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Boks lack explosiveness and how about these double standards say Venter

Started by Beeno119 REPLIES295 VIEWS· 28 Nov 2014, 20:37
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Nov 2014, 20:37
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28 Nov 2014, 20:37#1

Ex Supersport

Prior to the Padova test, public opinion suggested that the Springboks would put 50 points past Italy. However, Saturday’s match was not the walkover many supporters expected.

Some proclaimed that Heyneke Meyer missed a trick by not giving fringe players a chance but I believe he knew that the Italians were a better side than most gave them credit for.

However, the fundamental reason the Springbok attack is not functioning optimally is because the team does not possess sufficient players with explosive ball-carrying ability.

In my book, Meyer’s men are playing with more than enough intent to move the ball and I don’t believe that the shape or pattern the Springboks are employing is dramatically wrong.

Furthermore, it’s not about passing off nine or coming off ten – that’s not the issue at hand.

In order to dominate rugby matches, one of the prerequisites is to get over the gain-line. (A bit of guile and unpredictability would help!)

As such, my argument is that the more attacking threats a team has at its disposal, the easier it becomes for said team to generate momentum and penetrate the defence line.

If we take this past weekend’s test against the Azzurri as case in point, it was evident that Springboks wanted to give the ball air and play positively. However, I believe that they were hamstrung by an insufficient number of ball-carrying threats around the park to call upon.

While the big five, namely: Bismarck du Plessis, Victor Matfield, Duane Vermeulen, Jean de Villiers and Bryan Habana boast a wealth of experience and excellent decision-making ability, none of the aforementioned protagonists offer an explosive ball-in-hand threat.(Hahahahahaha the idea of wee victor having an explosive edge is a laugh! A big problem here is that the two props Beast and Jannie dont drive the ball up well. Neither does wee matfield - he goes backwards- that leaves Bissie and Etzebeth who are doing a job. Add in pap oupa and one sees what the problem is!)

I’m not saying that a lack of ball-carrying threat – just one aspect of the oval game – should preclude the above players from cracking selection. However, the fact is that when you struggle to break down the opposition defence that is normally an issue worth addressing.

When an older team takes to the field of play, the reality is that they will lack explosiveness. Thus, as a professional coach, the balance is found in blending age and experience with youthful and explosive ball-carriers in the mould of an Eben Etzebeth and a Marcell Coetzee.

Moreover, the likes of Willie le Roux, Cobus Reinach and Nizaam Carr, have brought an added dimension to the Bok attack by way of old-fashioned explosiveness and deception.

Therefore, I believe that more players of their ilk need to be embraced by Meyer and his coaching staff moving forward as the Springboks, by and large, lack an explosive attacking edge.

I would like to stress that it’s not down to style but rather the composition of playing personnel. Sheer explosiveness on attack is a unique attribute which cannot be coached.

A CASE OF DOUBLE STANDARDS?

Looking ahead to the Springboks’ final test of 2014 in Cardiff on Saturday, I find it unbelievably interesting that Wales have their French-based players available for a match which falls outside of the test window, while the Springboks do not.

You would expect World Rugby – formerly the IRB – to intervene, as you simply cannot have double standards at play. Hypothetically speaking, had Saru officials hopped on a plane with the intention of securing a similar deal, which the Welsh Rugby Union clearly has in place with the French clubs, the question is: Would the former’s request have been granted?

As it’s now a moot point, I believe Meyer will choose to focus on the positives.

The players that have come in for their French-based colleagues are all highly competent, warrant their place on tour and thus deserve a run out against a competitive Welsh team.

Is the unavailability of the Springboks’ French-based players against Wales a further example of South African rugby getting the short end of the stick?

A more realistic question would be when dont we get the short end. If this were the abs hansen, the nz sports writers and evryone would be yelling blue murder. Our guys just accept it.

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
28 Nov 2014, 21:02
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28 Nov 2014, 21:02#2
..Bean Brain I think NZ has a different policy where you choose between your country and making money for an overseas club....Rene Ranger for example chose to make money in France and forfeited his AB jersey...
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Nov 2014, 21:48
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28 Nov 2014, 21:48#3
 Brycy there may be some truth in that given the discrimination here against  minorities. Minorities are perhaps not as loyal as they might otherwise have been. 
But always remember our Rand is much weaker that your dollar. Hence the temptation to go for a big payday is much greater. Also we have no central contracting system to protect top players against over playing. Then we have quota selections to contend with particularl y if you are a white wing. Hence the selection of oupa and a guy like Kolisi.

