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Bok Team Vs All Blacks ( Moodie at 13

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 12:41
#41
22 Aug 2023, 12:41#41

And here you go, VisKop...

When DDA receives the ball...note how only 3 Welsh players are relevant if he passes early...



Then Where he decides to kick the ball...notice how many Welsh defenders he's allowed back in. 


And then of course the massive luck required for it to become a try.

This is a 12 with both Speed and Brains...

Saffex, how many more times do I have to show what a bad decision-maker your boy is?

You can site gameplan if you want but an overlap is always an overlap...it doesn't matter what your gameplan is.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Aug 2023, 13:21
#42
22 Aug 2023, 13:21#42

Its really funny to see some oaks here trying to assess Allende, Du Toit and Rassie. I posted the Planet Rugby team based on that weeks' internationals. Allende got a mention for his fine performance. 

I told the oaks Kriel was a competent test center and they were selling him short. Guess who was proven correct!

Allende to is a competent test center being trashed by people who lack balanced judgement. The worst culprits are out two perennial DUDS Mozzzzzzzz and poor Deus. 

Du Toit made the Planet Rugby team but was of course trashed by the devious, pathological Mozzzzquito!

Quite rightly Dave points to various rugby pundits and players etc who rate Allende. But these people are all stupid opines poor Deus. Bwahahahahahahahahha hilarious nonsense from the buffoon.  This Card says that the Boks have a glass jaw and a soft underbelly. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha 

So we reach the point were Mozzzz and Deus are so unhinged about Du Toit, Allende and Rassie that they hope the Boks don't make it out of the pool. That is their dream. They reckon that will reverse years of EGG landing. 

Of course if we do get out of the pool stage s but lose then they will trash the Boks. But even if we win they will still trash Rassie, Du Toit and Allende. It will be because we had an easy path. or its because we didn't face the wee abs in the final or some other nonsense. We have seen it all before.

Again my challenge to the board. The Boks won, Team of the year, Coach of the year and Player of the year plus Allende received high praise  - all per the last RWC. The two DUDS trashed the Team, the coach, Du Toit and Allende. HAS THERE EVER BEEN A DISPLAY OF SUCH GIGANTIC LACK OF RUGBY JUGEMENT EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN EVER.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 14:47
#43
22 Aug 2023, 14:47#43
Beeno, I have been trashing DDA for years. I do give him credit when he does something good though. It's just not very often. AE is his master in every facet.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 17:32
#44
22 Aug 2023, 17:32#44
Ah the kick that lead to a try Really bad decision - fucking joke Had he passed there was no try, the fact he kicked deep and his team mates pressurised he created an opportunity to score What happened they scored thanks to the pressure created in the scoring zone
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 17:48
#45
22 Aug 2023, 17:48#45
I posted 2 pics there...one when he got the ball and the other when he kicked it... Now... Can you confirm that it is your belief that in that situation DDA took the correct decision?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 17:55
#46
22 Aug 2023, 17:55#46
Yes correct decision for had he passed the defence had us covered His kicked created an opportunity and the result was what…….? His kick took us into the scoring zone, where we created pressure, pressure results in mistakes, mistakes lead to tries It’s that simple
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Aug 2023, 18:18
#47
22 Aug 2023, 18:18#47
Seeing the pics I think plum means had he passed earlier it would have also been a try compared to the kick in there end zone that could have been easily fielded by the Welsh cover players? Meaning no try.
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
22 Aug 2023, 18:31
#48
22 Aug 2023, 18:31#48

What Saddex can't compute is that in a top level test, the opportunity isn't only lost, but no try results from a kick. Damian is the kind of player, like Lood and Steph, who turn those fine margins against you. We don't have many players at our core who are intelligent and skillful enough to make those top level moments work in our favour. If I had to splice clips man for man, over the past five years, I'd have maybe 2 minutes of footage. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 18:36
#49
22 Aug 2023, 18:36#49
Mpower - Bullshit had the pass been made no try would have been scored as there were 3 Welsh defenders covering The kick created an opportunity and a try Doos you dumb fucking Cunt - a try was scored Idiot
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Aug 2023, 18:39
#50
22 Aug 2023, 18:39#50

I said the biggest blunders ever!!



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Aug 2023, 18:41
#51
22 Aug 2023, 18:41#51

Plum Allende, regardless of how good Esterhuizen is, remains a test class center.

