Bok Team vs All Blacks

I think we can all agree that the loose trio was poor, that the backline was unsuccessful. Many of these selections were easily foreseeable. How should we change the starting XV? I personally want du Toit back at lock. Kolisi is a necessary evil unfortunately, which hinders our options. I wouldn't mind seeing what Mostert could do at 7. Or maybe Van Staden. So that means Whiteley at 8 and Kolisi at 6. Pollard back at 10, Esterhuizen back at 12. I prefer Am over Kriel. Marx at 2.

1. Kitshoff
2. Marx
3. Malherbe 
4. Eben
5. Du Toit
6. Kolisi (c) 
7. Van Staden
8. Whiteley 
9. Faf
10. Pollard
11. Dyantyi 
12. Esterhuizen 
13. Am
14. Kriel
15. Willie 

What are your key changes? 

A poor backline from a defensive perspective - I don't think the centers will fly especially,   

I am surprised at Louw not being your top loosie - what will Mozart say about that?  After I typed this I noted that both have run like cowards after telling us all for weeks we are all idiots and Louw was so wonderful,   Are you not ashamed of yourself,

I see he supported you basically bar his idiotic pet hates,     

I like Snyman too, but I also thought Steph played well against the Pumas, when at lock. Kriel outside Esterhuizen is definitely an option, but I prefer Kriel on the wing to Kolbe. 

I'm iffy about Malherbe. I don't really trust any of our tight heads. 

What will Moz say? Nothing. 

The centres look much better defensively. Damian had his chance and he blew last Saturday. Just like all the other tests. Am is a better defender than Kriel, though Kriel is more active offensively. Even if the centres aren't enough, it's the best we have at hand right now. 

I read it and my summary is 100% correct.  After claiming for weeks we are all idiots for not supporting the selection of Louw and producing fake match reports to support Louw- suddenly the turnaround,   

The best  thing you two morons can do is to apologize to thinking site members for the havoc you caused on site.

I read it and my summary is 100% correct.  After claiming for weeks we are all idiots for not supporting the selection of Louw and producing fake match reports to support Louw- suddenly the turnaround,   

The best  thing you two morons can do is to apologize to thinking site members for the havoc you caused on site.

Havoc? You haven't been taking your medication Lüg. You sound unhinged, like Kathy Bates' character in Misery.

Had Kolisi not been the chief quota, I'd have selected Louw. It's a waste of time even pretending like we could. So, to work around him, I have selected Van Staden at 7 and retained Whiteley at 8. Louw 8s not an 8 or a 7, just like Kolisi. 

Do you care to apologise for your fanciful tall tale?  

@Mozart: That is an interesting point about Steph. Snyman does have some niggle to his game. It's usually that combative quality which overcomes the All Blacks. I'm starting to lean more that way. I may change my selection. 

After the EOYT we could be reflecting on ten (or more ) defeats this year

I predicted that Rassie would preserve Esterhuizen and Am for the AB game...clearly he rates them the best centre combination...there are a few here who don't agree but I'm glad this has happened at least it will prove something...yes we won't win and nothing is going to happen dramatically overnight but what irritates true rugby lovers is that we are notoriously impatient and don't give any good coach a chance over time (and I'm not talking about AC and PDV) they were political pawns. I think Rassie deserves at least a chance. The rest of the team is better...the lock pairing and starting hooker. This is not the end of the beginning, neither is it the beginning of the end...the road is long and experimentation and patience is the only way to build.

I'd like to think so, but I don't trust Rassie. I've never trusted him. Does he have the longevity for the position? Or will be bail? Hopefully not the latter.

We do need patience though, the rebuild isn't going to happen overnight without a coach like Jake at the helm. So long as it's apparent Rassie is moving forward. Perhaps he was trying out some ideas against the Wallaroos. It'll certainly be interesting to see where Rassie goes with all of this. 

Whenever Mozart comes up with "swan necked Stephanie"  we know that his brain function has been taken over by shit and he cannot ever think logically.   Not that the moron has that ability ever.

By the way he refers to a match where his top favourites Morne and De Jongh played and made a total F#ck up of  defense so we must know that he has become a total lunatic.

As for Monsieur Merde we know exactly what to expect from that serial BSter and deceiver by now.   Remember the claim that Louw was the best player in the first Argentine test and how he was supported by Pakie and the despicable  Mozart.   Now I am accused of lying by a serial liar.

A logical discussion with the morons is totally impossible,

Careful Clever Mike, there is never a need for personal attacks! 

PS: I rated Eben MOM and the best Bok of the first test. 

And how about wh at you wrote about Louw, Monsieur?  

Van Staden is a better option at 6 than Kolisi. If you insist on keeping the quota then rather play him at 7 where he can do less harm.

Malherbe is a better scrummager than Louw.

I would have liked to see Akker given a run against the All Blacks with Marx on the bench. Bongi is useless as we saw.

I too would prefer Snyman at 5.

Our midfield is a mess. None of them should be in the mix. I would however prefer De Allende over the even more useless Esterhuizen. Am is a no go zone. Rather leave the 13 jersey still wrapped in plastic back in the locker room.

I would replace the bumbling Willie with the midget and hope he doesn't get hurt.

1. Marx
2. Malherbe 
3. Eben
4. SNYMAN
5. VAN STADEN
6. DU TOIT
7. Whiteley 
8. Faf
9. Pollard
10. Dyantyi 
11. Esterhuizen 
12. ALLENDE
13. Kriel
14. Willie

Organhuffer your remarks about not trusting Rassie are uncalled for. Great coach but trying environment.

No more facile criticisms of Rassie please! Let the guy have a chance to put i t together as best he can under the circumstances.