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
28 Nov 2014, 22:09
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28 Nov 2014, 22:09#4
 ...Bean Brain can't see Wales being much of a threat to a weak Boks side...ABs should have easily put 50 points on them last week but are still experimenting with Barret at standoff without much success...that said my money went on the Welsh and the Aussies this weekend as i tend to favour an underdog - for one it pays better dividends at the TAB...but have a feeling Willie LeRoux will weave his magic and  save the day...
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Nov 2014, 22:14
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28 Nov 2014, 22:14#5
 Beeno
the AB supporters would never admit that the best try in tets this year was scored by the Springboks in the Ellis Park test with speed and finesse.   
It is possible for the Springboks to play explosive rugby - but Meyer is fouling up selections.   He picks two no 12 centers - with exactly the same playing styles and then expect that the center pairing must be "explosive"  - it just is not possible.
Habana was for years one of the most explosive backline player in the world - but he had tpo live of scraps - he would never see a good backline move that he could exploit.   In fct for years the Sringboks suffered from a serious malad y - namely dead backline syndrome.   
It was not ncessary to look far for the culprits - a player like Morne Steyn w ho nve was an all-round flyhalf - next to him were players who suffered because of his playing abilities   As if that wa snot enough - they had Francois Steyn at inside center - - when Morne kicked balls away - Fransie ran straight at the first defedner and crashballed.   De Villiers is starting to look a bot better in peformnces than he ws earlier - but the reason is the change at flyhaf is helping him.   
Venter is a good one to speak - as technical advoisor to the Sharks he would have o work wonders to get the Sharks backline functioning - especially since F ransie may still eb invovled.    
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WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Nov 2014, 02:01
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29 Nov 2014, 02:01#6
 Mikey the best try this year was the ABS try by Faumaina in the driving rain against England,22 times through the hands in the last quarter !Speed ,finesse ,patience and power !But I dont expect you understand team brilliance hehehehe....Beandork lay off wee Matfield ,hes the glue holding your team together ,glue made from old horses ....
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2014, 06:55
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29 Nov 2014, 06:55#7
 Your days of capitalising on the seletion of pap matfiled warped DUD are coming to an end. One would hope wee matfiled departs after the RWC although Meyer might think he can star for the Boks till he is 40! Seldom has such madness been seen re a player.
Just know that with the departure of these geriatrics Meyer can build a super pack if he is still coach after the RWC.  
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WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Nov 2014, 07:01
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29 Nov 2014, 07:01#8
 No dumb-butt wee Matfield is actually one of yer better players ,certainly outplayed Elizabet eh ? 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2014, 07:50
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29 Nov 2014, 07:50#9
 warped DUD please we are trying to have a forum here where the oaks have a vague clue. Not asking for too much surely! 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Nov 2014, 08:37
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29 Nov 2014, 08:37#10
 Wardad
The moment you mention  Faumaina your rgument wnet down in flames - he is one of the worst props in workd rugby.   However - the try  you referred to was scored a gainst a tema which is now rated at no 6 in world rugby - the one I mentione was against the no 1 team in world rugby - get the drift here.   
And forget about Etzebeth - he owns the NZ locks altogether and he is back to his best at last.      
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
29 Nov 2014, 08:43
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29 Nov 2014, 08:43#11
I love how Italy is now suddenly "a better side than most gave them credit for". Didn't they lose to Fiji, Japan and Samoa this year?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Nov 2014, 08:47
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29 Nov 2014, 08:47#12
"...we are trying to have a forum here where the oaks have a vague clue..." (Beeno babblings - Nov 2014)
Some would say that we have achieved this aspiration already .
I would have thought Bok supporters would have applauded the Faumaina try as it was forward power, skill & clinical execution. All executed with a "greasy ball" & we all know how hard that is
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WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Nov 2014, 08:54
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29 Nov 2014, 08:54#13
 Not -very-smart-at-all-mike, Faumaina was the last link in the chain that was a TEAM try .If you want to be as stupid as bedandork by all means but you will have to try even harder.It could have been anyone at the end of that team effort Faumaina being whatever you think he is has no bearing at all .Actually if he was the worst prop around it makes the try EVEN MORE NOTABLE . And wee elitsabet is he that IRB player of the year lock ?I think yer mind is drifting ...Hey JW how goes-it-bro ?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Nov 2014, 09:11
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29 Nov 2014, 09:11#14
 JW 
I applaud all good tries - whomsoever scored them - but there remains a difference in quality and in who the opposing team is.   That is my point here.
I appreciate the fact that the AB's was in the receiving end of the Hougaard try - makes it hard for AB supporters to sqwallow - but live with it.   
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Nov 2014, 09:29
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29 Nov 2014, 09:29#15
Hi Wardad: all good in Poland hope things are well with you & yours
CleverMike, I don't recall a Hougaard try, i guess my mind is focusing forward play & on the win/loss record for the last couple of years
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Nov 2014, 09:46
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29 Nov 2014, 09:46#16
JW

Easy - think about the try at Ellis Park scored after an atatcking move started near the  AB tryline and ended ain a try under the post by Hougaard in the Ellis Park test.   It came froma turnover of possession by the Springboks in a maul situation and all of Hougaard - Pollard, Hendricks, De Villiers, Serfointein and finally Hougaard at a hand in it.  I suppose as an AB supporter you prefer to forget about that one. 
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
29 Nov 2014, 13:09
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29 Nov 2014, 13:09#17
 Player of the YearCoach of the YearTeam of the YearRC Winners (only winners so far!)RWC Champions
etc etc........Mike, you can have try of the year mate!! It'll give you something to keep you following rugby...
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Nov 2014, 13:12
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29 Nov 2014, 13:12#18
Moolaa: ouch! Your reply to CleverMike was tough but fair.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
29 Nov 2014, 13:20
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29 Nov 2014, 13:20#19
South Africans don't pose a threat generally because South Africans deduce attacking rugby is merely "feeling like running it a lot". It requires critical thinking, puzzle solving ability. 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Nov 2014, 16:02
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29 Nov 2014, 16:02#20
 MadMikey ,all those years of not winning against the ABS has blown out of proportion a try in a dead rubber ,in a competition already won by the ABS [ and a video producer induced wi n at that !]But I suppose to someone dying of thirst even a few tiny raindrops in the desert of their dry barren devoid of rugby joy lives is good.
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