Nobody is downplaying the significance of the try.
But we are talking about DDA being slow.
As I mentioned before, he's on the slow side for even a loose forward. Roos is faster than he is, so is Kwagga.
In his early days he had a bit of speed, but I feel like he's lost most of it.
AE as retained his pace, and his power.
How the h ell dop you kno that Plum. De Allende scored tries when long distance attacks took place - and Englebrecht is ten tes slower than him. De Allende would beat Esterhuizen by 20 meters in a 100 meter race, By the way look at the second try and where Esterhuizen scored - he was nowhere near the action and De A llende a much reaaderof the game would have been at the breakdown point to prevent the scoring of the try.
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There is absolutely no way AE is quicker than DA not even close I don’t reckon
DA has shown pace in his time, AE never
I think one only needs to look at them to pretty much work out which is the quicker - it’s fucking obvious
One does not need CHAT
Mike, whatever you wrote, I won't read it because you don't respect anyone enough to fix your retarded spelling...when it's well within your power to do so.
That is classical Drrrraaaaad thinking…we are trying to assess Dud’s speed. I give an example and he turns it into an attack on the try. Another attempt at arguing by guilt trip.
I'm way past arguing...I shouldn't even bother...there's plenty of examples of his acceleration in the video I posted ...some of the clips quite recent...ignored...it really is a waste of time to try and convince anyone who's mind is already made up...I've seen it all before...it's fine, I can live with the fact that there are people with different opinions than my own...
Spot on Draad this notion that DA is slow is a complete joke or that AE is faster - no chance in hell
Lest we forget this gem of lazy running and lack of awareness from the best 12 in the business gifting a try to Goodhue.
Yes Pakie...he fuck up at times...that is not in dispute...the software isn't always the best.
Draad
You are wasting your time posting anything positive on De Allende. Members like Plum and Mozart do not see what they do not want to see and Mozart is quite open about it and admitted as such,
Mozart has a history about false description on what happened in matches and when chalengd on one story fo his he claimed he is the best rugby evaluator in the world and see things others do not see.
His description of an incident in the WRC final in 2019 was totally false - he invented a try-scoring opportunity that never existed and Involved Le Roux carrying a ball for about 8 meters - claiming that Willie made a clean break and carried the ball 30 meters. He then claimed that De Allende did not run for Willie to pass the ball.- the problem was that on either side of Willie was ford and Farell leaving no space for him to run into. Willie got the ball on the 10 meter line and was tackled by Ford before he reached the 22 meter line. When Willie got tackled De Allende protected the ball and got it back for the Spimgboks to launch another attack. So it was the tyical kind of BS only Mozart ca come up with.
The fact is you are wasting your time posting anything positve about De Allende. Plum would not even look at it and keepmaking statements about pace and other things he invented is bad is all he would keep repeaing on site,
The first match I saw Esterhuizen played in was the Under 20 WC Final and the icident that caused the Under 20 team the match stood out for me that the ball was passed to Estehuizen - a very clean pass and not difficult to catch with an open tryline before him. He knocked on the ball and the opportunity was gone with the Junior Boks lost th final 20-19.
Esterhuizen was given the opportunity to play in tests in 2019. He was strong - but slow and in the period 2019 to date he never scored a try fpr the Springboks, However, it could have been different - a similar incident as described above happened and he repeated the same thing knocking on the ball passed to him.
If pace is what they require for replacement of De Allende it would be Willese - he is faster than De Allende and is twice as fast as they clam Esterhuizen is, The fact remains Esterhuizen is a fringe test player aaaaaand onl selected to play for the Spingboks when other players are not available or are being rested,
Personally I am sure that Erasmus still sees the future no 12 being Willemse, Same as happened in 2019 - since Engelbrecht is one-dimensinal and not a thinking player - a good franchise player - but definitely not test material.
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Pakie
Another example where one incident in a match is career-defining and that is all you remember about De Allende. Because of that incdent he is useless, What a discovery!!!
