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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Oct 2014, 10:52
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30 Oct 2014, 10:52#1

Just areminder from Koe as to how good this guy is.

Marnitz Boshoff is too good to be ignored as a national squad member, writes MARK KEOHANE inBusiness Day newspaper.

The Lions flyhalf, who is equally comfortable at fullback, gave another reminder of his range of skills as the Lions ended the Cheetahs' Currie Cup aspirations.

Boshoff was the Lions' standout player in this season’s Super Rugby and his form earned him a Springbok call-up for the June internationals. Injury cut short Boshoff’s impact but his form in the Currie Cup has been imposing and influential.

Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer’s first choice is Handré Pollard – and on this count there can be no argument. Meyer identified Pollard as a 15-year-old and the Cape-based teenager committed to the Bulls as a first professional destination.

Meyer has always believed Pollard to be a special player, but he no doubt thought Pollard’s breakthrough year would come a year after the 2015 World Cup. Fortunately it has come a year before rugby’s global showpiece.

But injury ends a player’s season very quickly and amid the hype of Pollard’s arrival, it’s equally important to ensure the reserve depth is functioning and equally capable of delivering at international level.

Meyer’s Bok insurance policy since 2012 has been Morné Steyn, the boy he turned into a man at the Bulls. Meyer converted Steyn from a No 12 to a 10 and ensured he turned his goal-kicking into a profession that would define his Test and Super Rugby career.

Steyn, in the past month has been cast the villain of Bok rugby on the basis of a missed touch from a penalty, the consequence of which was an Australian try-scoring counter-attack and last-minute 24-23 win in Perth.

Steyn was axed and Pollard was given a start against the All Blacks in New Zealand. The rest isn’t quite history, but Pollard retained the starting role against the Wallabies and All Blacks in South Africa. And he has blossomed.

The Test jersey is his to lose, rather than keep. Legendary Bok flyhalf master and SuperSport analyst Naas Botha said Pollard would be the Bok flyhalf for the next 10 years if he remained fit. He is easily the most complete of the South African flyhalf prospects.

But in Boshoff, Meyer may just have a younger and potentially better version of Steyn, whose season has turned dramatically for the worse. He is down on confidence, down in the Bok pecking order behind Pollard and Pat Lambie and potentially out of contract at Stade Français, who want an early release for Steyn.

Boshoff’s domestic form will only add to the complications of Steyn’s immediate international future. I still believe Meyer will be loyal to Steyn when it comes to World Cup selection. You don’t dump such international experience and any player who has scored 31 points in a Test against the All Blacks has a quality to his game.

Steyn can play Test rugby, but he can’t do what Pollard does to trouble the defence. And he doesn’t quite have the all-round attacking game of Boshoff.

Lambie has been given starts at flyhalf for the Boks in the Meyer tenure but was more adequate than awesome. His greatest contribution has come in the last two Tests, when he produced his most inspiring 20 minutes of Test rugby against the Wallabies in Cape Town.

His last-minute 55m penalty kick to beat the All Blacks at Ellis Park also ensures that while he is not the starting favourite he is also not the forgotten man of Bok rugby.

Boshoff is also not going to be easily forgotten if he continues to play as he has done all season. His versatility in playing 10 and 15 is an advantage and there is no substitute for his goal-kicking accuracy.

Bonus-point tries may prove the difference in winning the Rugby Championship but goal-kicking wins World Cups.

Johan Goosen (in France) and Elton Jantjies (in Japan) are another two gifted Bok No 10s. Let’s not dismiss their claims or their youthfulness. Both have played Test rugby and both are still in their early 20s. Their overseas stints will mature their game and they provide impressive cover to the likes of Pollard, Lambie and Boshoff, who will be critical to the Lions Currie Cup title aspirations.

The Lions, in dismantling the Cheetahs, are favourites to play Western Province in the Currie Cup final.

And if they are to win it – and they’ve been my favourites from the outset – Boshoff will be among the reasons they’d have done it.

Well Boschoff short of game dowm and battling with a swirling wind came u nstuck. I believe the Lions managment will in future send their kickers dowma  day ealrier to practice at Newlands and get used to conditions.

No a quality player short on game time cannot be trashed by one poor kicking display in the wind.



