Brendan Venter back at Saracens

"Well DB, you proving my point.

When the discussion gets uncomfortable, you stop debating and start insulting.

What you're doing is not debating...you twist things and misunderstand things and then give sermons on your opinions...I don’t have time for your k@k

If you really accept that not everyone believes the same things, then disagreement should not lead to name calling....namecalling?

Calling me “woke” just because I don’t share your religious views says more about your intolerance than anything I’ve written.

I am replying directly to what you said about religion and society. If you don’t want a debate, then don’t start one and then switch to insults when you don’t like the reply.

You say you are not the "dominee" here...then don’t act like one by deciding whose views are allowed and whose are not.

Another sermon...I'll pas.

DB what twisting are you talking about?? I am directly replying to what you actually said: which is more than one blanket claim.

Firstly you said it’s ingrained in every fabric of society. Secondly you said it’s not just a religion but a way of life.

Third, you said it’s not supposed to be separated from everyday life. None of these were framed as personal belief. They were presented as general truths.

I’m rejecting that. Don’t put your beliefs over my life and then act surprised when I push back!

For you, Christianity may be a way of life. For me, it isn’t. It’s not part of my fabric, it’s not inseparable from my life, and I don’t accept that I must “step back” to accommodate something I don’t believe in.

That's arrogance...plain and simple.

You say you “accept that not everyone believes the same things”, yet you frame your beliefs as if they apply to everyone.

Disagreeing with your blanket claims is not twisting words and it’s not a sermon. By saying that, your avoiding the point.

And calling someone “woke” because they don’t share your religious views is name calling, whether you like it or not.

If you had worded your views as personal opinion, I wouldn’t have replied at all. Instead you acted like "DB the Dominee" and stated them as fact. I pushed back. And you don't like the taste of your own "sermon" medicine. So, how do you like them apples??

I expressed an observation of how I see everyday South African society...Afrikaners in particular. I didn't condemned it, nor condone it...and it is a way of life...but I didn't say or imply that everyone should follow that...I actually said that many of us are curbing expressing that way of life not to offend others who believe differently. You can detest Christianity all you like, but they are 80 percent of the population. It looks like you expect us to curb our freedom of expression not to offend the 20%...It's not that you don't share my religious views that irks me, but the fact that you expect me to shut up about mine to accomodate yours, yet you feel entitled to express your views whenever and however you choose...that's the woke k@k I was referring to.

DB, you keep saying this is “just an observation”, but the way you word it matters.

Go and read it again...those are blanket statements, whether you like it or not.

For you, Christianity is a way of life. Great i'm happy for you. For me, it is not. I am Afrikaans too, and I do not live my life that way.

So don’t tell me this is “how society is” and then act surprised when I push back. I am just rejecting a claim that does not apply to me.

You say you are curbing expression to avoid offending others, yet you keep preaching your view as if it is neutral fact. Then why, for goodness sake are you complaining when i questioned it??

The “80 percent” argument is irrelevant. Being a majority does not turn belief into fact. It also does not give anyone the right to frame their worldview as the default that others must accommodate.

I am saying: own them as your own beliefs, not as universal truths.

I have not asked you to stop expressing your views. I have asked you to stop presenting them as something everyone lives by, or should live by.

Calling me “woke” because I disagree with you proves the point. You don’t know me, yet you take the liberty to judge and label me based purely on disagreement.

I am not “woke”, and disagreement is not an ideology. That kind of labeling isn’t debate, it’s a "Koeksister Conservative" mindset that conviently avoids the argument rather than addressing it.

So speak guy, as much as you like...but just keep your blanket claims and double standards, for yourself thank you very much.

If you want your beliefs respected, then extend the same respect to people who do not share them.

Yes preacher...you keep on repeating the same things and missing the point....whoosh!

OK Koeksister, as long as you keep your BS to yourself, I'm happy :)

Oh, pot a sock in it...

Fair enough.