Boks defensive failures - anatomy of two tries

The first Australia try shows lack of awareness from the Boks. They are so focused on the counter ruck close to the line that they don't realize Australia is overloading the blind side. 
Here we have 9 Boks ruck watching, completely unaware that the Aussies have stacked 4 attackers on the left (with one more joining as the ball comes out) against the solitary defender in Habana. Only Habana is calling for defenders to come over.


Once the ball emerges after the next phase, the Boks have no chance.


The second Australia try sees the Boks manning up one on one on the outside as Australia goes wide, with the luxury of two players in Jantjies and Du Toit to watch the ball carrier, Foley. 
Unfortunately, both just drift flat and laterally across without pressuring Foley, Du Toit appearing to be watching the outside players instead of the ball carrier. 


As Du Toit overruns Foley breaks inside and both defenders fail to make the tackle. 


And that's the game.

Pa kie; good slides but I also notice that the clock reads 61.19 when PSDT and others messed up their defence, it was after 18 phases. There was still plenty of time on the clock so my point is the defence held well before this mistake & there were still opportunities to get back in the game.

Granted, both tries came from good phase play JW. The second in particular could and should have been stopped though. With regards to attack the Boks showed very little after the two early scores. It's a 20-3 scoreline to the Aussies for the last 62 minutes. 

Excellent Pakie.....nobody mentions Steph's defensive error. There is a similar image we could surface showing Steph getting himself turned in the shadow of the Oz line.

What does it all amount to? A 14 point swing to Oz. 
Du Toit is a very mixed bag, probably better than Lomp, but not convincing. We need some more 'blocky' power in this pack. A player like Willemse would really strengthen our tight play vs gangly types like Lomp and Steph.

20 minutes of ineffective offense cannot be pinned on PSDT alone. He's ok as a player & needs to be developed. If there are more experienced & effective options then they should be selected first.

 Where am I pinning 20 minutes of ineffective offence on Steph alone? I'm saying losing the ball a few metres  out is costly. 

Mozart, Pakie holds PSDT partly reponsponsible and you said PSDT was "front and center in our Saturday loss" on the other thread:
"But to argue that Coetzee is failing because he doesn't pick 98kg Kriel or Stephanie is laughable. These two players won't change anything.....in fact Stephanie was front and centre in our Saturday loss."

You were a little more charitable in the case of the Matfield penalty in the game against the ABs in the RWC when he made a mistake late in the game. Age prejudice? What would your mate CleverMike say?

A penalty foregone by a very marginal penalty reversal and actually regained and cashed in a few minutes later is not the same as missing a tackle to concede the winning try. Nice attempt but no cigar JW.

I will enjoy my cigar I make a bet that CleverMike would agree with me. As the poster with the most posts he must be right

 Here's some extracts from the Telegraph:

61 mins

Barrett clears from the re-start, but South Africa steal the line-out and drive forward to the 22m line. But their runners are slightly isolated and both Burher and Etzebeth struggle to make any headway. They win a penalty, however, when Smith tackles du Preez before he had hands on the ball.

Habana trots back onto the field after his ten minutes are up, but the ref then goes to the TMO to penalise Matfield for a neckroll. Carter kicks for touch.

80 minutes

South Africa shift it around their own 22m line as they desperately seek a gap to burst through, but the All Blacks stand firm, and it’s all over when Matfield knocks it forward whilst desperately trying to work an opening.

It’s been tight, it’s been gruelling and it’s been engrossing, and the greatest rivalry in the sport has ended with New Zealand beating South Africa 20-18.The All Blacks have made it to the World Cup final!

It seems your old mate Victor made more than one critical error in that match.

 Well done...he knocked the ball on deep in his 22, when the Boks were bottled up after the hooter.....and was dubiously penalized for a neck roll. The next week he won the MOM in the Bronze medal game.

Not exactly  like missing a tackle for a try and knocking the ball on metres from the line.
Next?

You prove my point, i.e. individual players make mistakes but they are not alone in being accountable for a loss. Even the great Mafield made his mistakes.