Beeno

Your numbering above is confusing.   Please correct same,   

Beware of Mozart's BS - he is so prejudiced his thinking ability got lost in the process.   

In essence I agree with you - but Kolisi will be selected,  I would make the loosies the following:-

6   Van Staden, 7  Kolisi, 8 Du Toit.

Whereas to my mind it is unlikely that Vermeulen would make the WC next year I think we need to develop a new 8 and I think that is where we should develop a new player.   We should change the 7 to a merit selection in future - there is nobody really good enough in the present squad.

ou maaaik i have no intention of selecting any side other than a merit based side. Whiteley captains the side i selected.

Pick a tough pack and give em hell! Two centers to tackle like crazy and a more substantial wing to bolster a physically deficient back three.Would li ke to se Dyamani brought in as a wing prospect

Have your usual rants and insults to those who dare to differ and degrading of players by all means as this seems to be the unchanging order of the day but it would make more sense after the game than before...but maybe, just maybe it well might be the right track and be prepared to eat crow.

No, we won't win that's for sure...the AB's are too good and steps ahead but we might still show heaps of improvement against the real standard set by these formidable opponents...thanks Cloudy for giving us some encouragement. We are the handicapped opponent but sheer character and commitment might come through to show up some things that were wrong...I sincerely hope so because what has been happening in the last couple of games shows no light at the end of the tunnel at all. We got to experiment at all costs...fortune belongs to the bold, not those who cannot take calculated risk.

Our back 3 haven't been our problem Beeno. In fact, they've saved our bacon quite a number of times. 

So the consensus is that we need Van Staden at 6 and Kolisi at 7. It could work. If we play a little differently. If we play to their strengths we will try and space the defenders out. If we turn it into a compact grind, players like Kolisi disappear. We must speed up our attack, because it's far too predictable right now. Rassie has been using all kinds of gimmicks and they haven't been working. 

We have speed and we should use it. I suspect Kolbe will be wing. Even if it's Kriel we still have speed. 

As for Malherbe. I'm not so sure. He never strikes me as great scrummager. He is okay around the field, without doing much of note. His work rate is very low. 

AO

Enough said - Malherbe made 13 tackles missing none in the Aussie test - is that not happening outside of scrumming,    So as per normal you saw nothing you do not want to see, 

And as to the loosies being up to standard - coming from a Louw admirer - it is a farce.   Have fun and think before  writing prejudiced junk on site,  

AO

Enough said - Malherbe made 13 tackles missing none in the Aussie test - is that not happening outside of scrumming,    So as per normal you saw nothing you do not want to see, 

And as to the loosies being up to standard - coming from a Louw admirer - it is a farce.   Have fun and think before  writing prejudiced junk on site,  

How many tackles did he make head-on? He did make some good support tackles. A couple helped Damian have a few more successful tackles on ESPN when Malherbe brought the opponent to ground! 

However, what else does he bring? 

More ball carries and ball protection than Wilco ever did.   However, you are so delusional that you claim defense is not a problem and then you support Esterhuizen and Am even though they really failed in that regard.

I gave the stats on what happened in the tests that Esterhuizen played in and it looks bad - very bad.   The fact is that you are so prejudiced you missed out on reality big time.    

Well, Esterhuizen has made successful tackles. Damian has yet to land an authorative one. He needs a secondary tackler to add stopping power. Damian is a very weak defender. Esterhuizen has yet to be surpassed by Damian. 

The fact is that I blew apart your idol when I looked at his best game of the year. No prejudice. I listed everything he did and the outcome. Predictably, your primary defence was to get personal. You lose your composure very easily. Some would say immediately. It's always too easy. 

Augie you notice beendorks predilection for the term"organ huffing "?

He doesnt mean the one at his church either ,poor wee beandick he cant quite get the closet door open all the way .

I noticed Wardad. These are trivial things. Those on the Lügnerin side of the divide rely on hurting people's feelings with big mean words. It's water off a ducks back to me.

As per closet issues?

The danger is that even when the All Blacks are being dominated, they can still strike. Not to diminish the All Black attack, because it's no trivial thing, but defence is so poor in the SH that there appears to be no containment whatsoever. It exacerbates the threat pose by die Schwarzwelle. New Zealand are good for 4 tries. The Boks may get 2 if they are on their game. The current game style is not effective against New Zealand. 

Marx, Louw, Kitshoff

Snyman, PSDT

JLDP, Eben(8), DDP

Faf, Pollard, Kwagga, Dayimani

Ismael, Willie, Dyanti

How's that for a crazy team full of bad ideas?

This is what Bok fans are reduced to. 

I might start watching WWE.

Eben at 8? It's so crazy it'd probably work. Watching Whiteley get run over a few times was a little disconcerting. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as he has been solid until Saturday. 

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This is the probable team listed on Sports24... The utility Jessica Kriel has left the kitchen to play on the wing...

15 Willie le Roux, 

14 Jesse Kriel, 

13 Lukhanyo Am, 

12 Damian de Allende, 

11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 

10 Handre Pollard, 

9 Faf de Klerk, 

8 Warren Whiteley, 

7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 

6 Siya Kolisi (captain), 

5 Franco Mostert, 

4 Eben Etzebeth, 

3 Frans Malherbe, 

2 Malcolm Marx, 

1 Steven Kitshoff

Mostly our best team. Kriel will in all likelihood be better on the wing than at 13.

Mozart is the habitual liar as per normal.   Thin shoulders and wrists and a long neck is what the habitual liar said about Du Toit previously,    It was proved that he lied when he  wrote that  - but a liar cannot be cured - he had to invent a variation based on what he wrote before.

It really is hilarious - the man is so deluded and prejudiced - he constantly have to come up with BS like that in his latest statement.  Thinking is beyond him  and the only tripe he can come up with is clearly BS.