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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
30 Oct 2014, 10:57
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30 Oct 2014, 10:57#2
 I would rather see Boshoff there than Morne, without a doubt.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Oct 2014, 10:59
#3
30 Oct 2014, 10:59#3
 One of many missed opportunities to really test who should be there.
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
30 Oct 2014, 11:03
#4
30 Oct 2014, 11:03#4
Morne must have some seriously compromising photo's of Meyer.  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2014, 14:30
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30 Oct 2014, 14:30#5

This is truly, awesomely stupid. Morne comes on and kicks the penalty that saves us against the Bargies....he also makes the instant pass that gets Hendriks over in the corner. He plays a solid enough game against Oz....and then, by some quirk of fate he makes a mistake. He doesn't get the ball into touch on a penalty. OZ has 65 metres to go....and we cant defend it. Not a word is said about the poor defence....Morne is the loser.

 

 

So now we would rather have the guy who missed three sitters because he choked....yes that's the right word, choked. The choker rather than the guy who can knock them over at the death under all the pressure in the world. Why, because Boshoff is a great attacking flyhalf? Morne is a far better passer than this clunker.

 

 

South African fans really lose the plot.

 

 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Oct 2014, 14:36
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30 Oct 2014, 14:36#6

The biggest insults in the squad are the inclusions of pathetically useless Morne and Steenkamp, closely followed by Pienaar, Bakkies and Matfield.

 

The 3 flyhalves should always have been Pollard, Goosen and Lambie.......given this fact, there was never going to be a place for Boshoff. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2014, 14:45
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30 Oct 2014, 14:45#7

Well it's nice to see you finally have Pollard at the top of the list> As late as mid September he was nowhere:

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Oct 2014, 14:49
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30 Oct 2014, 14:49#8
Coward, t here is little to choose between Pollard, Goosen and Lambie.....I'd be more than happy with any of them starting 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2014, 14:50
#9
30 Oct 2014, 14:50#9
 Mozart
Although I agree with you about Boshoff - I do not agree wth your assessment.   Morne has been a serial offender when it comes to missing touch with a penalty - he is not the loser because of that one insatnce - he has had 7 of hose in the 9 previosu matches. 
But Steyn having a solid enough game against Australia is not supported by anything - just have a look at his stats:-
Steyn0/0188/9/0000018/70/010/0  No ball carries - kicked a ball direcly into touch once - making 8 tackles and missing 7 - giving away a penalty - those are all the signs of a piss-poor display.   The missed line kick from a penalty was for the Aussies just the icing on the cake.  
And much has been said about him saving the Boks against the Argentinians - but was that kick as difficult as the one Lambie had to kick against the AB's - the one which you said was not a pressure kick?   I doubt it very much.   
Boshoff is a player - like Francois  Steyn and Morne Steyn - whose only real asset is to kicking at goal.  So which of the two Steyns and Bohoff is the better player?  Defineitely  Boshoff - at last he can defend - something Morne and Francois has serious problems with.  Should Morne be in the squad?  Definitely not - if they needed another flyhalf in the squad Boshoff would have been the better option.       

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Oct 2014, 14:52
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30 Oct 2014, 14:52#10
Any clown who sees a positive in the inclusion of Morne, should be shot  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2014, 15:03
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30 Oct 2014, 15:03#11

There is little to choose between Goosen and Pollard? Well you see that shows just how little grasp you have of what makes for a succesful test player. Pollard  lifts us over the ABs....Goosen plays behind Sexton for a French club, and the moron still doesn't get it. There is no hope for you Vetsak.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2014, 15:17
#12
30 Oct 2014, 15:17#12
Incidentally is the French Club who did not renew their contract with Fat Fransie - so it was OK for Fatso to play for them and get credited - but not for Goosen.
Saturday  Racing Metro is playing a game against  Oyonnax in the Top 14 and since that day falls outside of the November test window - it would be interesting to see whether Goosen starts for them.   Chances are he will - and if his last two starting games for the club is anything to go by - he would have a cracker game.   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2014, 15:18
#13
30 Oct 2014, 15:18#13
Goosen the dream that never ends.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2014, 15:21
#14
30 Oct 2014, 15:21#14
 For you IU assume a nightmare.   
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
30 Oct 2014, 15:28
#15
30 Oct 2014, 15:28#15

I would like to add to the judgement on Morne Steyn.


Take away his goal kicking and what does he offer?


Some may suggest that he has a good pass, but a good pass alone means nothing, firstly you need to create hesitation in the opposition defence, something Steyn does no do, hence when he passes from deep, our midfield is already behind the gain line with defence that is lining them u as they simply drift from Morne to the next defender.


This in turn completely negates any potential overlap that could have been created, that means our midfield runs laterally to wards the sideline which in turn allows our wings no space on the outside.


