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Calls for Kirwan's head; Rugby 365

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Mar 2015, 08:55
#1
08 Mar 2015, 08:55#1

The New Zealand media have turned on an iconic All Black in the wake of the Blues' winless start to the Super Rugby season.

The Blues slumped to their fourth straight loss, a first for the three-time former champions, after a willing and determined Lions team edged them 13-10 in Albany on Saturday.

The result, which leaves the Blues at the bottom of the standings with just two losing bonus points to show for their efforts, has sparked calls for coach John Kirwan's dismissal.

Under the headline 'Blues lose to Lions, is Kirwan a goner?' ONE Newssuggested that you can "hear the blades sharpening in Auckland".

"Under huge pressure already, John Kirwan has dug himself a deeper, more cavernous hole, surely one that will have dirt piling in from around the city," the TV station said of the iconic All Black, who has been knighted for his achievements in the game.

The New Zealand Herald also pulled no punches with a headline that said: 'Blues coach's head on the block'

"Open season has started on John Kirwan and this week's rumours of his looming demise at the Blues will probably not be the last," columnist Patrick McKendry said in the mass-circulated daily.

"John Kirwan's Blues have finished 10th of 15 teams for two years straight, and he knows they need a top-six finish this year."

The Blues at the weekend strongly denied a report that they were sounding out alternatives to Kirwan as head coach.

Kirwan, in the final year of his contract, is under pressure for results after two years of wildly inconsistent performances from his team.

Chief executive Michael Redman denied the franchise had made contact with Tasman NPC coach Kieran Keane, as suggested in aRadio Sport report.

In a statement headlined "Blues strongly deny unfounded rumours", Redman said no one from the organisation had approached any other coach.

"The board and management are fully focused on their full support of Kirwan, the staff and team," he told the New Zealand Herald.

But McKendry did not let that stop him, with a very dismissive report of the Lions' win and taking pot-shots at the Blues and their coach - calling it "one of the most disappointing defeats in history".

"The only thing more humiliating about being dragged into a dog fight with the Lions, is being dragged into that fight and then losing," theHerald columnist said.

"However bad things appeared at the Blues, they are in fact worse. A home defeat to the Lions - that's as bad as it gets.

"And it's not as if there was any outrageous misfortune or injustice behind this defeat. Nope, it has to be chalked up to a stunning lack of precision and accuracy. It has to be blamed on an attack game that has gone totally up the spout.

"The Lions were relentlessly awful. Exactly what purpose they were there to serve wasn't easy to tell.

"If their goal was simply to make up the numbers, then they needed to reassess - as they fell short. Devoid of any known players, any real ambition or direction, the Lions were relentlessly awful.

"And they won. Let's be clear on that - they were that bad and they won.

"What does that say about the Blues? Well, it means the pressure coach John Kirwan was under before the game has now doubled.

"It means that, if the Blues were honest and they haven't already contacted Tasman coach Kieran Keane, they should be on the blower this morning. To lose to the Lions means the last vestige of hope for 2015 has gone. This campaign is not going to recover. Not from here. Not when the Blues have so little idea what to do with the ball.

"That sort of cluelessness doesn't fix itself easily and what a tragedy that two Blues stalwarts - Jerome Kaino and Keven Mealamu - had to endure such an awful night when they were both chalking up significant milestones."

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Mar 2015, 09:01
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08 Mar 2015, 09:01#2
 They have some good players but they have not found their rhythm yet. The in ability to finish with points after great phases and break-away runs in the backs is evident. Lack of mojo. Seems the team knows deep down they will screw up opportunities. 
In such cases the blame falls on the coach. They have a tough set of matches coming up so it will be tougher on the coach. Strange that for years now Blues have not lived up to their potential - the coaches change but the story remains the same.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
08 Mar 2015, 09:01
#3
08 Mar 2015, 09:01#3
How about the players heads?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
08 Mar 2015, 09:03
#4
08 Mar 2015, 09:03#4
I would release him from his contract. Things are not moving forward, they are going bacward. May as well get someone new in. 
Maybe their was just too many Knights in one club with Henry and Kirwin.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
08 Mar 2015, 09:05
#5
08 Mar 2015, 09:05#5
Their pack is usually not good enough, now its their backs as well.The Lions seemed to suffocate the well and prevent offloads by tackling and wrapping the arms.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Mar 2015, 13:23
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08 Mar 2015, 13:23#6
 The dividing line between success and failure can be very slim.  Blues had narrow losses to Chiefs and Lions.
Last year Sir Graham was helping out without any real success.
my guess is the Blues lack on the filed leaders who can give them direction.
Also I think this oak is writing down the Lions to much. The Lions comprehensively outplayed the Hurricanes on all but the scoreboard. Yet oaks think the blowhard canes are a good side when they really should have lost both games over here.
Allow Sir John the dignity of seeing out his term. Get in a consultant like Jake to set them right - like Jake did for the Brumbies.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
08 Mar 2015, 15:47
#7
08 Mar 2015, 15:47#7
 IMO the sooner he leaves the better for the Blues.
Kirwan is completely useless, in 3 years he has made nothing. The team lacks a style and a gameplan, the players seem lost on the field.
He made some big selection mistakes when he dismissed Anscombe (who's not the very best but is far better than the choosen Chris Noakes and Baden Kerr or the later recruited Benji Marshall) and mainly Feikitoa.

10.Anscombe  11.F. Halai  12.F. Sailli  13.Feikitoa  14.G. Moala  15.Piutau

would have been a heck of a backline,......with a very decent pack this and last year (with Kaino, Braid, Tuipulotu, Woodc0ck, Faumuina, Mealamu,...), it could very probably have covered up the coach's incompetence,... but he failed even in the selection
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Mar 2015, 16:31
#8
08 Mar 2015, 16:31#8
 BP
I agree with you about Anscombe - he is a better player than most NZ supporters give him credit for.
The problem is that the Blues on paper do have a very good squad - and they are very competitive at times - but they have a very good record of snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.   
Maybe the issue relates to player fitness - or something like that.   I believe that yesterday their performance was influenced by jet lag - something the SA teams going to Australasia has problems with as well.   It probably was the great equalizer in this case.   It is quite likely that the team ran out of steam - so how do you blame the coach for that?   
Maybe they should get a sport psychologist to deal with the issue of player attitudes before they fire the coach - it seems to em that the players become demotivated during games when things do not go according to what they expect it to be.   No coach can really deal with such a problem without professional assistance.     
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
09 Mar 2015, 12:54
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09 Mar 2015, 12:54#9
 ABasquefan - you've touched one of the very important reasons why Sir JK has done badly the past 3 years. The issue of Pre-Season Selection - His choices are  more reactionary to what the latest style/popularity contest winner/latest vibe/Facebook/twitter-->he has surrounded himself with a Team of stars (yes men) than a Champion Team.

He should have been picking a Team that will complement one another and work as a tight unit.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Mar 2015, 13:21
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09 Mar 2015, 13:21#10
Agreed Hakwa, just like his choice of blues suede shoes. They may appeal to the "avant guard" but they are hardly practical & will not go the distance  
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Mar 2015, 01:18
#11
10 Mar 2015, 01:18#11
 One of my all time favourite players but after a less than stellar coaching career at Italy & Japan what the hell does he know about winning ?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
10 Mar 2015, 01:22
#12
10 Mar 2015, 01:22#12
Off with his head. 
Orcland have to send out a loud message this is not good enough. 
Forget about his rep as a player, he has failed as a coach. He has not met the standard, so getting rid of him will get the fans positive to support them as it is a new coach with new ways. 





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