But leave him out of the equation. Still the biggest blunders and they were made by the two DUDS!!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 18:56
#52
22 Aug 2023, 18:56#52
Saffex...which one do you put money on... A) Pass to Cheslin and score, or... B) "His kick took us into the scoring zone, where we created pressure, pressure results in mistakes, mistakes lead to tries" Any school kid rugby player will tell you that you run directly at the defensive player(at the top of the screen in pic one), draw him, and pass to Cheslin who runs in an easy try. You don't need to take all those chances that DDA ended up taking to score the extremely lucky try that eventually required someone dropping the ball. Now, let's not pretend that one should not kick in behind opposition when there is space and when you don't already have decent chance of scoring without ever giving away possession of the ball to the opposition. Of course you should kick then...but this was not the correct option in this instance. 13 was my main position at school and if a 12 did that shit to me, you better know we'd be having words after...and the entire locker room would be on my side. It's a no brained and actually has me questioning your acumen. This is not rocket science, it's basic attacking rugby.
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:03
#53
22 Aug 2023, 19:03#53


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kingcornPro3,695 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:04
#54
22 Aug 2023, 19:04#54

https://youtu.be/XLodaE1tkvo

Moodie playing 13



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MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:05
#55
22 Aug 2023, 19:05#55
When DDA gets the ball, besides the 3 defenders in front of him, you also have two more red players running at full tilt 6 and another number….they and some other players catch up with him and that is when he makes the decision to kick…. What he could of done Is run in between the two black dots , pull those 2 players…off load to Kriel which puts the burners on and besides Kriel he had hyper Drive Cheslin next to him….2 on 1 players for the Boks…his kick also worked, but could have gone differently if the Welsh Cover players fielded better….regardless the try was scored…but I find it very interesting to discuss these Field positioning and possible outcomes.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:11
#56
22 Aug 2023, 19:11#56
A pass to Kolbe does not result in a try unless Kolbe creates his own individual magic There is enough Welsh cover to negate any overlap So the kick is a good option and from it we score - case closed The Welshman made a mistake thanks to pressure being exerted on him I played 12 so I know exactly what’s going on here
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:20
#57
22 Aug 2023, 19:20#57
Moodie looks perfectly equipped for 13 The lad glides and has a good rugby brain - looks a real candidate to be our next test 13 Needs to add some muscle to that tall frame to be the finished article at 13 He is 90kg now - 96kg would be perfect
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:25
#58
22 Aug 2023, 19:25#58
Moodie has got talent and playing a top AB midfield will sure put him to the test….hope he can maintain.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:29
#59
22 Aug 2023, 19:29#59
Ok, apparently i have to draw pictures...
1) What any normal attacking rugby attacking brain wants to do...DDA gets into the right position...


In what universe does this picture not describe exactly what he should be doing???????????????????
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:32
#60
22 Aug 2023, 19:32#60
What part of covering defenders do you not fucking get? Geez are you stupid?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:32
#61
22 Aug 2023, 19:32#61
On Moodie “At school I played 13 and quite loved playing there. Obviously it’s different to wing because you’re closer to the ball, carry it more and are more involved in defence. That’s what I love as a player but I got my opportunity at wing so no matter where I play the most important thing for me is to get on the field.” At 1.92 and 94kg, the scary thing is the lanky Moodie will get bigger. While he hopes he won’t get taller, he would like to fill out more without compromising his deceptive speed. “Too much weight at once is not good because you lose speed and other things. It’s going to be a slow transition in terms of picking up more weight, becoming better conditioned, stronger and faster.”
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:39
#62
22 Aug 2023, 19:39#62

A pass to Kolbe does not result in a try unless Kolbe creates his own individual magic

No, DDA has drawn the defender leaving only two defenders with Willie and Kriel supporting Cheslin.

There is enough Welsh cover to negate any overlap

No, there are only 2 defenders left and 3 Boks...not 4 because DDA isn't fast enough to keep up with play

So the kick is a good option and from it we score - case closed

Sure, gamble your mortgage money and on the one occasion that you win you can say it was the right decision....not sure what you say the rest of the time. Probably that pundits said gambling your mortgage money is a great idea so it must be the perfect decision.

The Welshman made a mistake thanks to pressure being exerted on him

Yes - how does that improve your argument versus putting pressure on them while having the ball in your hand???

I played 12 so I know exactly what’s going on here

Lol okay

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:45
#63
22 Aug 2023, 19:45#63
Bullshit Willie is way behind, you pass to him and and everything goes flat
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 19:56
#64
22 Aug 2023, 19:56#64

You know what, fuck this...I'm sick of you getting all insulting and petulant when you are obviously wrong about something.

Explain to me exactly how the two cover defenders are going to shut out Cheslin, Willie and Kriel....coming in from an angle and from behind?

I won't let this go.

I'm stupid cool...show me exactly why!!!???

Here is my drawing...of your obviously bullshit idea of cover defense in this scenario...



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 20:02
#65
22 Aug 2023, 20:02#65

That fact you don't actually see this when you are watching the game is what gets me.

I do finally understand why you rate DDA so highly while nobody else here does.

It's because you pretend to understand a lot more than you...

Closing the loop on why you weirdly rely so heavily on "pundits" to give you your ideas.