Even when they attempt to run an inside line they are covered as the original defender on Steyn did not have to commit and they have an additional defender to defend on the inside pass or running line.


Morne hesitates when he wants to attack the line, and because he is on the back foot an too deep, without the necessary pcae from start he is always caught in defence, I cannot remember when if ever he had beaten a defender for pace or been able to break the line.


The only defender I remember he beaten was in open pla when he fended of an all black forward (can't remember who it was, could have been Retallic or Read)


By Having MOrne Steyn in the 10 position does tremendous damage to any potency our backline may have, and it is therefor understandable that we do one pass charge into the defence moves with him on the pitch.


As for his line kicking, in 2012 and 2013 as well as this year, missed line kicks near the end of the match has cost us a couple of games as he didn't hit touch with a penalty kick and then allowed the opposition to run at us.


So without his goal kicking, Morne Steyn is of no benefit to us.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2014, 16:00
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30 Oct 2014, 16:00#16
That all seems logical, but we scored long strike tries against the ABs last year. He got Hendriks in at the corner against the Bargies this year. The hesitation you are looking for comes because Morne is such an accurate tactical kicker...and he is expected to kick. So if he chooses to get the line away, the opposition defence is rarely flat.
Nobody is saying Morne is a great runner, or the best option if you want a running game. But in a tight game, as every RWC semi and final has been for at least the last 3 RWCs, he can be very effective...and of all our 10 s he is the most likely to slot the crucial penalty.
So what more does Boshoff offer. Very little if anything on attack, although he defends better. Still if you want a dead eye dick to bring on 10 minutes from the end,who would want Boshoff after that nervous collapse.
We are in great shape with Pollard, he is a tough nut. This is really a secondary issue, but this vitriol directed towards Morne is a bit unfair
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Oct 2014, 16:04
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30 Oct 2014, 16:04#17

Ooh look Lorna is informing me about the rights and wrongs of a flyhalf when the pathetic coward sees a positive in the inclusion of Morne

 

Hey coward do you wear the pants in that partnership?  

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
30 Oct 2014, 16:04
#18
30 Oct 2014, 16:04#18

 You can't judge Boshoff on one poor kicking performance when you are punting Morne Steyn who had kicked 50 odd percent of his kicks in 2012.


That is applying double standards

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Oct 2014, 16:06
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30 Oct 2014, 16:06#19
Its the cowards way Biltong......that's how he/she operates  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2014, 16:17
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30 Oct 2014, 16:17#20
 Mozart
If you say Morne is the following-
"The hesitation you are looking for comes because Morne is such an accurate tactical kicker...and he is expected to kick." 
His tactical kicking is wildly erratic and that is a fact.   So much so that in the famous Dunedin test - the commentators describe two of his kicks as BS - and that on the air.   His kicks are often enough way to far ahead to be effectiely followed up and that opens the way for the opposition to counter-attack.   Most of his kicks are basically handover-of-possession kicks.
The real eye-opener for me was that the NZ coaaching staff and supporters were not very happy when he was replaced by Pollard - with Lambie on the bench.   They immediately had to alter their defensive lines and really got buggered up in the process,   When Morne was there he was ignored by defenders who drifted out and went for the potential ball recipients behind the gain line.   
Being blinded by his kicking at goal - you see something in Morne that is just not there.   He does not have the goods t o be an international flyhalf - I said that when he was playing Junior rugby and anm still convinced of it today.   
   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2014, 16:17
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30 Oct 2014, 16:17#21
Morne has done it before at test level. Boshoff has never shown he can make those kicks when the chips are really down....he was wobbling in the semi. Morne had a technique issue in 2012, Marnitz has a nerves issue. You can fix the former, witness Monty....I know of no case where a nervous kicker ever puts that behind him. 
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
30 Oct 2014, 16:28
#22
30 Oct 2014, 16:28#22

 Mozart, you obviously missed the Super rugby games where he beat The Cheetahs by kicking 6/6, then the Stormers by kicking 7/7 plus 2 drop goals, then the Blus by kicking 7/7 plus 2 drops, then the Reds with 5/5, he beat the Bulls with 6/6 plus two drops.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2014, 16:49
#23
30 Oct 2014, 16:49#23

I saw some of those games BB...that was super human kicking. The guy is technically flawless. But that doesn't mean he has iron nerves in a huge game. I was at Twickenham when de Beer kicked the RWC semi into over time. Driving rain....40 metres out....into the wind. One felt he was going to make it....because he had iron nerves. I don't think Marnitz will ever have that kind of confidence in himself again.

