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Bok Team for 3rd test announced

Started by sharkbok22 REPLIES916 VIEWS· 12 Jul 2022, 11:51
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
12 Jul 2022, 11:51
#1
12 Jul 2022, 11:51#1

Springbok team to face Wales in Cape Town:
15 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 17 caps, 12 pts (1t, 2c, 1p)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulon) – 19 caps 18pts, 50pts (10t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 27 caps, 25 pts (5t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Wild Knights) – 59 caps, 35 pts (7t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 26 caps, 100 pts (20t)
10 – Handre Pollard (Leicester Tigers) – 61 caps, 613 pts (6t, 83c, 131p, 4d)
9 – Jaden Hendrikse (Cell C Sharks) – 3 caps, 5 pts (1t)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 12 caps, 0 pts
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz) – 59 caps, 25 pts (5t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 64 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Lood de Jager (Wild Knights) – 57 caps, 25 pts (5t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Cell C Sharks) – 99 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 47 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Cell C Sharks) – 49 caps, 50 pts (10t)
1 – Trevor Nyakane (Racing 92) – 55 caps, 5pts (1t)

Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 48 caps, 55 pts (11t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 60 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Vincent Koch (Wasps) 33 caps, 0 pts
19 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 52 caps, 5pts (1t)
20 – Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs) – 20 caps, 5 pts (1t)
21 – Elrigh Louw (Vodacom Bulls) – 1 cap, 0pts
22 – Faf de Klerk (Canon Eagles) – 37caps, 25pts (5t)
23 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 73 caps, 60 pts (12t)

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
12 Jul 2022, 11:55
#2
12 Jul 2022, 11:55#2

Good to see Hendrikse get a starting position. Faff was awful in the first test, and Hendrikse was one of the few good players last week.

No stating Marx is nonsensical

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
12 Jul 2022, 12:10
#3
12 Jul 2022, 12:10#3

Still a very experimental front row. Now Trev  is playing Loosehead again?!!! Where is OX, thought they would go with the brothers in having an quota front row to make it look good for the cameras. 

When  will Kitshoff, Marx and Malherbe ever get to play together? 

Another  6/2, getting  so tired of this. 

Just shows that there is no thought of using the backline at all

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Jul 2022, 13:40
#4
12 Jul 2022, 13:40#4

There's only one surviving debutant from experiment flop..........what does that say ?

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Jul 2022, 14:23
#5
12 Jul 2022, 14:23#5
"There's only one surviving debutant from experiment flop..........what does that say?"
I make it three . . . Pollard, Etzebeth and Pieter-Steph.
Why experiment with Nyakane at loosehead in a test match?
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
12 Jul 2022, 14:34
#6
12 Jul 2022, 14:34#6

Well, both Trevor and Thomas the tank were originally Looseheads but got retreaded  to play tight head. Not sure whether test rugby is the right place to do this. 

We have two or  three really decent sets already 

  1. Kitshoff, Marx, Malherbe
  2. Ox, Bongi,  Trevor 
  3. Du Tu Toit, Grobbler, Koch
  4. Muchuno? Dweba, Wilco Louw
I wonder  if  they are thinking of taking one less prop, so maybe 5 instead of 6 to the WC. So trying out trev and Thomas as swing props 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
12 Jul 2022, 14:36
#7
12 Jul 2022, 14:36#7

But one thing that pisses me off is that they can't get the combinations  right and swap players  in and out. 

Why do they persist with  Moster and Kwagga when  players like Roos should be riding the pine 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
12 Jul 2022, 14:44
#8
12 Jul 2022, 14:44#8

Roos got an ass plumbing. So it's back to the old ways. Your splingers will grind out an ugly win and you butt munchers will be inflated in the head again and back to being playing great running rugby and the best team of all time. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
12 Jul 2022, 14:53
#9
12 Jul 2022, 14:53#9
I thought Kwagga was good off the bench in the 1st test. He competes well at the breakdown. 
Without Marx on the pitch, the Boks have no recognised fetcher.

Nyakana in my opinion is a better loose head, than a tighthead. However, I think his best matches have been off the bench as an impact player. 
Jasper Wiese was one of the better Boks in the 1st test, so not much of a surprise to see him start. 
I would have had Ox in the squad, instead of Koch - who cocked up last week with the knock-on that ended any chance of the Boks winning

Esterhuizen broke his hand, so he is not in the squad. Wonder if Willemse will get a run at 12, if Willier Leroux is brought onto the pitch.Delande was solid, but not great in the 1st test. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jul 2022, 17:11
#10
12 Jul 2022, 17:11#10
Of the 15 Bok starters in the WC final…..2 aren’t available or retired (Beast and Vermeulen)…..2 have been dropped to the bench (Faf and Willie)…..and 11 are starting.
Of the 4 newbies….Willemse and Nyakane were Boks before the WC. Leaving Hendricks and Wiese as the only new Boks since the WC.
Harrassmiss has no apparent successors at wing, centre, flyhalf….he almost seems disinterested in those positions. So it will be skop en donder again on Saturday with no prospect that this will change before the WC. After the next Welsh test things get tougher and the likely hood of change dwindles.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jul 2022, 20:41
#11
12 Jul 2022, 20:41#11

Mozart

The team is selected b the COACHING STAFF abd theyhave liiked at the WC players who are all below 30 still - so why change them?

