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Bring back Jake White for boks

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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
13 Sept 2021, 14:22
#1
13 Sept 2021, 14:22#1

So we have a couple of distractors here on the board that is not a fan of Rassie, however, Rassie is sitting with his feet up back in SA whilst waiting for the outcome of his 'Leaked' video. 


While the boks got severely exposed for their one dimensional play and a bench of 6/2 and the worst impact player in the game. Jakes bulls were wiping the floor with the Saarks. It was one way traffic all the way. I know that the Currie Cup is nothing more than actual staff of curry restaurants playing in a Sunday league but you couldn't help notice how well the bulls varied their game. 


I have no problem with either Rassie or Jacque and still want them to be part of the boks. But we have to ask ourselves. Is the man holding the reigns the right person. Give that he never built a team from the ground up and only ever focussed on defence. He doesn't know what its like fronting up to the media or dealing with all the nuances of the modern game. Yes, he has been involved but never the spear head. 


For me the answer is simple, move Jacques back to defensive coach, bring Jake in to head up the boks and allow Rassie to continue in his role as director of Rugby. 


These guys have worked together in the past, Jake has an eye for talent, Jacques is great defensive coach, Rassie is a master strategist and so is Jake. But Rassie knows how to put structures in place and how to select the right players. 


We should do it now rather than later.


Either way, looking forward to see what Jake can do at the bulls in the Ultimate Championship 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2021, 14:34
#2
13 Sept 2021, 14:34#2
Fuck off
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
13 Sept 2021, 14:39
#3
13 Sept 2021, 14:39#3

I don't see what Josè has to offer. Nienaber is good, but expendable if you bring in Jake. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2021, 14:40
#4
13 Sept 2021, 14:40#4
Rassie is twice the coach Jake has ever been it’s not even close
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Sept 2021, 14:50
#5
13 Sept 2021, 14:50#5

Yeah he is ... perhaps he should put the pizza down and get himself some takkies ... 



AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
13 Sept 2021, 15:01
#6
13 Sept 2021, 15:01#6

There is no evidence of Josè contributing anything at all, certainly nothing positive. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2021, 15:27
#7
13 Sept 2021, 15:27#7
There is plenty of evidence you stupid prick Taking us from 7 to 1 Winning the RC Beating NZ in NZ Winning the WC Winning the Lions series How much more evidence do you need you profoundly stupid man?
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
13 Sept 2021, 15:39
#8
13 Sept 2021, 15:39#8

Well, hello Saffex, nice intro. No aggression what so ever. 

It seems all new coaches has that 18 month bubble where they bring in new energy and ideas before getting exposed. 

Rassie was on the right track as the boks were as low they could go under Coetzee, but then rebounded with very basic and simple rugby. it worked, we are world champs, but we need to progress. 

My fear is that we will not under the current game plan. 

Eddie Jones had the same problem where his Poms got battered a few seasons ago and again this season. 

I think Jake will add value. I love Rassie and glad his the director of Rugby as he has done so much in getting the best players playing for the boks as well as future boks, but I still think we need Jake

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2021, 15:45
#9
13 Sept 2021, 15:45#9
King for fuck sake we have just lost to Oz having just come off a series win against the Lions One would swear we had just lost 5 games in a row and the wheels had come off the way you girls are banging on about Talk about over reaction geez It’s also telling that Rassie is not with the squad and let’s face it our tactics have won us games up to now so it makes perfect sense that you don’t try fix something that is not broken Rassie is far too astute not to adapt so let’s see what happens
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
13 Sept 2021, 15:49
#10
13 Sept 2021, 15:49#10

Not 7th to 1st, 6th to 1st. Actually 6th to 5th in over a year. Beating only 4 top 5 opponents in 35 tests. But what exactly has he done in training? Nienaber is directly responsible for the core of the Bok game. What else? Everything Josè was said to be good at is well below standard.

Look at Unteromlett, making excuses for losing to the 7th ranked Aussies who most here said were utterly garbage. He himself said we are better man-for-man yet they outplayed virtually from 1 to 15. What a laugh. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Sept 2021, 15:51
#11
13 Sept 2021, 15:51#11

Rassie simply regressed to 1980s Bools Rugby…..which given our powerful pack always makes us competitive. But teams do find ways to respond. Face it we were close to losing against Wales and the Lions…..a mere bounce of the ball away from mediocrity.

In the meantime our back play has regressed disastrously. Our backs can’t even connect passes. 

What was new was the porous nature of our defence confronted with a few power backs like Kerevi. One has to ask whether Nienaber’s broader responsibilities have hurt our defence. In this sense both Dave and Corn are right.


But the long term damage Harrassmus is doing to our rugby doesn’t end with those points. He simply isn’t bringing along new talent. Our key players are still from the HM and Coetzee eras.


The chicken run, the disinterest in being the head coach, the video, the decline in our backline play…..all Harrrassmus. This man is mentally unsuited to running the ship long term….more of a short term turn around and get out of Dodge mindset.


The Boks deserve better.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
13 Sept 2021, 16:24
#12
13 Sept 2021, 16:24#12

Well, I have to agree that under Rassie we hardly use our backline to setup tries but rely on counter attack. 

We did really well in pushing the Australians back  some 20 to 30 meters with our defence, but there is a big problem in that with a clear overlap, we couldn't get any decent passes away for Nkosi when we had so much space.  What we ended up with bobbled grabs and loopy passes. With better handling and faster hands that would have been a sure try. 