There are plenty of evderpove that what Mozart, Plum, Mpower and Pakie came up is total BS and not worthy of any further comment on BS is normally quite similar. Reason e provide proof and you on sht you dream up/
I believe what real rugby experts say about De Allende and and Du Toit - - not the prejudced shit the four of you came up with. I think that Erasmus and Browne knows more about rugby than you lot and accept the comments you write as B S you dreamed up.
One incident doesn't define him, but the pattern of him being lazy following play in defense has cost us during his career. In the example above he needed to stay between Beauden and the inside support. Instead he doddled after play like there was no trouble brewing. Goodhue, demonstrating the required urgency to fit the situation, blazed past him for an easy pass receive and an open tryline.
Mike your obsession with me is amusing, but do try to be just a little honest in your attacks. As for your example, that was exactly the same thing Pakie just posted about….Dud Allende showed no urgency in backing up Willie. He was 5 metres behind. If Allende did then what Goodhue did in Willie’s example it was try time.
These patterns seem to repeat themselves….he doesn’t learn. The Mo’unga honor guard he provided while the AB 10 cut us open, was exactly the honor guard he provided Nonu in 2015, resulting in Barrett’s match winning try.
Exactly, Pakie.
One of DDA's major downfalls is the unforced errors. The thing coaches hate, when you don't control the controllable.
Imagine guys like Roos/Willemse/Kwagga/AE in that exact same position. Hanekom will break off his own arm and chuck it at someone if it'll help the teams's cause. You know they're all gonna be giving it everything like mad Vikings chasing their doom into Valhalla's gates. That's what I want from every player on the field - frothing at the mouth and leaving everything on the field.
Everybody here watches all the Bok games. My subconscious is so chock full of images of DDA jogging behind play that it astounds me when people are surprised by instances like the above. When I think of DDA, stuff like that is basically all my mind conjures up.
Sachas try after he got tackled out of the air last weekend...you're having an absolute laugh if you think DDA would have been there like DDP was to receive the backhand pass from Sacha after the break.
Then you look at the diminutive chaps like Kolbe and Arendse. There's never a question about their commitment. Not a sniff of a hint of a thought that they may not be giving it 200% in every single game they play.
For me, when I zoom out, I look at the most of the Boks and its warrior after warrior. And then I look at DDA and I just can't figure out why he's even there. I really can't.
By the way, Moz made a comment on here once after/during a game against Oz...
The one where Eben held up against a couple of Ozzies, and offloaded to DDA to dive over for the try.
Moz commented that DDA's celebration was that of a man feeling the pressure.
I don't know if you remember the comment, Moz...but when people can read subtleties like that, then you know the more obvious stuff is a cakewalk.
It's actually rather amusing. Dave has to rely the "fog of rugby" and dress it in double layers of the Emperor's new clothes simply to support his arguments about basics...while at the other you have guys that are capable of seeing directly though everything and divining the complicated without even trying.
Lol it takes a lot of people to make a world
Mozxart
I am hones and trold yu eaxactl what you said about De A llene in the past and your insistence that you do not want to see anything positive about De A lelnce and Du Toit.
Fofr the record AE is a tackler that miss far re tackles than D e A llende did nd I saw some strong tackles in th e apst f him in many matches. Let me just remind you in 5 tests in 2018 Esterhuizen played in he made 22 tackles and missed 5. In a corresponding 5 tests in 2018 against stronger opposition De Allende made 42 tackles and missed 5. You can go and check the stats in those matches.
In 2019 RWC Du Toit and De Allende wrecked the attacks of the English backline in the final after they played havoc with the AB 's in the semi-final.
There is one thing you missed ot in and that is that AE is NOT a thinking player - in numreous matches this year for ths Sharks he was out of fhe defenssive line - he was often standing around outside the defending line. Go and check those matches videos yourself,
The fact is that rugby experts rate De Allende the best 12 in the world and I believe them not the shitspreaders on site. It is the same story you had abou Du Toit - despite the fact that experts rated him twice as Player of the Year, So keep on dreaming of hings that never happen in matches and find out why in 22 matches Esterhuizen never scored a try. In the one case in a test he played in in 2018 he repeated what he did in the under 20 WC final where he also played at 12 - he knocked on perfect passes to him in similar fashion.
