SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2023, 12:16#3
Great to see Moodie being given a run at 13
Don’t get why Mostert is starting at 5 when RG is twice the player and was great against Wales
Kwagga seems to have been ignored for a good few games now wonder if it’s a selection or injury thing?
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2023, 12:17#5
It’s a great great backline - so much attacking potential it’s scary
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
21 Aug 2023, 12:41#7
If DDA and Jessica are your first pick combo...why start them against a shitty Welsh side and then start AE and Moodie against the ABs????
21 Aug 2023, 12:42#8
?? ?? backline. Moodie will make meters and line breaks if he just runs lines off "The agent of chaos" AE.
He will be tested defensively but if he can handle what the ABs throw at him well then he's na'er a care after.
RG played a full 80 this weekend so im not surprised to see him off the bench this week and Rassie and Jacques do like their combos.
Same for Kriel and Duh Allende. They'll be starting against the Scots.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2023, 12:43#9
What the fuck is Mostert doing starting ahead of RG is the burning question
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2023, 14:26#11
Simple answer Moz - de Allende and to a lesser extent Kriel do not need to be tested so play them against the weaker Welsh
Esterhuizen and Moodie need to be tested - no better test than NZ
If they had played and done well against Wales it would have been because they faced a Welsh B side and little attention would have been paid
If they do well against NZ they become serious considerations
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
21 Aug 2023, 14:56#12
That makes zero sense, Saffex.
If one genuinely wanted to test AE/Moodie, who've never been paired previously, there is no way you do it against the best side in world.
No. You let the two of them play against Wales and run out your premier combo of DDA and Kriel versus the ABs.
I don't know about anyone else here but I always watch the games with family and friends...and every last fan I know has turned on DDA.
Not a single person that I know still wants him to be there.
In summary, I bloody hope AE and Moodie rip it up on Friday.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2023, 15:02#14
Well Plum everyone I know rates de Allende highly as I do so I’m not sure what your point is
It tells me your friends are as clueless as you are
If de Allende is as shit as you make him out to be then how the fuck does he make 3 different world sides of 2022?
Let’s ignore my take on him, how the fuck does he make those sides? Please explain this and don’t give me some lame excuse - give me a rugby reason why he made these 3 sides?
21 Aug 2023, 15:23#16
Very exiting backline but Agree that AE and Moodie is a bit new together to play the AB… the last time we played the all blacks our midfield was not good so maybe Rassie wants to surprise the AB throwing this combo at them…..I think Moodie might just be up for the challenge and I prefer AE at 12 in Anycase over DDA….why not throw AE 12 and DDA 13 at them? Can also be a potential Combo?
21 Aug 2023, 15:37#17
Pieter had a reasonably good game…yes he was supported by RG over the line, but had 2 defenders on him…for most of the game I thought his defending was solid and did well in the loose + his incept was good judgement….he is getting better and like Mostert he has a big engine.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2023, 15:41#19
PSDT had an outstanding game - the man has been in great form this season
PSDT is back to his best
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
21 Aug 2023, 15:59#21
Saffex...
On this board, I think DDA has 3 supporters left.
Saffex, Beeno and Mike.
Those are the only 3 people here, as far as I can tell, who still think DDA should be starting for the Boks.
Here are the people that don't support DDA...if I'm wrong please let me know...
Plum
Moz
Deus
Korn
Moon
Mpower
Draad
Xavi
Pakie
SharkBok
Rooi
Blo
Sader
Moolah
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2023, 16:26#22
I think you will find that Rooi supports DA but that’s not the point and nor are you answering my question
You would think I respect the rugby views of most of you on here??? Some like Doos are an absolute insult
How did DA make 3 world sides last season if he is sooooo shit?
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
21 Aug 2023, 17:04#26
Saffex, you are asking me to comment on what I think other people think. It's your go-to move when defending DDA.
All I can tell you is that, from my rough recollection of what people here have said in the past, you are in the minority in your support of DDA.
Sader...would you pick DDA over Andre Esterhuizen?
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
21 Aug 2023, 17:06#27
Anyway, the "best 12 in the game" only managed to assist with 1 try against Wales in a match that was a try fest.
And even that single assist needed a massive dollop of luck to turn into a try.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2023, 17:17#28
The other people are rugby pundits who make a living out of the game
Do you fucking honestly think 3 different pundits are going to select a crap player as their 12? Honestly
I only rely on these sources as they clearly make your name mud when it comes to DA.
Understanding his role within the side is clearly beyond your rugby comprehension and I don’t mean that as a dig it’s just a fact
If I was putting my case to a non rugby fan quoting 3 rugby pundits take on a player vs a few ignorant posters on a message board, who’s take do think is going to carry more weight?
