Boks best rugby side ever

What amazes  me is what most Poeters misundestood about the comments of Dave.  He refrred to teh S pringbk team - no other intrnational teams/  He compared he present Springboks o past Springbok teams if ne rads the heading porperly and undersand simple English.

To divert the matter to Springbok teams ad accpt that since thePofessinal aea s in the Springbpks played in 4 RWC finals and rate he teams in hefollowing oder - taking into account the teams tey payed in te whole sriesm ey Springks in WC sies,

1    2019 RWC team

2    2023  RWC team     

3    1995  RWC team 

4   1999 RWC team

5   2007 RWC team

6   2015 RWC team

7   2003  RWC team

8   2011 RWC team.       

Ta king into accoun the  present pefomances of  the present Sprngbok team as the best Springbok team ever. 

From a coahing prspectie I rate the RWC year only as follows:-

1    Erasmius

2    Christie

3    Mallett

4    White

5    Straueli

6   De Villiers

7     Meyer

Pietertjie definitely above Straeuli.

My probme with Meyer is that he was fired by Stade Francais  based on incompetence,   If he is that  bad on club level - how bad was he on test level.

Anyway that was a funposting and also abse on oppsing teams played.   I Must agree S traeli was suershit and the story was haat h senior playes decide o squa nd tems elcions and not De Villiers and he is not even a school team coach. 

Must admit coachs from 5 to  7 were superhit - but I do not know what he is doing now but hersd hat e ahs a job with rhe lios frachise now.   .l know that De Villiers is unable to get a school coaching job.    I beleive Meyer has gone to he USA  after being unable to find anywhere else in the world a coaching job.     /    

To rate the coaches you have to take into account the talent available and the quality of the opposition. Does anybody doubt we have our best talent pool ever….mostly assembled before Erasmus. And that the opposition, particularly the SH opposition is at its weakest ever.

This is the best state that that boks has ever been. They have a sound coaching group with a lot of IP. Coaches may come and go but there are a lot of good vibes. Rassie of course is the main stay and single reason for the boks cohesion. However, coaches by into his vision and he has the backing of the president and SARU. 

All our coaches had it much harder. To much provincialism. 

NZ got their act together way back when and was ahead of all the rugby nations. They were the first to do franchises, central contracts and player resting protocols.

But now Europe has caught up as evident with Ireland. Teams in France are ultra competitive. The quality of players are next level. No wonder NZ struggling from time to time. 

I think it is the first time that number 4 or 5 can beat the number one rank team, SA or Ireland. 

England is not far off and Wales need to sort their rugby out. 

The rugby world was in a different state when the Kiwis dominated. 

So I can understand why they believe this is the best team ever. 

But, I do wonder how that team of 2010 until 2015 would have failed today. Remember, many of these boks played against those players and lost by 1 point in that semi final against the greatest all blacks team. 

So I do think it is comparable. 

The boks need to follow this up next year and the year after. 

Even if they don't win the next world cup, they need to dominate for a few more season before we can say they are the greatest 

1 Erasmus

2 Christie

3 Mallett

4 Carel

5 De Villiers

6 White

7 Meyer

8 Markgraaf

9 Harry Viljoen

10 Straueli

White wins a WC and a TN against proper NZ and Australian opposition,  with a team that lost badly in the 2003 Quarters.  And he’s ranked behind Mallett who got outcoached by Australia in the  99 WC semi? And then imploded in 2000 with 6 wins and 6 losses, one win against Canada? 

I think not.

My moin problem wih White is that he blew hot and cold as a coach.   He would be good one year and the next pour,   in 2004 each of MZ,AUstralia and SA each won 2 tests  each in in te then Ttinations and in t hend the Sprinboks won the  sries bed on  a three poin lead,   

The same did not appen and in the tests in 2006 and 2007 tests  otside the rwc the rwc.   Rhe springbpks were seriously disappointing.

Oh the Eddie Jones that took England and Oz down a worm hole….sure. I suppose the prospect  of Eddie Jones won the 2004 TN, the quickest turnaround in Major Country rugby?

So let me interpret your thoughts Draad and Dave. You don’t like White, he is too much like the history teacher who gave you a hard time. You prefer Harrassmiss with his bearding of the establishment. You don’t want to admit to yourself that he lucked into the best squad, the weakest opposition and a series of one point wins.

Let’s not think that way, it’s disloyal. So we can’t see him in context…he is a genius, despite the fact that he couldn’t pass matric maths.