 

But maybe I'm wrong....it's just what I think. Think Tiger Woods 2014  vs Tiger Woods 2000. The 2000 model knew he was going to sink a pressure putt, the 2014 model hopes he is going to sink the putt. The technique is the same, the nerves are shot.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2014, 20:37
#24
30 Oct 2014, 20:37#24
 Mozart
You apparently ahve a clear idea about how many games Morne won for the Springboks.  However, have you ever thought how many games he lost for the Springboks because of deficient performances - other than kicks at goal.   The same could be said about him playing for the Bulls.
Stade Francais contracted this guy paying him a small fortune.   Has he delivered the goods for them?   Only peropherally - he kicks at goal and was for them a bad buy.   If he is as good as you makehim out to be - why is he not the club's regular flyhalf and why have there been reports that the Club wants to get rid of him?
Morne made his name in 2009-10 through only one thing - acccurate kicking at goal.   Since then his kicking has been on the slide reaching a low point in 1012 - when his succes rate in tests was 46%.  Since he had nothing else to offer he was dropped from the Springbok team.
In 2013 there was a partial revival of his goal kicking form.  He got -
*   his successful conversion rate back to 80%; but*   unlike 2009-10 - drop kicks - which previously was part of his kicking repertoire - vanished from sight.
His general play always was at a level that can at best be describe as average - deterirorated to a totally unacceptable level.   This could have something to do with the age factor - he is over 30 already.   His tackling record in tests in 2013 reflected that he missed on average 20% of all attempted tackles in tests - this year it was 31%.   His decision-making was below par last year - worse this year.  
You are correct about Boshoff - he was poor in the CC final - but if I have to choose between only Boshoff and Morne - my choice will always be Boshoff.
 
       


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Oct 2014, 21:17
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30 Oct 2014, 21:17#25
 James Hunt, on 25 Oct 2014 - 6:23 PM, said:

Voor die game gesê 41kph wind.  Leeus skop te hoog pale toe jy kan sien hoe die wind die bal beweeg.

 

 

James Hunt, on 25 Oct 2014 - 6:36 PM, said:

Well done WP, the difference is a flyhalf schooled in kicking into the teeth of the wind..  Both teams played good rugby!

 

 

DbDraad, on 30 Oct 2014 - 8:38 PM, said:

Good flyhalf, had a bad game. The wind was bad. Did anyone care to compare the trajectory and height of the kicks between Kat and the Lions kickers?

 

From another forum, too lazy to type all that again. Pity for the Lions  the coach did not spot and correct it.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2014, 21:29
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30 Oct 2014, 21:29#26
 DbDraad
The coach was not alone - neither did anyone on the firm spotted it and then went on to crucify Boshoff.   Thanks for the info.       
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Oct 2014, 21:37
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30 Oct 2014, 21:37#27
 Mike, Boshof is better than Cruden. Watch this space.
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
30 Oct 2014, 22:03
#28
30 Oct 2014, 22:03#28

That's a big statement DB

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Oct 2014, 22:25
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30 Oct 2014, 22:25#29
 I know BB, but brilliant as Cruden is, he seems to fold every now and again when the pressure is on. Barret is a whole different kettle of fish though, best new prospect at 10 ATM, with Pollard having to say something about that yet...hopefully.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2014, 22:34
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30 Oct 2014, 22:34#30
Draad 
Please be considerate - the NZ members on this site - especially Brycy would have a fit if he reads your latest comment.   
I have seen Cruden flding under popressure - even ont eh recent Wellington test between the AB's and the Springboks - and have reservations about him.  I also prefer Barrett, but have seen him being horrible in some Super 15 matches this year.   
My view is that Slade is a better flyhalf then either of the two and is under-valued in new Zealand.   
However, Barrett is really a vry good flyhalf  in general - so you are probably justifid in your opinion of him.     

BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
30 Oct 2014, 22:39
#31
30 Oct 2014, 22:39#31

 I am going to respectfully disagree with you guys here.


YEs Cruden started this season poorly after his injury. BUt as a all round flyhalf he is still ahead of Barrett, he is tactically a much better kicker than Barrett and manages to control the game better than Barrett.