I'm not saying we should throw everything away, but we need to evolve and fast

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2021, 17:00
#13
13 Sept 2021, 17:00#13
Rassie is far too astute not to have a plan He also has the respect and love of his players We were not beaten by Oz, we lost thanks to poor goal kicking 3 tries to 1 is emphatic enough, but what the hell happened to Pollards kicking is a mystery - shit two or three of them were easy As for Rassie not bringing in new talent what utter shit Gelant Fassi Kolbe Nkosi Willemse H Jantjies Hendrikse Ox Nche Dweba Nico Janse v Rensburg Wiese Kwagga du Preez twins
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Sept 2021, 20:12
#14
13 Sept 2021, 20:12#14

Which of those players started on Saturday….I’ll tell you Nkosi  and Mapimpi who you missed and nobody else. In his 4th year Harrassmus has contributed 2 starters. Hooray !

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2021, 22:05
#15
13 Sept 2021, 22:05#15
Well why on earth would you want to change Willie Kolbe Am de Allende Pollard Faf Kitshoff Mbonambi Marx Malherbe Etzebeth Lood RG PSDT Kolisi Vermeulen The only one that should be dropped is Mostert which was the case in the WC and would be the case now if PSDT was not injured The players listed are our best and in their prime Why would you drop them? Rassie is spot on
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Sept 2021, 22:11
#16
13 Sept 2021, 22:11#16

So you admit it’s HM/Coetzee’s team and Naas Botha’s tactics. Harrassmus has been a distant caretaker.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2021, 22:24
#17
13 Sept 2021, 22:24#17
Nope Coetzee had nothing to do with Am, he dropped Faf, never regularly started Kitshoff, Marx, Mbonambi, Lood, Kolisi or started PSDT at flank Rassie has it almost spot on with his selections and our game has nothing to do with Naas Botha’s tactics Just had a look at Coetzee’s Bok side that played Wales at the end of 2017 Only Pollard, Kitshoff, Etzebeth, Lood and Kolisi started from the Bok side that lost to Oz this weekend
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2021, 16:43
#18
15 Sept 2021, 16:43#18

Apparently Dave… young White talent hardly exists for Harrassmus. Firstly the du Preez twins were introduced by Coetzee, so take them off your list.

That leaves a massive twelve players he has introduced, of which 9 are players of color/ quota choices.

And two of the three white kids are loosies. Apparently we have ceased to produce white talent in all the other positions. Which totally belies the fact that roughly 2/3s of the national team are white.

My point is not to criticize players of color who by and large deserve their places in the team….but to point out Erasmus’ new selections are largely intended for bench and political duty…..while the team itself are tried and tested stalwarts passed down to him.

The man is not building our resources.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Sept 2021, 17:44
#19
15 Sept 2021, 17:44#19

Embarrassingly fickle...the Saffa way.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Sept 2021, 18:07
#20
15 Sept 2021, 18:07#20

Coetzee introduced Am. But Unteromlett, being a Pom, naturally has very little knowledge of South African rugby. Frankly, I'm losing faith in my ability to educate the dear child. I think a specialist is needed to remedy his Behinderung. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Sept 2021, 20:35
#21
18 Sept 2021, 20:35#21

Seriously….bring back Jake White with Nienaber back on defence. Rassie can be South Africa’s rugby ambassador to Munster,

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Sept 2021, 20:41
#22
18 Sept 2021, 20:41#22

I think Kolisi can be the water boy and José can be Jake's luggage boy. Or better yet, he can be the mascot for a half-time show seeing as he likes attention. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Sept 2021, 22:53
#23
18 Sept 2021, 22:53#23

Well Dave the way the Boks are playing it won't be five games lost on the trot but four.

I have to admit that the Boks left their game plan on the bus to the stadium and never looked like the Boks we wished for.

The reasons are not clear but how about selection, coaching and motivation of the squad.

We need a Pienaar, Smit, Teichman (hope I spelt it correctly) leader at the helm who leads by example and who can inspire, motivate and deliver when the chips are down.

Like one blogger on this forum stated: "When the opposing teams forward are faster than your backline you have a problem".

With the present squad including the coaches I cannot see the Boks even making a game of the two remaining games against the All Blacks.

They are going to be thrashed by the All Blacks.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
19 Sept 2021, 10:04
#24
19 Sept 2021, 10:04#24

Ja, so looks like the wheels are coming off again. 

Saffex was right about the squad. Absolute shambles right now. I have to say that our fringe players or should I say quota had come back to bite us. Orie should never even be in the squad. Herschel Jantjies completely imploded today. He had been poor at the stormers and seem to do well when coming as replacement but Reinach would have been better.

Then the bench, 6 forwards and 3 loose forwards. What game are they playing towards. Thought that the goals was to have a world class tight five.

Could du sac de allenda just keeps tractoring up the field. 

They need Rassie desperately, both as a motivational person that know how to get the players to believe as well as his tactics. 

Right now, Jake looks like a good bet

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Sept 2021, 10:45
#25
19 Sept 2021, 10:45#25

José Erasmus is not the answer; he is the very reason why we are in this mess. Don't fall for his foul ploy of leaving Krutch to be the scapegoat. José is to blame, as he is clearly the one in charge and running the show. But, that's not how José likes it. He wants to be involved enough to suck up all the glory, but to keep the door ajar to make a hasty retreat and dump his mess in the lap of someone else. This man is the worst kind of head coach we have ever had. Making the players feel more smiley is just compounding traditional SA weakness. Will the players be strong enough for the reality check of a real head coach now? As we have seen in the past, Saffers like to be molly cuddled. 

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