Use your own brain for once!!! I promise it can be rewarding!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 20:09
#66
22 Aug 2023, 20:09#66
Ah fuck off you ignorant prick you paint stupid little pictures which fall flat as they scream inaccuracies You are fucking rugby ignorant with a pathetic anti DA - the same player that made 3 world sides last year More than anything, this very fact tells me you know fuck all as no one can possibly be that fucking stupid that they would believe 3 different sources would select a slow, talentless player as their best 12 in the game that year Seriously and you want me to take your pathetic angle on the try DA sets up Your anti DA is just fucking childish Just fuck off you boring twat Dann right I’ll rely on pundits as they back my take on a player - I’m certainly not going to take an ignorant twat like you seriously I know for a fact I know my rugby, my take on players is mine - backed up by professional pundits or the words of players themselves
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
22 Aug 2023, 20:17
#67
22 Aug 2023, 20:17#67

Plum, it is beneath you to engage in civil discourse with an ape. Let the ape alone to bang its rocks together in a gaudy manner. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 20:21
#68
22 Aug 2023, 20:21#68
Fuck off you ignorant cunt
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 20:34
#69
22 Aug 2023, 20:34#69

Saffex, is this all you got then...

I present clear arguments to you and all you can respond with is...

"Ah fuck off you ignorant prick you paint stupid little pictures which fall flat as they scream inaccuracies

You are fucking rugby ignorant with a pathetic anti DA - the same player that made 3 world sides last year

More than anything, this very fact tells me you know fuck all as no one can possibly be that fucking stupid that they would believe 3 different sources would select a slow, talentless player as their best 12 in the game that year

Seriously and you want me to take your pathetic angle on the try DA sets up

Your anti DA is just fucking childish

Just fuck off you boring twat

Dann right I’ll rely on pundits as they back my take on a player - I’m certainly not going to take an ignorant twat like you seriously

I know for a fact I know my rugby, my take on players is mine - backed up by professional pundits or the words of players themselves"

At no point do you logically, or coherently, engage the points...you simply ramble off some garbage sports jargon like "cover defense" and "apply pressure" and expect everyone to fall to their knees in admiration of your genius.

Truth is Saffex, you do have some decent takes, but you sure do have a small man problem.

No, well what do you call it when someone fails to address a point with and sense and reverts to reams of name-calling?







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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 20:43
#70
22 Aug 2023, 20:43#70
Who the fuck do you think you are that you claim to have presented me with a clear argument - says who - you? What part of my counter do you not get huh? Pass to Kolbe does not automatically result in a try - there are Welsh defenders. Willie is out the equation What part of this did you not read huh?? So don’t give me your shit that I have no answer You started the shit by saying you needed to draw pictures for me - you can fuck right off Your takes on DA is just childish biased shit and nothing you say about him is going to change my opinion on him, the same opinion that has Rassie select him since he started the post and 3 pundits select him for their world sides And you want me to take your point of view on him - who the fuck are you? Small man at 6ft and 105kg - ja ok
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Aug 2023, 20:51
#71
22 Aug 2023, 20:51#71
Whatever man. I clearly did need to draw pictures for you. ...because you still can't see the extremely obvious.
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
22 Aug 2023, 21:04
#72
22 Aug 2023, 21:04#72

Plum, good analysis, but I think on this one Dud couldn’t get his pass because of a defender in his passing channel. So went for territory rather than a 50 / 50 pass. 

Perhaps a player like Willemse would have stepped inside or straitened the line. 

Anyway, back to Moodie, not sure if it will be too soon to pick hi at 13 against the All Blacks, but a young Jacque Fourie also moved from 15 to 13 during the 2003 World Cup. The rest as they say is history. 

The kid has prove. He has the mental strength. 

Looking forward to watching this game at Twickers on Friday. Who’s got tickets?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Aug 2023, 21:16
#73
22 Aug 2023, 21:16#73
Obvious to a biased prick like you As I said, who the fuck are you
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Aug 2023, 05:03
#74
23 Aug 2023, 05:03#74
I think if he heads straight to that defender he forces the tackle and makes an easy pass to Cheslin. Moodie at the ripe age of "barely got facial hair" could be counted on to make such a play and complete that pass, ten times out of ten. DDA struggles with basics.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 Aug 2023, 05:50
#75
23 Aug 2023, 05:50#75

ABs team named later today ...... rumour has it that its their top team.

Twickers Fri nite sold out 82000

 England's game on Sat sales 40000

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Aug 2023, 06:26
#76
23 Aug 2023, 06:26#76
Saffex, how fat do you feel today?
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
23 Aug 2023, 07:11
#77
23 Aug 2023, 07:11#77

Yeah, should be a great game. Wonder if the boks will play to win. We can’t rely on Manie to create score board pressure, but so we have an 85% kicker in the team? 

Don’t get it why these guys are struggling. Willemse was a flyhalf, Faf was a flyhalf at school. Why can’t they kid their kicks over. 

Just watched a highlight real of Pollard. What a player, think Libbok still has a long way to go

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
23 Aug 2023, 08:01
#78
23 Aug 2023, 08:01#78
Libbok does have a long way but on the other hand how this guy sets up space with his bullet passes and his kicking in general is impressive….pole kicking is a great concern yes.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Aug 2023, 08:08
#79
23 Aug 2023, 08:08#79
Plum how stupid do you feel today?
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Aug 2023, 10:19
#80
23 Aug 2023, 10:19#80
Lol tell me again how Willie wouldn't be involved... Then I'll tell you how stupid I feel
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