There has been some experimental teams played and that did not wotk out before and another one was tried.  There is a number of players from the 2 nd test that was sub-standard - Esterhuizen for example.   The players who did well will always be awarded and gradually included in the team..

I am not a reat fan of Wiese- he tend to  give away penalties being dumb - but another chance may see something better in him.    The other wrong selection was Mostert - he was totally useless in the second test - but despite poor performances some players like Le Roux, De Klerk and Mostert - the latter especially is a joke.    

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
12 Jul 2022, 21:41
#12
12 Jul 2022, 21:41#12

Wise had 1 penalty and de Jager 4. all forwards had 1 each in last game and only Mchu had double digits apart from de Jager.  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jul 2022, 22:09
#13
12 Jul 2022, 22:09#13
Bit of a slap in the face to Faf And it’s ridiculous that Kitshoff and Marx are not starting
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
12 Jul 2022, 22:44
#14
12 Jul 2022, 22:44#14

Well, quotas are a splingblock staple. Also makes refs afraid to penalise them despite them being total balls! 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2022, 10:55
#15
13 Jul 2022, 10:55#15

SB

I did not  know about Estehuizen breaking his hand and am sorry if he in fact di d.   However, he would not have made the squad for Saturday - as he was piss poor in the second test.

Kwagga played for virtually the whole second half as a loosie and did not make a single tackle in that capacity.  I fail to see his value as a  loosie  in the test - that being the case.    

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
13 Jul 2022, 12:18
#16
13 Jul 2022, 12:18#16

We're running dangerously skinny in the flyhalf position, with another WC in the not too distant future time is running out. If anything happens to Pollard it will be Goodnite Sarah for the Boks. The same thing was said prior to the last WC and still now there's no suitable replacement.

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
13 Jul 2022, 13:49
#17
13 Jul 2022, 13:49#17

"Bit of a slap in the face to Faf

And it’s ridiculous that Kitshoff and Marx are not startin"

Tend to agree.

Big improvement however but I would have put Willie to start rather than bench.

Roos too should not be excluded.


AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
13 Jul 2022, 17:02
#18
13 Jul 2022, 17:02#18

Never fear when all seems lost we still have a player who is a game changer, excellent place kicker, eye for the breaks and one almighty tackler.

Yes folks, we still have that one and only ELTON JANTJIES to save the Springboks.

Correct the same player who has perfected the suicide passes to his centers and must be included in the squad for the next WC at all costs.

Winner, winner and still the winner. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
13 Jul 2022, 17:11
#19
13 Jul 2022, 17:11#19

The Springbok team has to meet the ANC's "color code" start mandate besides having a "Kaptein of color".

Plus that singing leader of the Anthem and 60 minute passenger on the flank.

Oh and that trio of "warriors" who run on the field prior to the start of the game are supposed to do and represent exactly what?

Shame.





KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
13 Jul 2022, 17:42
#20
13 Jul 2022, 17:42#20

Another journo did  some analysis on the Springbok 1st half performances on all their games under RaNie and in almost all of the games the boks always trail at half time. 

Just wondering .... what happens after half time? 

The really front row and team comes on. IE,  Kolisi normally gets subbed at half time and can only play 50 min after wasting air on the field. In the past Louw use to come to the rescue. Then you have Kitshoff, Marx and Malherbe.

Oh who do they replace? 

Same can be said for other positions. 

Just putting it out there, on hand it works for Rassies KPIs but still nowhere near where we should be

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
13 Jul 2022, 18:22
#21
13 Jul 2022, 18:22#21

Always send in your best groups first, ie front row and back players and capitalise, if that does work, ie one or two are not performing on an off day then throw in the dice with your reserves to increase the odds, because simply if the individual or 2 is having an off day, the waiting in the wings players have a greater challenge to turn up. Use psychology, an vastly underemployed weapon in rugby.

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
13 Jul 2022, 18:45
#22
13 Jul 2022, 18:45#22

Always send in your best groups first, ie front row and back players and capitalise, if that does work, ie one or two are not performing on an off day then throw in the dice with your reserves to increase the odds, because simply if the individual or 2 is having an off day, the waiting in the wings players have a greater challenge to turn up. Use psychology, an vastly underemployed weapon in rugby.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
13 Jul 2022, 19:06
#23
13 Jul 2022, 19:06#23

Line up does not matter.

SA rugby's main trick is to take advantage of the world of rugby's biggest fear: that rugby collapses in SA, scealing for eternity that rugby in SA could not be something else but apartheid's thing.

SA rugby know this and keep testing WR patience, which runs thin overtime.

SA rugby's attitude so far has been to guess that moment and bring a change in the way they address the game, knowing quite well WR expresses the loss in patience by a determination to punish the multiple SA infringements happening during a game.

So here, the expectation toward the game is that it will be different from the first two games as SA rugby feel they might cross the lines if they keep pushing their luck with their repeated displays of lack of rugby.

Another point of interest is going to be the stands. WR has not appreciated the stands make up so far and it will be interesting to see if SA rugby manage to address the point.


As to WA, they sit in a dangerous sit. SA rugby, a rugby on the verge of collapse, can not digest losses as other losses. Awarding SA rugby  wins is mandatory to keep the delusion alive.

A streak of losses could be a lethal blow.

Rugby is a very political game and it is unclear whether WA rugby is ready to accept the consequences of another win in SA.

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