It’s like that fucking ignorant Doos telling us Lood is kak when Matfield makes the call that he is the best 5 in the game and this stupid prick expects us to take his view’s seriously
Same applies to DA - I completely laugh at your takes and Esterhuizen against the AB’s on Friday will prove my point. He will play the same role DA always does
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
21 Aug 2023, 17:43#30
Lol same old same old.
As I said before, Saffex, you need to elaborate on why you think he is great.
If we can't see why he is great then we're the idiots. Nobody should be to explain why such a great is so great...he's just great. If you can't recognise greatness then you're a fool because greatness is obvious and only fools struggle to see it.
None of that holds any water.
So go on, end this debate once and for all and explain to all of us mouth-breathers what makes him so great.
21 Aug 2023, 18:12#31
The Rassie game plan fits DDA well and has made him look better than he actually is….why do you think Rassie is trying so many combos in the Midfield with Manie there? Because DDA does not enhance the attack minded game plan, rather the more Forward oriented game plan….just my opinion though: )
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2023, 23:26#34
Oh what pathetic attempts at trying to discredit rugby pundits
Fuck me you ignorant lot are so desperate that now even rugby pundits have no clue, it’s just copy and paste blah blah blah.
Fuck me King are you starting to turn as stupid as this lot
Let me guess Matfield also does not know what he is talking about - it’s all part of an agenda
Plum this is why I rate de Allende so highly - his biggest strength is his strength. He literally imposes himself physically like no other centre does. He has the same explosive power as the likes of Marx and Bismark.
He invariably always makes metres carrying in traffic setting up the next phase - it’s his primary job given space is at a premium in test rugby. Most of inside centre play takes place in traffic.
There is a reason test 12’s are physical - de Allende, Kerevi, Aki, Tuilangi , Danty etc .
DA is equipped to be creative when the opportunity presents itself as we have witnessed with some of his breaks
Defensively his power is an asset with him often man handling opposition players
The notion that test 12’s beat defenders by attacking space is a dream, lost in how the game was played decades ago.
DA plays to a plan that involves imposing himself physically which he does better than any other 12. It’s exactly what we will see Esterhuizen doing against NZ on Friday evening
As Will Greenwood said - you stop DA you stop the Boks
This is what those 3 pundits see, not the ignorant blindness you lot are cursed with
Fuck me, now even the pundits don’t know what they are talking about - but you clowns do
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 00:13#35
Saffex, nobody here disagrees with you in that what you describe is half of what a 12 is supposed to do.
But you keep pretending that what you posted above is all a 12 is responsible for.
I'm really not sure why you've bought into the idea that 12s are basically just supposed to be loose forwards playing with the backs for a bit.
I also notice that you make ZERO mention of any other skills that would normally be considered mandatory for an international level backline player...distribution, speed, support?
The guy has no pace. NONE. That's why he never runs good supporting lines. He simply can't keep up. He can never be relied upon to keep up with, or ever stay semi-near to any player that makes a break. It's actually laughable how slow he is.
You'll notice how PSDT kept up with Kriel on Saturday in case he was needed to finish the try...a try that started at the other end of the field. The man is a lock for god sake!!!???
Talking about DDA's "distribution" is like talking about the Diesel engines that Tesla produce. I'd love to see anyone argue that he's even a test competent distributor. I don't think there is one person on this board that would argue that.
So, you keep making your argument from the view that DDA is a muscle man in midfield and that's all that is required because apparently tests are just so tight.
Now, again...if we simply want a guy that is large and can plod forward a couple of meters before being dragged down, so slowly mind that it'll always be behind the advantage line, then why on earth aren't we, and indeed the rest of he world, simply playing natural loose forwards at 12?
Seriously?
What is the dividing line?
The dividing line is skill. You need hands and speed to be a good back line player.
DDA has neither of those.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 09:49#36
What utter rubbish he has good pace so much so that the Boks are happy to move him to 13 - you speak kak
DA has it all, a good step, good hands, eye for a gap when it presents itself, handy enough boot. The guy is the complete package
Schalk Brits interview says it all - DA is one of the most skilful players he has ever played with but people need to realise he is playing to a plan.
And that’s what I get about DA, most of his work is physical it’s the Bok way but he has the skill set to beat defenders in space and create for those around him.
Are the likes of Aki, Danty, Kerevi, Tuilagi ripping defences apart by attacking space - no they are not and that’s what you don’t get. You bang on about DA but can’t point me in the direction of a test 12 that does it your way whatever way that is
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 11:30#37
Dude...it's all talk and excuses.
Let's just deal with the pace thing.
Are you serious in that you think he had pace?
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 11:58#38
Yes he definitely has pace - check out his tribute video and tell me he has no pace - what utter crap - there is no way in hell he is slower than Esterhuizen, Aki, Tuilagi etc
He definitely has more than enough pace for a 12.
Do you honestly think Rassie would shift a slow player to 13 when need be
You just speak utter shit