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Boks vs Scotland the Brave

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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Sept 2023, 17:54
#121
10 Sept 2023, 17:54#121

So now we have two weeks of nothing games before the real tournament starts

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 17:54
#122
10 Sept 2023, 17:54#122

Faf, Libbok, Damian, Kriel, Arendse, Willemse, Steph, Malherbe, Kolisi were not worthy of wearing the jersey. It was not a good showing. The Boks showed almost nothing on attack. If you have an open lane, they can run through it very quickly. That's it. I give this showing an F. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,224 posts
10 Sept 2023, 17:56
#123
10 Sept 2023, 17:56#123

I am not happy with that performance, France and Ireland would have beaten the Boks today. 
Delande seems to be the main problem...

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:01
#124
10 Sept 2023, 18:01#124

"The Scots are impatient in the s econd half. The Bok defence is looking poor. "

LOL

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:01
#125
10 Sept 2023, 18:01#125

Scotland didn't bring much to test us with. They seemed to play very loose in the second half, isolated runners, lacked team dynamic, couldn't get any momentum going. Easy win for a Bok side that looked average for 70 of the 80 minutes and with a clusterfuck combo in midfield.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:02
#126
10 Sept 2023, 18:02#126

Damian is a problem, but not the main problem. The halfbacks were predictably D-. Kolbe has talent, but he was reduced to junking through people. Arendse, yet again, had a walk in for a soft try. Our defence was exceedingly poor. We look devoid of ideas unless opponents let us run at them for free. This is the worst ever Bok side at a WC. That's saying something, as the 2019 side was nothing special. 

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:03
#127
10 Sept 2023, 18:03#127

Comfortable win for the Boks. There defense was excellent and they minced the Scottish scrum in the third quarter. Other than the Scots butchering a shoe in try in the first half they never looked like scoring and their line out was a mess.

I am not happy with that performance, France and Ireland would have beaten the Boks today.

I think so too.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:04
#128
10 Sept 2023, 18:04#128

The Bok defence was suspect for 80 minutes. The Scots looked good ball in hand, the Boks showed nothing. 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:07
#129
10 Sept 2023, 18:07#129


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:12
#130
10 Sept 2023, 18:12#130
Let's remember that these Scots beat France and ran them close in another game. It's not all doom and gloom, and perhaps this game was the final nail on the coffin of some players that obviously shouldn't be starting. A good centre pairing would have made many things look better today. Also what's wrong with Willie? Geez, he couldn't make a single good decision today. That silly chip to allow a mark was ridiculous. That fact it was a little dink of a kick made it all the easier to catch too.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:14
#131
10 Sept 2023, 18:14#131

"I am not happy with that performance, France and Ireland would have beaten the Boks today.

I think so too."


Erm, difficult to say...let's see whay Ireland can do, France wasn't that inspiring in their victory over NZ...Ireland leaked  one against Romania...we kept  Scotty out.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:16
#132
10 Sept 2023, 18:16#132

The halfbacks were garbage. The centres were poor. The back three were poor. The loose trio Was poor. The starting front row wasn't exactly great. Some poor calls settled the Boks in the first half, and some lack of composure from the Scots. We never looked like a top 6 side for 80 minutes. Scotland lacked poise and patience in the second half. Don't be fooled, this Bok side was exceedingly poor.

@Draht: France looked World class in a top level test. We looked like an unfit bunch of unintelligent plodders in a very average test. Big difference. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:29
#133
10 Sept 2023, 18:29#133

France's pack was good, especially the back row , but they don't look like world champions just yet 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 18:31
#134
10 Sept 2023, 18:31#134

Well, we look tier 2 by comparison. That's not to insult tier 2 teams, because a lot of them play a sophisticated and well coached brand of rugby. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Sept 2023, 19:00
#135
10 Sept 2023, 19:00#135

It's hilarious to read through the posts. I could have told you before the game the players who would come in for criticism. Yes of course it had to be Du Toit and Allende and of course Moz has never liked Malherbe ever since he discovered Mike knows the parents. 

Mallet was right when he said the Bok defence was outstanding. He believed this was a good start for the Boks with things they could also work on. 

I have to mention that if you scroll through the posts and just read the nonsense poor Deus posts you will realize two things. Firstly, he doesn't understand the game and secondly having had his nonsensical comments shredded so many times he now thinks his only redemption will be if the Boks crash. That is his big hope. All the years of bad call etc will all disappear. 

Plum wisely notes the Scots are not a bad side. Poor Deus needs to learn from his rugby betters. Hahahahahahaha. 

Mallet and Frans both said Eben is a key forward so here is hoping. 


DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 19:12
#136
10 Sept 2023, 19:12#136

Mallet is a clown. Better than the snake oil salesman, but a clown none the less. Our defence was open all game long. Our set pieces were shaky. We didn't do anything particularly well. Even Snyman got stuffed a couple go times! Damian was see going sideways with several Boks driving him forward. Libbok was a turnstyle with little vision or skill. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
10 Sept 2023, 19:22
#137
10 Sept 2023, 19:22#137
Very scrappy game….Bok defence held strong but our mid field combination of AE and Moodie is better …if rassie starts laurel and hardy again, we in trouble….Libbok still missing vital points but his kick pass was perfect….our pack as usual did the Brunt of the work…we will have to do better if we want to win The top teams.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Sept 2023, 19:32
#138
10 Sept 2023, 19:32#138

Scotland beat france 3 weeks ago and almost beat them again 2 weeks ago in Paris...this is a very good Scottish outfit and we beat them fair and square...solid performance,  I don't get all the doom and gloom.

