Boks best rugby side ever

Jamie Roberts called the current incarnation of South Africa "the best rugby team to have ever played the game"

Everyone has sure quickly forgotten the All Blacks 2010-2016. Two Rugby Championship clean sweeps in a row 2012 & 2013. 22 Game streak without a loss 2013/14.

Winning percentages

2010 - 92%
2011 - 83%
2012 - 85% (1 loss, 1 draw)
2013 - 100%
2014 - 85% (1 loss, 1 draw)
2015 - 91%
2016 - 92%

The Boks are no doubt the best side around currently. All time, still a stretch.

Being honest. Another thought.

With the superb Mostert back and our lineouts working like clockwork, I’m okay with best tight forwards of of the last 10 years.

Well it must be a fact after beating the rugby powerhouse of fuckin Wales.

If beating Scotland, a crappy England and Wales (notice none of the top teams in Ireland or France) on an EOYT makes you the best rugby team in the world ever there is a new best team ever every couple of years. C ome on who believes that makes you the best team ever.

Sure Boks are the best team at the moment but if beating 2 minnows and a shit Pommy team makes you the best ever then based on that the ABs would of been the best team ever if we hadn't lost by a point to France and we are nowhere near being the best team ever but according to these clowns we were 2 points of achieving it. 

"AUTUMN NATIONS SERIES: JAMIE ROBERTS SAYS SOUTH AFRICA 'BEST RUGBY TEAM TO HAVE EVER PLAYED' AFTER WALES DEMOLITION"

Um its right there at the front of your post so I guess that makes you profoundly thick then

I stopped reading that article after Roberts says Wales are ‘marred’ in crisis…rather than ‘mired’ in crisis. Thick as a brick.

I'll wait til after our 2 tests in NZ next year..

Pakie

So the AB stats are given for the period 2009 to 2016 when SA had shit as coaches that could not beat the Witgatwortelfontein  B team - leave alone the  AB's. 

As to the 2014 loss by he AB's  it was caused partly by scoring of two tries by Pollard in the first test he played for the Sprigboks - while in other years magnificent Morne gave away losss to the Ab's as special achievements,   

The level of Meyer's record from November 2014 to September 2015 was 9 tests played 7 lost.

What I m driving at was  that traditioanlly the Springbok was competitive in tests  against the AB's, but in the peiod indicated that there were no competitive teams against the AB's. so he stats on winning against sub-standard opposition is not the only aspct to count.   

Great teams win against sronger and higher ranked ems than they are and pure [ecentages does not indicate anything hen opposing teams are weak and purely coached,   New Zealand has not done what they did in their glory years  becase nowadys theyeat eams that is sronger and ebter coache than in the yearsyou chose to cover.

Manpower has it amiss as well  - in 2025 SA two away matches are playing the AB/s in NZ and the two  home maches are against Ausralia with and away match agaainst Argentina.   But my money is on beating the AB's in those two matches,   In the laat 5 tests  that SA beat new Zeland in a row  two were not  home matches.   The November est series did not cnvince me hat the AB's s actually on the up  and 1 loss against Argentina at home was also not convincing me either,     I think there is a variety of reasons why he AB's have some problems and that is why I do not have enough players coming hough for test seleetion - they do not meet competitive teams in the Pacific Supe Rugby series  and ni enough cash and canno not aford playes leaving New Zealand is avoidng playes leavig NZ to play club rugby in Japan and Europe - which exclude hem or selecio for he AB's,

SA at present has the best coach in World Rugby - as well as unbelievable player resourcs - which has been mentioned by many rugby experts,   There are a few irreplaceable players in the Springbok team - like  Etzebeth, Nche, Du Toit, De Allende  and Kolbe where replacment would be difficult and replacement players would not be able to maintain the high levels the mentioned players  performed on - but in virtually all other positions it would be replacements by even better players (example Pollard and Feinberg-Mngomezulu)  - for the rest  the replacment players cannot be regarded a irreplaceable and the taam perfrmances will not suffer if players are to be replaced..               .      .            

So he AB stats are given for the period 2009 to 23016 hen SA had shit as coaches that could not beat the Witgatwortelfontein  B team - leave alone the  AB's.

You realize the Boks is not the only side the All Blacks play against, yes?