Of course even the best make mistakes....but the Stephanie missed tackle was in the same category as the de Jager missed tackle in the semi. If we don't comment on errors like that, we might as well not comment on any accomplishments or lapses. It's fair game.
I don't think that mistake alone should influence whether Stephanie starts in the next match, but it certainly disqualifies him from the Team of the Week in my view.

Rather this type of ana-lysis than media inaccuracies like Sport24's Rob Houwing telling us Habana "popped out of alignment" during Coleman's try. He was alone against 4 Aussies 5m from the tryline, what alignment was there to pop out of?

 So this is all about Du Toit - there was another defender involved - but his name is not even mentioned.   When giving a breakdown like the one above - please be comprehensive and not an all out attack on one player only - especially when more than one is involved.    

 The mere fact that Matfield contributed to the Boks loss with some dirty play is of no consequence ... right?
Simply stopping all momentum with a reckless neck roll ... try-line in sight isn't something we shouldn't feel pi$$ed about ... right?
An opportunity to contest the final for the gold ... in a World Cup ... as apposed to winning the MOM in the oh so important bronze medal contest?
Hmmmmm ... that made up for it ... right? Our hero!!
PSDT makes a small mistake in a meaningless match, we were always going to lose and all hell breaks loose. 
We should fire his ass and have him replaced immediately ... with Victor Matfield. At least that way we could possibly have witnessed him win the MOM again.
What a hero!! 

Mike, wake up.
"with the luxury of two players in Jantjies and Du Toit to watch the ball carrier, Foley. "
"As Du Toit overruns Foley breaks inside and both defenders fail to make the tackle."

 Ummm ... I think he was having a go at Mozart.

Probably, but since Mike usually aims some snide little comment at me when I do posts like this I automatically assume the worst.

 Was aimed at Mozart.   I can clearly remember the try scored by Barratt in the 2013 AB test - whn Engelbrecht alone was blamed for a missed tackle after De Villiers went out of the defensive line  rushing up like Du Toit did, Morne Steyn gave Barratt a slap on his back wishing him well on his way to the tryline and all hell broke lose when Engelbrecht missed the tackle,   Then there was also Alberts atrocious missed tackle on Read before Smiths try in the same test - deadly silence as well.   Finally there was the Perth test in 2014 when Morne Steyn missed 8 tackles from 15 attempts and neither  Mozart nor Pakie said anything about that fiasco.  Highly selective criticism from those two are always the rule.   Some players gets crucified - others are just kept silence about - hoping others will not notice it.              

 Was aimed at Mozart.   I can clearly remember the try scored by Barratt in the 2013 AB test - whn Engelbrecht alone was blamed for a missed tackle after De Villiers went out of the defensive line  rushing up like Du Toit did, Morne Steyn gave Barratt a slap on his back wishing him well on his way to the tryline and all hell broke lose when Engelbrecht missed the tackle,   Then there was also Alberts atrocious missed tackle on Read before Smiths try in the same test - deadly silence as well.   Finally there was the Perth test in 2014 when Morne Steyn missed 8 tackles from 15 attempts and neither  Mozart nor Pakie said anything about that fiasco.  Highly selective criticism from those two are always the rule.   Some players gets crucified - others are just kept silence about - hoping others will not notice it.              

 Lomp was at fault vs NZ, JJ was at fault vs NZ, Allende was at fault vs Oz and NZ,  Kriel was at fault vs Japan and Stephanie was at fault vs Oz. All these tackling mistakes led directly to losing close tests....case closed.

 Simplistic as per normal.  The dolt is so stupid he does not realise it.    And he lies through his teeth as well when one evaluates  the actual games  on which he based his argument.    

 Yeah and Matfield won the MOM in the bronze medal contest.
What a hero.

Okay, let's examine the 'lie'.
1 Was Lomp's missed tackle on Kaino anybody else's fault....nope.

2 Regardless of anybody else's errors could JJ have stopped the Barrett try that lost us the famous 2013 AB match.....yes Barret ran  directly into him and through him.
3 Could Allende have tackled Kuridrani and stopped the winning try against Oz last year.....yes he was lined up on the Aussie centre and stepped in part by over running the tackle.
4 Was the final AB try that took us out of the RWC the result of Nonu getting outside and could an Allende tackle have stopped that.....yes Allende never closed in to make the tackle.
5 Did Kriel have a perfectly clean shot on the Nip centre who broke our line to set up the winning Jap try....yes he had a full go and was snot klapped.
6 Was Stephanie lined up on Foley last week and expected to defend that channel, something by the way he would have to do a lot more as a blindside.....yes Foley was his man and Steph was beaten by the totally predictable inside step.