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
10 Sept 2023, 19:37
#139
10 Sept 2023, 19:37#139

Just a question, how strong was the French team they fielded in those games, was it their strongest team (excluding injuries)

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,224 posts
10 Sept 2023, 19:56
#140
10 Sept 2023, 19:56#140

Can someone phone Rassie, SARFU, Malherbe's father, or Meyer Boesman's mother - anyone, we need to get rid of Delande? Esterhuizen offers much more.

Kriel does appear to understand the defensive system. but we need more on attack. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
10 Sept 2023, 20:02
#141
10 Sept 2023, 20:02#141
I'm not 100% but I think France may have been close to full strength for the first game. So, let's count... Oz, Wales, ABs, Argies, Scotland... All teams we beat this year who couldn't do much to us. Today's side wasn't a full strength one and we saw off a very solid Scotland without too much trouble. A decent centre paring may has seen us best them by 25 instead of 15. Could have been a 20 point victory if Manie didn't fall apart again too. I'm personally quite happy with where we are. Beating one of the better teams without having to hit 6th gear.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
10 Sept 2023, 20:03
#142
10 Sept 2023, 20:03#142
If we see off Ireland in a few weeks...would we then be happy?
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 20:04
#143
10 Sept 2023, 20:04#143

To improve the attack we must sack Erasputin and install a new coach. To improve the attack the entire n needs to be rebuilt from scratch. Every facet dovetails together. You can't merely "make the attack better" without affecting the overall patterns and systems, and overall philosophy of the team.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Sept 2023, 20:12
#144
10 Sept 2023, 20:12#144

"Just a question, how strong was the French team they fielded in those games, was it their strongest team (excluding injuries)"

The first match in Scotland was against a second string French side...the second one in Paris was against the full strength team...Scotty is better than some on here would like to think...the Paddies are nervous,  that's for sure.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 20:19
#145
10 Sept 2023, 20:19#145

Scotland were not prepared to take this unique test. As I predicted. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
10 Sept 2023, 20:49
#146
10 Sept 2023, 20:49#146
Lol VisKoP I swear the entire country and every Bok fan everywhere agrees on one thing...DDA should be dropped!
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
10 Sept 2023, 20:55
#147
10 Sept 2023, 20:55#147

Damian is a problem, but why now? He is the best he has ever been. He is now becoming a scapegoat for the wider problems and Erasputin's failings. Why not Steph? Libbok? Faf? Kolisi? Arendse? Lood? Malherbe? It's too common for one player to be made a scapegoat. Replacing Damian with Esterhuizen won't improve how the team functions. It'll only improve the quality from 12. People just don't want to admit that the Boks overall are simply not that good, and that Erasputin hasn't improved any aspect of Bok rugby. 

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
10 Sept 2023, 21:08
#148
10 Sept 2023, 21:08#148

The first match in Scotland was against a second string French side...the second one in Paris was against the full strength team

I'm kinda baffled as to why anyone puts any emphasis on world cup warm up matches.

Scotty is better than some on here would like to think...the Paddies are nervous,  that's for sure.

Scotland are indeed better than some think but Ireland are a step above them. As for nerves, sure, still expect us to win though.


MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
10 Sept 2023, 21:27
#149
10 Sept 2023, 21:27#149

Rassie is the DJ... don't sack a winning DJ.... as long as he's there let him continue.

He looks a bit ill though up there in the coaches box,he had mos an autoimmune disease last World Cup. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
10 Sept 2023, 21:29
#150
10 Sept 2023, 21:29#150

Libbok is as I said before, nothing but another Elton who is out of his league.

The first two kicks he duffed any decent #10 would have converted.

Absolutely beyond belief.

How many more games do we have to suffer through with him at #10 before the penny drops?

Sure he had one or two good kicks for the wingers to catch and one try came form those two plays but the Springboks need post kicks to be made not blown.

Mike's buddy in the front row once again had a poor game.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Sept 2023, 21:58
#151
10 Sept 2023, 21:58#151

Malherbe was the weakest of our props today..  the two bomb squad guys did the business, but it was mostly destabilizing the Scottish tightheads. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Sept 2023, 04:53
#152
11 Sept 2023, 04:53#152

AJ, Pollard is injured...who should play 10 for the Boks if not Manie?

Moz, backline posers should not opine about the dark arts of front rowing. 

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
11 Sept 2023, 06:05
#153
11 Sept 2023, 06:05#153

https://www.planetrugby.com/news/south-africa-player-ratings-siya-kolisi-and-bomb-squad-shine-in-win-over-scotland


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
11 Sept 2023, 06:19
#154
11 Sept 2023, 06:19#154
Manie's kicking is 100% a mental thing. Some of the kicks he's missing are one's a schoolboy would slot. He's a far better kicker than he's kicking for the Boks. His defence is also concerning. Missed a howler against the ABs and was leaky last night too. I'm rooting for him but we left something like 12 points on the field yesterday.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
12 Sept 2023, 07:34
#155
12 Sept 2023, 07:34#155

Yep, I said before this world cup that Libbok will cost us ... I have just not been convinced at all, and I hope he easily proves me wrong

In a close game against AB's, France or Ireland, he could be a huge liability

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
12 Sept 2023, 09:52
#156
12 Sept 2023, 09:52#156

After reflecting, I actually think I am being too hard on Manie.....

He doesn't deserve it .. my bad 

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