Actually much of what he did was right….return us to a forward powerhouse and the aggressive defense White first introduced to Bok rugby. What he has never done is enhance our back play. The impressive stuff is due to individuals and our back play in 2019 was better than 2024…look at the tries against NZ video.

So cut the guilt trip….Eddie Jones did nothing for our rugby, Jake White won the TN first time around…get real. Erasmus won 3 and lost 3 in his first year.

"Let’s not think that way, it’s disloyal. So we can’t see him in context…he is a genius, despite the fact that he couldn’t pass matric maths.

Where did you hear that?...and what has mathematics has to do with rugby?...and calling him stupid and lucky doesn't diminish his achievements...your loyalty to Jake is biased and misplaced...solid enough coach,  but Rassie is better...you just refuse to see it because of your dislike for the man.

I agree that’s a little snippy. But so is ranking Jake behind Carel and de Villiers. There’s your bias right back at you….you refuse to see Jake’s accomplishments because of your dislike of the man. And that applies to half the posters on this Board.

The man has been a warrior, still coaching with passion 20 years after becoming Bok coach. No games, no fiddling with roles, no reffing excuses.

Do I prefer that style over bending the rules with the water boy farce and intimidating the referees….you betcha.

My dig at Jake was more needling you than an actual opinion on Jake...I actually do rate him as a top coach even above Kitch...I thought I gave away the troll when I even rated Snorre above him...

Why was White effectively fored by the Sharks io resign and his contract with Montpellir not renewed?    Jake White has on  the whole a spotty record at best.    Him winning major trophies was over 15 years limited to 3 - one being made easier in the 2007 RWC when S A did not play a single higher ranked team in the while series,    That makes it extremely easy to win the RWC  compared to what the  other RWC SA squads experience and winning a Tri-nations on point difference does not mean all that much either.   he never took any Superrugby team past  smi-final  level either.  

White was an overrated coach if ever there was one. .

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Jake is a fixer. Get him in for two seasons to pick a down and out team up off the ground, and then get rid of him before he starts tripping over his own feet.

During his Bok tenure Jake was interfered with by SA Rugby to a ridiculous level though. From pressure about selecting black players to the old boys club calling for his head in public to being called back to South Africa to face a motion of no confidence by a minority of voices in the provincial unions in 2006 during the end of year tour. It was stupid and destructive.

Who wa he future talent Jake White selected?   give us he names so w can ealuate what hpappened to thm in later years,  in any event Jake White was given a limitless budget to conmract players since Rupert and Motsepe effecively own the franchise.   The top backline playes he got are effectiely Kriel. and Moodie.  His initial concts entail virtually all forwrd and it was only aftr Brits was appointed  by Rupert and Motsepe to watch out for what  White is p to when he stopped his cotract with Morne Steyn ad got Goosen in at flyhalf,   He ended up geting Arendse and Moodie from the Western Cape  and none of the oher backline plyers have raahed the Springbok squad yet.  .     

There sis e explanation - Jae a ound ou by opposition s to hi extremely limited ame plan and he used to bugger up internal player relationship.   He had favories and non-favorits and he eams a  esul turns to shit.     Fo instance at h end of 2014 the contracts of playes were to be renewed and  16 of te Senior players refusse to their conracts as log as Whie was  coach..

He also tried to play jskeball and the specaors hated it.   The Sharks bfoe him played 15 man Rugby and Jake wanted  them to play 10 man ruby.   The Sharks found him to play normal Sharks rugby and he failed badly - so tata Jake White,           

Thanks 

I prefer a coach nt fired by  his mployers and who cold nt get conrac renewal/     You sill do nt realiz that you are daling with a coach who treat players like school children and te playes i  he end lose their enthusiasm to play and that happes normally in the second  year of hi coching career,   Th oher thing bothering me about White isvery few of t he 2007 WC players often criticized White - soething  you never see with Erasmu as coach.     In esence there is ample prrof that White is raally an averge coach with a vey limited game plan.    

Only people with a very limited knwledge of rugby would say Jake as a coach  on par with Erasmus as a coach - he s not and his caching record confirms that.         

Moffie, who do you think gives a toss about the opinion of an egg-faced rugby noob who thinks 2 time RWC winning coach Rassie Erasmus is useless and 2 time World Player of the Year Pieter-Steph du Toit is a dud?

Seriously, name the posters who you think give a toss about your laughably biased and ignorant opinions?

So what you're saying is you can't even name a single poster who might care what an egg-faced rugby noob has to say about rugby?

LMAO!

Then just say so.

If you are so discouraged  that you need attention today, say so. Is it the body, overloaded by 50lbs of excess fat  that is ruining your day or has your landlady asked for the rent again?