So Tokkie sweetness, where is the lie?

 Mozart we have been through the Barratt try how many times and you have the cheek to blame only Engelbrecht for scoring of the try, while De Villiers and Morne Steyn buggered up as well.     Same with the Kuridrani try last year, where the first defender beaten was not De Allende.   And your description of the Japan try last year was equally questionable if one reads the statement of Eddie Jones on the issue.   So stop being simplistic - it is level with dishonesty.         

Forget about blaming only JJ, forget about de Jongh, forget about Allende being the first tackler(which he was), forget about Eddie Jones. Point out one lie in what I said go ahead. And don't bother with the Kriel tackle against Japan....he is Gordon D'Arcy:

' The philistines among us may have watched on as Japan ran in those two late tries and celebrated wildly as a result of a group of players few of us had ever even heard of. But students of the game such as Gordon D'Arcy were instead asking why.

Why did a team that were supposed to be routinely swept aside turn up on the biggest occasion and shock the sporting world? While there may be plenty to say about the building of a structure within Japanese rugby and the possibility to play with quality players in an increasingly impressive league system, D'Arcy was instead looking at something much more simple to understand.

A young centre failing to do his job like he should have.

Jesse Kriel may not have been at fault for the fact that Japan were still in the game with fifteen minutes to go but, according to D'Arcy, he was largely at fault for the fact that the Brave Blossoms came away with a 34-32 win.

In an illuminating column in today's Irish Times, the Leinster man uses Kriel to explain just how important a centre's defensive responsibilities can be. A centre may only make 'three or four primary hits in a game' but it's about staying relevant and it's about ensuring you're in the right position according to D'Arcy, something which Kriel was guilty of forgetting.

If you dive into that hole and don’t make a clean tackle you disappear from view and it looks like someone else has missed a tackle. Your team-mates know who is to blame. So does your coach.

For Goromaru's try, the 21 year old Springbok 'emptied their outhalf late to leave a gaping hole for their blindside winger to run into'. And for the final nail in the coffin, it was once again Kriel 'was handed off by Al Mafi as punishment for invading the space too early'.

Perhaps it's harsh to pin so much blame on the shoulders of one player, particularly one so young, but if we're going to trust someone to tell us what a centre needs to do at the highest level, then Gordon D'Arcy is a fairly good man to have on hand.'

Eat your crow Mong.

 

Mozart just love to quote selected by him newspaper articles - that is where he believes they strengthen his points of view.   When the articles is contrary to his mostly disturbed point of view he has no problem in saying the writer does not know what he is writing about.   

Why quote that article and not the comments of Eddie Jones on what he described as a practiced move that went straight over Meyer and his defensive coach's head and threw the Springboks defence in disarray?  But that goes straight over the head of our resident village idiot, so lets leave him in his total  world of rugby ignorance.

He obviously does not realize it -  but  the try resulted from the same mistake made by Kriel as was the case of De Villiers leaving the defensive line in disarray by going out of line in the case of  Barrett try he loves to quote.         

 

Mozart just love to quote selected by him newspaper articles - that is where he believes they strengthen his points of view.   When the articles is contrary to his mostly disturbed point of view he has no problem in saying the writer does not know what he is writing about.   

Why quote that article and not the comments of Eddie Jones on what he described as a practiced move that went straight over Meyer and his defensive coach's head and threw the Springboks defence in disarray?  But that goes straight over the head of our resident village idiot, so lets leave him in his total  world of rugby ignorance.

He obviously does not realize it -  but  the try resulted from the same mistake made by Kriel as was the case of De Villiers leaving the defensive line in disarray by going out of line in the case of  Barrett try he loves to quote.         

Typical...The Mong brings up JdV, a brilliant defender, to try and deflect away from the Kriel mistake. And what was that mistake? A straightforward one on one tackle where he was overpowered leading directly to the try that sank the Boks.
The impartial comment from D'Arcy one of the most experienced centres in the game is as clear as crystal....Kriel lost the test.
LMAOFY Tokkie....defending the indefensible.