The RC mach schdule for the 2025 tests are as folows:-

16 Augut s 2025             =    Aregentina  vs   Nee Zealand

                                              South Africa  vs   Australia 

23 Augut s 2025             =    Aregentina  vs   Nee Zealand

                                              South Africa  vs   Australia 

6    September 2025         =    New Zealand   vs    South Africa

                                             Australia       vs Argntina    

13  September 2025         =    New Zealand   vs    South Africa

                                             Australia       vs Argentina

27 September 2025         =    New Zealand   vs    Australia

                                             Argentina          vs    Sout Africa

4    Octoner 2025            =     Australia         vs    New Zealnd

                                               Argentina        vs     South Africa  #

#   This test is played in London.  

It’s almost impossible to declare which side is the best ever but one certainty is, that this current Bok side is up there with the best ever which in itself is something to be proud of unlike some of the clowns on here who keep trying to devalue their achievements and best of all don’t rate the coach or the best player on the planet right now

There's a big difference between "up there with the best ever" and "the best ever". Before calling other people clowns, maybe figure out what exactly it is you wish to say and take a clear stance, because "up there" is not what the article you placed or your post heading indicates. 

"Up there with the best", definitely. I think anyone can get on board with that.

As to be expected  I said that SA used to be competitive but wa not in the epriod you quoted,   I said the AB's had  NO competitive teams they faced in the relevant period.

Fact is the whole period mentioned the AB'sd was ranked the number 1 team in he world and hy never played teams rankd higher than they in the world.   It is teams who consgtantly bat higher raned tams in he orld thatdeserve evn more credit than the no 2 team team ony play wkr opposition.   In 2019 and in the 2023 the Springbok baata ll he higher ranked tems - lost against NZ nd hen ebat two teams ranked higher than they in te RWC.   In the 2023 te situation ewas similar.     That for insacne made 2007 RWC wi the orst one of all the4 RWC gtrophies won - tehy did not play a single tem ranked higher than SA in the whole seasn.   They d the luk of a pox doctor in getig throuh to the final that year.

To fiey ou anoter fact about the sisue is that in the 2015 RWC the four SH teams wwrre the only teams in the semi's which against  how distorted the situation really was,  wih the Japan Diiaster  showed how relally  shit poor he SA  tams really was, and so team from  NH teams being suubstandard as well.

The simpeton idea is the use stats withour regard to circumstances immpaced on the stasm.            

WTF, help me understand this dumbmike, the worlds number 1 ranked team can never be the best team ever as they didn't beat a team rated higher than them?????

So the AB team between 2010 and 2015 are ruled out simply because the other teams were shit compared to them. I am sure this makes sense to you but to me this has to top any other crap you have posted by a country mile.

So since the Boks are currently ranked number one then according to you they cannot be the best rugby team ever as they haven't beaten a higher ranked team, OK have it your way,

CF

I am no degraring the achevement of the B's during the period  2010 to 2016 - but using of stas  omnly as a criteris is BS<    

I notice my name in there so I suppose you're speaking to me, but my Neanderthal is a bit rusty so I'm not sure what you're saying.

...and yet you lot go out of your way to complain about everything and everyone except for Mostert and Esterhuizen...ad nauseum ...24/7...

First tell me what untruths I'm using...what am I lying about.

Having to play the Boks in Sout h Africa this year was a huge disadvantage for the AB's.

The Boks should beat the AB's at home.

Next yhear it will reverse.

And the Boks will be beaten in NZ.

Oh so up there with the best is beyond some of you idiots? I’m guessing English is not your first language?

You started with best ever.

Then adjusted to up there with the best.

Then adjusted to one of 5 great sides.

It's not the fault of the "clowns" that you can't formulate a consistent argument. But by all means, keep holding other people accountable for your shortcomings.

I would say that All Black from 2010 to 2015 was probably one of the greatest teams, but also, don't forget. SA teams were dominating the Super rugby at that time and actually won the comp or came close. I think SA suffered from having Pieter De Villiers who ruined the boks win record. Other than a Player coach team that ignored deliveries they had a fantastic year in 2009 and New Zealand had their worst year. 

NZ pulled it together and went on to win two world cups in a row. That said, they didn't have the same hard games that the current SA team did in the most recent World Cup game. To play the top 5 teams in the same comp, Sco, Ire, NZ, Fr and Eng. Even the 95 World Cup team only had to deal with Australia, Samoa, FRA and NZ. 

I do think our team between 2007 and 2011 was extremely poorly managed and we lost a generation. Meyer had to either use players that were too old or players that were too young. Kriel, Pollard etc were all players under 23 playing in a World Cup final. That image of Kriel on the field and Sonny Bill Williams picking him up. Then 4 years later the same players win the World Cup and then 4 years later another. A lot have changed in 9 years. 

That is what worked for NZ, those players like Mcaw, Carter, William Nonu etc were all players that came short and then went onto win.