One thing I am happy about - we do not have you and a few other site members selecting the Springbok team - there would have been no trophies won ever if that was the case.
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Youa assessment of players can best be described as supreme shit - you are prejudiced and see nothing positve in plasyers you dislike ad imagine things in the case of the players you like, .
Mike...I still refuses to read anything you write until you fix your spelling.
So stay as dumb as you really are in supporting a dead head to play at 12.
I bet that dead head spells better than you do...
‘There is one thing you missed ot in’…..make up your mind is it out or is it in, the lady can usually answer the question.
Mike’s head is beyond dead, it’s mummified
Mike's head is fine...his eyes are letting him down of late.
Because I belief in truth and not daydreams and illusions I am nort acceptable to the BSers on site, I do not hate any players - I just belief in what really is performance -related, For once I wil tell you one thing - the fact that Esterhuizen never scored a try is mainly related to his inability to read games and he is not where the action really is,
Mike...I still refuses to read anything you write until you fix your spelling.
What's the fuss with 63 posts already around the header when ButtPlug has it sorted with Roos playing at 12?
Roos next to Sacha.....WOW!
Everyone agree with our boy genius Hmmmm?
What shade of lipstick didn't work out for you today, Denise?
Roos next to Sacha.....WOW!
I just realised you alway use that gif, Denise.
Kindly keep you fantasies in your mind, where they belong.
I'd ask you why Roos couldn't play at 12, but we already know you never watch rugby...yet still hand about here.
Quickly copy and paste another article for us.
ChatGPT
Query: Do an assessment of the ability of a fast and strong loose forward in rugby to play in the 12 position. Create a feasibility report
This report evaluates the feasibility of converting a fast, strong loose forward (flanker or No. 8) to the inside centre (12) position in rugby union. While there are some overlapping physical attributes and tactical skills, there are also significant positional differences that affect suitability. The transition is feasible but would require targeted skill development, particularly in handling, kicking, and spatial awareness.
Current Position: Loose Forward (Flanker / No. 8)
Key Attributes:
Proposed Position: Inside Centre (12)
Key Role Requirements:
Several players have successfully transitioned between forward and backline roles:
These examples suggest it is not uncommon to mold physically dominant players into inside centres, especially in systems favoring crash ball and direct running.
This transition is most feasible in teams that:
Less suited to:
A fast, strong loose forward has several physical and mental attributes that can translate well to the inside centre role. With deliberate development in technical backline skills and game sense, the position switch is feasible and could offer a dynamic edge, especially in teams prioritizing direct, physical midfield play.
Note without any particular prompting, it suggests that a power based team will benefit the most from this type of positional switch.
When you look at the skill set required for a 12 at the top level, you notice that Roos already has numerous to a high level.
Outside of kicking, this feasibility report is basically saying that the Boks should ply a loosie at 12.
Of particular note = his transition is most feasible in teams that:
I'm ready for your rebuttal, Denise...
The above is pure BS as expected, Fact is the only center that made a serious impact in tests in which Sacha played was De Allende and he showed enough pace to make a meaningful contriution to Sacha in the Aussie test, Looking at videos of strings of matches there is no doubt that De Allende is a better defender with more pace than Esterhuizen.
This was proved by stats as well. In 2018 Esterhuien played in 5 tests and made 22 tackles and missed 5 tacles, In 5 tests against stronger opposition De Allende made 42 tackles missing 5. Those are factual figures and none of those change since then,
Erasmus gave Esterhuizen opportunities to prove himself in 2018 and 2019 but in 2019 Erasmus left him out of the 2019 RWC squad and when Kriel was injured Erasmus called up Wilemse and played him at center against minor teams. Since then Esterhuizen was selected for the 2023 RWC and allowe to play in matches against Gergia and Tonga, If he was a half-decent center with sufficient pace he had the opportunity to at least score a try agains very weak opposition. In fact Esterhuizen in 22 tests never came near to scoring any try - bar in one case whee he knocked on a good pass to him with an open tryline ahead of him.