 

Mozart

There are a few issue here.    Those are the –

 *     the Kriel defensive lapse in the Japan;

 *    defence of Jean de Villiers; and

*     the real reason for the loss against Japan

So lets deal with the defence issue  first.   I am not justifying about the defensive lapse by  Kriel .   Poor defence is not acceptable.    However, unlike our resident Village Idiot I look at what actually happened  in the case and repeated what Eddie Jones said about the incident.   An old strategy was used  - a strategic attacking move that the Springbok coaching staff should have known about and the move should have been countered.   However, it was not  and to blame Kriel alone for that deficiency  is indicative of a closed mind by the ignorant.   What is worse is that the Local Village Idiot regards that incident as career=defining insofar as Kriel is concerned,

Then there is the case  of De Villiers.   Lets face facts – De Villiers tried to intercept opposition balls and  had one deficiency, namely he went out of the defensive line and left gaps in the defence.    Although his face to face tackling was good the deficiency outlined  herein was a problem.   Although it happened fairly often a typical example was the Barrett try our Village Idiot loves to mention without mentioning the De Villiers problem in that case.           

Insofar as the Japanese test is concerned  the try scored should have not have had an influence on the outcome of the Japan test.   The team malfunctioned - especially the most experienced players in the team - and they should have won the test with ease.  However, out resident Village Idiot cannot understand that - shows what he knows about rugby. 

Our resident Village Idiot loves to refer to missed tackles – but only in those cases where he dislikes players,   He would never mention the missed tackles by Fat Fransie in the 2007 WC final, the fact that  Fat Fransie had the worst record as a defender in 2014 and 2015, the horrible Morne Steyn defensive record,  the poor dense of Alberts as exemplified by his missed tackle on Read in the 2013 Ellis Park test, but typical iro virtually all tests he played in.

So lets leave the Village Idiot to smother in his prejudice and rugby ignorance, he is a fool and nothing he writes on this site will change that.            

  Duplication

 A pile of steaming horse shyte, staring with the fact that there was no 2008 WC Final.

 Thanks for pointing out a typing error in such an elegant manner.   I have corrected it,  What was written is not horse shyte - it is factual - bu it way over your head as a rugby ignoramus.      

 A typing error. Oh that's okay then....hahaha. Look Mong if you really think a player has to be prepped in strategy to tackle an opponent one on one you are even more clueless than I thought.

 https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2015/09/Japan_correction_four.jpg

 If anything, at least we have Matfield's bronze medal performance to be proud of.  

Fat Mike I have rewatched the 07 final, cant seem to pinpoint the minute where Fat Fransie  missed a tackle to allow the poms in for a try or to win the game... help me out? I did find a couple of minute marks where he took on and converted pressure kicks, ao m y dvd still seems to show a Bok victory. Nobody can be expected to play a 'perfect' game but where there is a definite cock up that has a direct bearing on the result that should be fair game.No question Kriel cocked up against the Japs I was no more than 10m away and there was no way he was in a position to cover the man.
Prefer to call you Mike so refrain from the derogatory personal player comments.      

 The break of Tait did not let to a try,  but was a very  near thing - he ran through Steyn like he was not there.  Steyn also missed three other tackles in the game as well.   As to Mozart and assessment on the Kiel issue - you said it all. 

 "......he ran through Steyn like he was not there."
You really have to start deciding whether you are going to blame one single player for a try due to missed tackles or whether you are going to blame all who failed to stop the try scorer. In one scenario the first to miss a tackle carries the can and in the next the last one to miss the tackle carries the can.
Without exception, the only one who you blames is your pet-hate. In that particular situation, Tate slipped in between two defenders, one of which was Steyn. 
That disallowed try is discussed in this clip: https://youtu.be/EZgFL5wYz0s Do yourself a favour and watch it again. There were a number of players who tried to stop Tate in that move, and missed. 
I am not talking about a pure one on one tackle where a player who is the only one who has a fair chance of stopping a try and then fail to do so through clumsy tackling or a misaligned defensive effort.