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Boks officially 2nd best team in the world

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
27 Sept 2024, 11:49
#41
27 Sept 2024, 11:49#41

Good debate between Dave and Mozart. Just remember that the same team that won the World Cup twice under Rassie were also the same team that played under Alistair Coetzee. Kriel, Kolisi, Etzebeth, Malherbe, Marx, Bongi etc were all players that were humiliated under Coetzee


1Beast2Malcolm MARX3Ruan DREYER4Eben ETZEBETH5Franco MOSTERT6Siya KOLISI7Jean-Luc DU PREEZ8Uzair CASSIEM9François HOUGAARD10Elton JANTJIES11Courtnall SKOSAN12Jan SERFONTEIN13Jesse KRIEL14Raymond RHULE15Andries COETZEE16Bongi MBONAMBI17Steven KITSHOFF18Trevor NYAKANE19Lood DE JAGER20Pieter-Steph DU TOIT21Rudy PAIGE22Handré POLLARD23Damian DE ALLENDE
If you look at this team, how on earth did Coetzee stuff it up. Then Some of these guys can still make another world cup
But to Dave's point. This unknowns will get better and has the potential to be the next gen. 
But I would stress that most of these players came from the Meyer era and it took them 6 years to reach their potential 


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kingcornPro3,695 posts
27 Sept 2024, 11:55
#42
27 Sept 2024, 11:55#42

So to answer Mozart question, can Rassie identify talent? 

Our 2015 team that lost to NZ in the Semi Final

South Africa: Le Roux; Pietersen, Kriel, de Allende, Habana; Pollard, du Preez; Mtawarira, B. du Plessis, Malherbe; Etzebeth, de Jager; Louw, Burger, Vermeulen

Replacements: Serfontein for de Allende (80), Lambie for Pollard (66), Nyakane for Mtawarira (53), Strauss for B. du Plessis (53), J. du Plessis for Malherbe (60), Matfield for de Jager (60), Alberts for Burger (64)


That is a decent spine of the two time world champs. Wonder if we should have given Meyer another crack like they did for Eddie and Graham Henry to name a few. 

But, to be even more confusing. Those players came from WP province when Rassie was the Director of Rugby. But the debate is, was it Matfield that set it up or was it Rassie. Kriel and Pollard were WP players before they got poached by Meyer

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
27 Sept 2024, 13:02
#43
27 Sept 2024, 13:02#43
Not all of those 18 players are regular starters or settled players.
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