Barrett has improved his accuracy at kicking restarts, but at this moment in time he is a very potent impact player, he is very dangerous in open play where his pace sets him apart from Cru den, but he drifts in and out of 80 minutes.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
30 Oct 2014, 23:06
#32
30 Oct 2014, 23:06#32
DB: IMO Boshoff is good but not yet as developed as Cruden as player. Barrett is also not as developed as Cruden but IMO he will pass him one day. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2014, 23:18
#33
30 Oct 2014, 23:18#33
Hell Draad Okey Geffin, the most famous jewish Bok played for Transvaal and landed 5 out of 5 to beat the ABs at Newlands. And he spent most of his early rugby years in a German prisoner of war camp after being captured at Tobruk. ....trust a prop not to be fast enough. Still it was hardly  a picnic, but it didnt affect his nerves...nor his kicking at Newlands.
I watched hundreds of games at Newlands and the wind blows straight down the park most of the time. Maybe it's tough kicking into a S Easter , but with the wind should be no problem. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,293 posts
30 Oct 2014, 23:26
#34
30 Oct 2014, 23:26#34
Boschoff is a useful player but given that the Boks have our best depth in flyhalf in years, maybe ever- I dont think Boschoff should be in the team. Pollard is great, Lambie is good, and Goosen may return to his top form if he can get out of constant injuries
Cruden is 10 times the better player than Boschoff, as is Barrett and Pollard. 
I doubt Boschoff would make the step up to test level outside of games played in South Africa.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Oct 2014, 23:33
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30 Oct 2014, 23:33#35
 Lolz, only pulling your socks, but I think cruden can work on his tactical kicking for field position and his kicks for poles. He tends to go AWOL kicking for poles in some big games. One must also remember that he rarely plays in a team that results in him being under pressure. Boshof might be test quality, but he is still way too green and has allot to prove still.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Oct 2014, 23:34
#36
30 Oct 2014, 23:34#36
 PS, I think he deserves a shot ahead of goosen.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2014, 23:47
#37
30 Oct 2014, 23:47#37
Goosen is still measured by some of the runs he made in 2012....I can't say I can recall one memorable break in this years S15. Some good long kicking for sure, but nothing ball in hand.  
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Oct 2014, 00:30
#38
31 Oct 2014, 00:30#38
 There is something about Marnitz that I like. Lots of potential there methinks. He should move to WP. Cat is good but something missing with him and Coleman. I think MB might have something extra.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2014, 05:39
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31 Oct 2014, 05:39#39
 Mozart is a famous one for commenting on player performances in games he has not seen.    So I have looked at Goosen's performance stats in the 12 games he played for the Cheetahs this year and they read as follows:-

Goosen

1/0

140

107/232/65

227

2

12

11

12

81/16

3/0

6

2/0


*   Goosen only scored one try this year - but his points tally was 140 points for the Cheetahs
*   Goosen kicked the ball 107 times - passed it 232 times - carried it 65 times
*   Goosen made 227 meters in teh case where he carried the ball - an average of  3,5 meters gain per carry
*   He made 2 clear line breaks beating 12 tackles and off-loaded balls 11times in tackle situations
*   he lost ball possession 12 times.
*   He made 81 tackles - missing 16 for a missed tackle ratio of 16,5
*   He took 3 line out throw-ins and gave away 6 penalties
*   Was yellowcarded twice in the last two matches of the season.
The above showed some deficiencies - but it should also be borne in mind that he played behind a forward pack that never really was good enough.   It debunks the myth that he is afraid to take contact completely.   Noibody in the game carries the ball 65 times and make or attemt to make 97 tackles by avoidig contact.
Even though the above is not what we doi not expect from a quality flyhalf - statistically it is better by a very high margin than what Mozart's favourite - Francois Steyn - produced.    Take for instance ball losses - Goosen averaged 1 loss per game - Steyn's average is  2,5 losses per game.   Goosen's missed tackle ratio was 16,5% -  Steyn's was 27%.   Every other stat showed the same - Goosen handled the ball 404 times - resulting in -
*   107 times kicking the ball    -   26,48%*   232 times passing the ball   -   57,42%*     65 times carrying the ball  -   16,10%
If you look at Francois Steyn's similar figures - he kicked the ball 46% of the timePassed the abll 27% of the times and carried it 27% of the time.   That means that Steyn was a drag on the backline performances of the Sharks.   Goosen was involved in a Cheethas backline that scired more tries than the whole Sharks team scored in 2014 Super rugby.   
The whole story about Goosen being ineffective is crap dreamed up by his detractors.  No wonder Meyer rates him as a player.

     
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
31 Oct 2014, 07:30
#40
31 Oct 2014, 07:30#40
 
I don't rate Goosen as anything special. He's just another avergae Joe. There's a lot of them out there.

Boshoff must be included as our 3rd 10. He is special

Cruden may develop into something special but at this stage in time he's nowhere near a Carter or a Wilkinson.

 
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