Did Kolisi play is the question you should be asking. Lomp the MOM, you’re a funny guy Dave….he caused the first Wallies try by blowing his lineout for one thing. And if you think Mostert is toothless on the run, what about Lomp…knocked down by the first tackler.
Be interesting to know if O'Gara was watching.
2009 British Lions lost the series from his infringement a bit further back on the same field. It was also tied up to that point.
Sol lets gt down to real facts and those are that th whole farce was the result of under-performance by the following players:-
1 Jantjies - the worse performance by a so-called Springbok flyhalf - as bad as the nightmares regularly performed by Morne Steyn at his best. That missed corner kick by Jantjies was as bad as the nightmare Morne kick in the Perth 2014 test and the two record losses against New Zealand when Coetzee was the coach,. The missed kicks at goal was as bad as the misses by Morne in the disastrous Dunedin test against the All Blacks in 2012 - where Morne missed 7 kicks at goal.
2. Mostert - mainly missing in action and physically deficient in the game. A big NOTHING burger at best.
3 Moerat - a farce brought on late.
4 Mapimpi - did he actually playin the match,
How to replace the four? Lets put it mildly - the fact is that we are not sure whether Pollard is fit and injury-free at present. His contribution for Montpellier was in general unacceptable an that account for his release from contract by Montpellier and his move to Leicester. There are two immediate possible solutions - move Willemse to 10 or play Goosen in that position. Jantjies should be released from the Springbok squad - like happened to Morne in 2014 after the Perth disaster.
Not sure why Du Toit did not play on Saturday. Mostert made some tackles - but in the main was ultra useless in anything he attempted and his physical deficiency was evident throughout the match, If Du Toit is out maybe they should move Wiese to 7 and play Roos at 8. Much is made of Kwagga at 6 - but playing for nearly a full half of the game (34 minutes) . he made one tackle and had nothing else to brag about - a vast improvement on Kolisi though.
I can think of at least 7 other locks better than Moerat tht should eb in the squad. Just one question - does anyone know when last Snyman played any rugby?
As to Mapimpi there are enough wings that would at least turn up to play rugby and not vacationing on the field.
The Boks did not look like WC contenders at all, apart from a few like Kolbe, Kwagga, Am, Le Roux and maybe another one or 2.
Watching the AB's versus Ire at Eden Park, Steinlager Series with a 42-19 win one can only conclude that vast improvement is indeed needed to even entertain such a vision.
The big one at Emirates Airline Park on 13th Aug will be the ultimate test and of course France who remains an unknown test until WC.
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So Niena said in his post match interview that Jantjies only had 30 min of rugby all season and need game time, but why select a player that doesn't have game time. Jantjies will be selected again next week and "should" do better.
Given how poor our backline play has been, poor squad management and picking to many Japan based boks is a massive problem due to match sharpness.
I said it before, players that play in Japan is not fit for test rugby and we can't use test matches to hope they regain form. Which is what Niena is doing, form over reputation every day.
Time to reward players that are in form for their clubs.
Right now, Libbok should be given a crack as he has been the best SA flyhalf this season, until the rest can regain form and match sharpness.
But, I think for the next test move Willemse to 10, he has been playing 12 for most of the season and not to far from 10. Bring Gelant in at 15, change the bench with Pollard and Le Roux and stop the 6/2 split.
Elrich Louw to start with coetzee on the bench. I would have dropped Kolisi but until we start losing, al lot of games or he gets injured, we will have to carry this dead weight
You losers don't know your players very well. The excuses are fucking hilarious. Yarpies need an outsider to teach them always. Also Japanese rugby is faster and more running so your boys should be fitter and more used to less shitty kicking. The Japs themselves play with good fitness and their attacking game is actually really good. So the point is stop smearing shit on them because your players have a low ceiling of ability. Catch a fucking wakeup.
No they don't and can't. Struggling for one solid pack. I admit there's very good depth in the front row but why can't they last 60-70mins? Too unfit? What's the fucking problem? You have no depth in the backs and crappy options in the loose trio. I'm not sure about the locks right now after that embarrassment.
No they don't and can't. Struggling for one solid pack. I admit there's very good depth in the front row but why can't they last 60-70mins? Too unfit? What's the fucking problem? You have no depth in the backs and crappy options in the loose trio. I'm not sure about the locks right now after that embarrassment.
Pipe down Cracklin Rosie. You're sounding like a little Itoje wannabe with your shrill yapping. You both sound like your balls haven't dropped yet.
Also that Jenny Hill is a grub. Neither of those two would even see a Bok c-team.
Well your Bok a team is looking shitter than last year. So much big fucking talk and after that shit show you still talk about building 3 or 4 GOOD teams. Fucking delusional. I'm laughing at your expense you clenched anus! 4 in 5 and that's the bottom line. Fuck me you'll need the ref this year because if you don't have it you'll be beaten worse this year when you face the big boys. And think about it this embarrassment was on hallowed ground at altitude. Yeah, when you're away from altitude and touring you'll see even worse!
"Pipe down Cracklin Rosie. You're sounding like a little Itoje wannabe with your shrill yapping. You both sound like your balls haven't dropped yet."
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THIS!!!
Dave
Although Wie se was active he has got the dumb muscle impact you referred to. He also has some ball handling problems and that was evident yesterday as well. I prefer players who can read the game and act accordingly. That is why I support inclusion in the team of players like Du Toit and Roos.
The excuses on Jantjies is futile. Lack of game time could not make him as bad as he was yesterday, I know Willemse is a better player than Jantjies - miles better. I will rather have Goosen -who is in the squad - than any other player at flyhalf if Pollard cannot play. I have seen Libbok play in a number of games and for me he is a second-hand Jantjies.
