 10 to run at people. These lesser minded South Africans didn't understand that there was more to Carter, Larkham, Cooper et al than just running at people. It's very common for South Africans to overlook talent for a personality they like. The Fan favourites who have failed these past 23 years have always been a certain personality type. Usually passive types. I could list dozens of instances. Some of our best players have been booed by these pseudo fans. Monty, Pollard, Morné. Sad, isn't it? The most highly decorated Bok 10 who has tangibly better performance than those who were fan favourites is called by Dave useless, and even to the extent of apparently being 100 times less than Lambie et al. 100 times less. How does one arrive at that conclusion? Emotion over reality. Saddex is a very emotional fellow. He is supposedly a positive person. I don't think he was so positive about Straeuli, Jake, Snor, Meyer, Coetzee. The poor fellow has a knack for innately finding his way to a bit of an own goal 

MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
13 Jun 2023, 20:12
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13 Jun 2023, 20:12#29

Of overseas players Ma'a Nonu was the one I knew would bring a

difference for the ABs each time he played.Rock solid player.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
13 Jun 2023, 20:46
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13 Jun 2023, 20:46#30

He was rock solid, but that era of all blacks was characterised by overall efficiency. Accuracy in execution under pressure was their hallmark. In 2021, I saw the biggest cracks appear. They would cut us apart, but couldn't quite finish us off. I recall Wayne Smith talking about how they would train against real scenarios in training. Rehearse how to break down real systems. It reminds me of the peak of the New England Patriots under Bill Belichick. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Jun 2023, 22:32
#31
13 Jun 2023, 22:32#31
Doos I’m waiting for the DA evidence you lying prick
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Jun 2023, 08:42
#32
14 Jun 2023, 08:42#32

Looking forward to this year's rugby, one month to go



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