There are two deficencies in Esterhuizen and those are rugby thinking ability and lack of pace, He is rarely in a position to be part of an attacking team aince he is not where he shoud have been - that being the explanation of his inability to score tries - and his pace deficiency, When in 2024 Erasmus and Brown started to change the way the Springboks attack teams they gave Esterhuizen a chance to play at 12, Dumbo got red-carded and banned for 4 matches as a result. So in the test the Springbok had to play with 14 players, Sacha was playing in the test and if Esterhuien was not dumb he would have shown it in that test, All he did was to show idiocy in playimg.
Another comment by a rugby expert in 2024 was that when De Alledne played for the Sringboks they win more matches than they lose - when he does not they lose more matches than they win. I am no expert - neither are any of the site members - so I believe in what experts came up with and not the drivel people came up with on site, There is zero proof that Esterhuizen adds more pace than De Allende - fact is videos indicate othersise,- so that factor is unproved by facts, What is clear though that De Allende is where the action is with the result he can score tries - Esterhuizen is not, The difference cannot be of pace alone - it also indicates reading of the match and being in a podition where he can score tries or contributes to scoring of tries.
With Willense available I cannot see how Erasmus and his coaches will pick Esterhuizen to be in the Springbok squad - he has been given test playing opportunities aplenty and never contibuted positively in those, At 31 years of age he is not performing better in club and franchjse level than De Allende is, Against the weak teams the Springboks play in July - the chances are that Willense will be the inside center of choice with potential back=up by Kriel or Hooker - who can play as inside centers or other backline positions as well. In recent matches Hooker looks vulnerable - Kriel did not, So lets wait and see what the Springbok squad for the July 2025 tests will look like.
One can expect an avalanche of attacks on Erasmus on team and squad selection by the site members - si lets wait and see what hapens.
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Mike...
Fix your pathetic grammar if you want anybody to read your posts.
At leat I will try to overcome mistakes on site - but you have a major problem to remove the batshit that control your rugby thinking in evidence as to your brainless contributions on site. What is on this thread contributed by you show little interest in real issues pertaining the number 12 position and promotion of AE showed the same deficiency as to rugby thinking play as is evident in AE. That si why in 22 tests he enver scored a try because of not being where the attacks take place,
B the ay in the 2019 RWC final De Allende and Du Toit destroyed his attacking ability of Farrell and he has never ecovered from that shock, However he showed how idiotic AE really is in isolating himself in that November 2018 tests and Farrell stopped an attack that could have helped the team to beat England. Remember that one - it caused him not to be in the RWC squad in 2019. .
"B the ay in the 2019 RWC final De Allende and Du Toit destroyed his attacking ability of Farrell and he has never ecovered from that shock"
There, I fixed it for you.
Now kindly explain the same to Dave who apparently believes that this hasn't been PSDT's job all along.
De Allende and Du Toit combined in that effor and it was repeaedly mentioned by the England commentatirs during the final.
Remeber that incident in November 2018 involving Esterhuizen which caused his removal from the 2019 RWC squad. Total brainless run that isolated himself with none of the Springboks expected what he did to happen. Go and look at that incident during which Farrell brutlaized him and he lost possession of the ball. So end of a promising attack which could have resulted in the Springbok victory - but because of Esterhuizen it ended in a loss of 11 - 9. . .
Umm you mean when Fag Girl shoulder charged AE?
...the no arms hit that should have been a penalty?
That one?
Go and look at that incident during which Farrell brutlaized him and he lost possession of the ball. So end of a promising attack which could have resulted in the Springbok victory - but because of Esterhuizen it ended in a loss of 11 - 9. . .
"Promising attack"? The scrumhalf rolled a pass to no one 10m behind the advantage line where Esterhuizen collected it. There was no "promising attack", it was a shambles.
And it wasn’t Farrell who was targeted by Dud Toit…..Farrell was playing 12. It was George Ford at 10. By the way Mostert who only came on in minute 22, made 15 tackles….Dud made 11. Facts, they provide so much clarity.
lol this is apparently where AE screwed up so badly.