Theyre all dumb. Roos Wise it doesn't matter. It's all the same shit. Only difference is who can be the bigger dumbo. That's always Duane.
We all knew what it was but we are getting better in the air. That's the end of this shit. I bet a few seniors won't make the world Cup and its going to be a mish mash of ideas to try and make shit work, like throwing Spagetti at a wall and the usual man hunt after the world Cup.
Red Nose,
At least the Springboks won the game unlike your Pommies losing against a team of 14 and even 13 at one stage.
Jantjies, Kolisi need to be dropped both are a waste of the Green and Gold jersey and holding back better players, these two need to be dropped completely from the squad.
Agree with Plum about Mostert he has to make way for the Blond man and Roos has to be introduced with clueless Wiese on the bench.
Lucky win for the Bokke and a poor start to the series hopefully they will perform better in the next game???????
Also agree that the high kicks are a waste for the Bokke as most times the kick is to far ahead of the chasers and Fab kicks far to often and wastes opportunities by giving away possession.
Not saying that Jantjies is a better option at #9 but what about the one or two pretenders for that position in the running.
Yes a win is a win but this was a lucky win from a poor performance.
Jantjies is a good player, and Pollard is overrated. If you want to play with a bit more ball in hand then it has to be Jantjies for sure. But seeing as the rest of the backs are shit its better to kick and ne in the opposition half and get those penalties. It's the only way this team can win.
AJH, you are pretty thick aren't you. You beat a team given three yellow cards and a lopsided penalty count of 15 to 7. Love your 13 turnovers given away though. We lost marginally against a top side. No shame at all. We can play rugby.
Could never ever be as thick as you Pom's Red Nose.
If you read my posting slowly you will notice I mentioned a "Lucky Win".
GET IT YOU THICK TWIT.
As to Jantjies being a good player all I can suggest is that you add more mix to that stuff you are drinking.
We have two test left before New Zealand arrive on our shore. I don't think it is enough time to get this rabble of a squad primed for the All Blacks.
Where as the All Blacks destroyed Ireland. They also have gotten more physical and the defence as as well as their attack have been physical with silky skills.
If I was Niena I would be building towards those two games. Beat Wales and get the best players on the park.
I like Ox but we need Kitshoff as he showed in the URC finals he can play a full 80 min and keep the scrum pressure. Malherbe is good but can last up to half time. So Thomas the tank it is.
Bongi should be on the bench and allow Marx to play a full game for once.
Happy with Lood and Etzebeth even though Lood made some critical early errors.
Kolisi should go and come back next season once he has proved he can actually preform and doesn't avoid contact. Man he was embarrassing, jump backwards away from the ruck not to get hit rather than being a. Limped and grab the ball.
Wiese was good, got the experience and probably to soon for Roos. Louw on at seven with PSTD on the bench, can cover 7 and both locks.
Coetzee at 6 and Roos on the bench to get his first caps.
Faf for now, but who else. Jantjies should maybe start ahead of him.
Shift Willemse to 10 and Pollard to come off the bench
Dud Allende did good as a tractor but would love to bring Esterhuizen on.
Am and wings are fine.
Gelant at 15 with Willie on the bench to cover the back 3
Absolutely no Moerat, Orie or Elton
7m in 11 runs is good crash balling? Fuck me you lot are a laugh a minute. Kolisi is actually not bad at all. The more dynamic among your fat oafs. Used as a lone forward to bolster wider attacking sets. Not a traditional fetcher but you bastards like to attack the breakdown in numbers anyway so no loss there. Jantjies is better than Pollard. End of. Your tight head is a fat loafer. And I mean fat. Loosies are shit across the board apart from Kolisi. Locks... hmmm, not so sure. I was dead sure they'd be good but they really looked shyte. Out of form? Dunno. We'll have to see. Better off kicking off 10 than 9 I think. The backs are all shit outside 10. It's a fucking shit show. No back abilities whatsoever. Probably worse than eleven Italy. Awful. But I guess the coaches know that and that's why they play this horrible shitty brand of rugby.
Dave
I agree with most of the players - but is Pollard and Du Toit fit to play? If so = they are the obvious choices. As to Gelant he was the weak link of the Stormers against Ulster and the Bulls - catching high balls with the follow up near was a disaster by Geland in both matches. They should rather start with Willemse than Gelant.
Will Snyman ever play again? You must be kidding making Moerat the back-up lock. I would rather play Louw from the bench to cover the lock position.
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Tell you who is damn useless is Mapimpi….he can run in an overlap try, but little more. He is fast but as we saw chasing Reese Dammit, not that fast. He has no step, average hands, is weak under the high ball and is a defensive liability. A big defensive liability because he makes poor choices.
His success is due to the Bok’s success. One could say the same thing about Kolisi. These are passengers in disguise
Mapimpi has no step…he is fast enough and strong in contact. His defence is an accident waiting to happen.
Lomp never made any metres in contact, he made his metres in the one break. Same old Lomp flat track bully hype. The moment he is up against some physical locks he’ll fade away. Stop talking nonsense Dave.
And Mapimpi and Kolisi are way over hyped. There isn’t a try Mapimpi scored that any competent test wing wouldn’t score. And Kolisi was far inferior to Mostert on Saturday.
I identified the failures on Saturday and remain with those. The worst was Jantjies - followed by closely by Mostert, Moerat and Mapimpi.
Lots of very average players isn't World class depth Professor Plum.
Let's see, sister Rose...
Kitshoff, Marx, Eben, Snyman, Roos, Wiese, Faf, Cheslin, Willemse...
Off the top of my head, those are all BIP players that would walk into any international side outside of perhaps the ABs.
And the Boks won the WC without many of these guys even starting games...or even being involved in the setup yet.
Do you have a better measure for depth at the highest level?
