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Can Brave Blossoms strike power fell another

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SebPro2,680 posts
22 Oct 2021, 07:34
#1
22 Oct 2021, 07:34#1

Mike has never forgotten RWC 2015 when Eddie Jones' Brave Blossoms felled the Springbok "giant" in Brighton.


Then in 2019 on home soil took 2 more large scalps, Ireland and Scotland.


Several decades ago Japanese rugby looked insignificant when during a WC pool match against the All Blacks a 100 plus victory was reached.


Tomorrow they play the Wallabies at Oita in Japan.


Cornelsen thinks so and he might well be right. However, I think Australia knows and is prepared...no side today with any sense takes them lightly...rugby has it surprises too often today and over confidence can almost be as dangerous as lack thereof...just remember our friends the AB's against the Les Bleus in days past in quarters and semis.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2021, 09:08
#2
22 Oct 2021, 09:08#2

Seb

That loss against Japan in 2015 was caused not only by over-confidence - it was largely the  result of players not being selected on merit and ill-discipline coupled to substandard  coaching and a game plan depending on forward power, which was ignored by Matfield and not implemeted at all.     The forwards turned out to be substandard  and the game plan delusional.   

Thank heavens Meyer and the even bigger problem Coetzee is out of Springbok rugby after being fired  because of gross incompetence by the clubs they coached after their Springbok disasters. 

What is weird is that Mozart attacks Erasmus on a virtual daily basis  - but for six years he never once criticized Meyer or Coetzee despite their disastrous coaching of the Springboks.

As to the Aussies I think they have learned bitter lessons over the past 5 years and with Rennie as coach at least they have a proper coaching set-up.   Rennie is a top class coach and  his influence on the Aussies is clear.    They will likely win the game.    


      

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2021, 14:13
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22 Oct 2021, 14:13#3

The Boks actually played quite well for the most part. It's a level of production we don't usually see anymore. The problem was that it was a game the Japanese knew very well. I warned Saffers that Japan had immense strike power, and if they could control their possession well enough to have field position and moderately clean ball, they'd be a serious threat. My expectation was the Fiji test of 2007: A plucky attacking side worn down by the pack and set piece battles which exposed their limitations. The under performers were Jean (second game back from a horrific injury), Steph (supposed to be our power carrier), Kriel, Coenie, Lambie (Jones said Lambie is passive, and that he coached the players to exploit it). Jannie was off the pace, and Bismarck was leaking penalties. Lood was loafing. Had a big run once, but was chasing shadows thereafter. The clueless people here went right for Kirchner, who was excellent, aside from one poor relieving kick. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2021, 16:57
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22 Oct 2021, 16:57#4

 So the Springboks played well losing against Japan.   The ball being passed 80% of the time to players other than the flyhalf - one of the main recipients was Burger who knocked balls on regularly.   Bismarck gave away 4 penalties - great discipline  of course - and Pienaar gave away 2.    Matfield did bugger-all in the game and some respectability was established when De Jager score a great try.   Instead of dominating up front - the Springboks did not even try to do so.   

A disaster for SA Rugby and a squad selection that was piss poor and was bound to lose.   Other than the De Jager try there was zero positive in the game and spinning will not help.   

SA were lucky that test cost Meyer his job as Springbok coach.  The problem was his successor were even worse.   So in the end their clubs fired both for being grossly incompetent.   The last is the final proof that spinning does not help and neither do lies.      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2021, 16:59
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22 Oct 2021, 16:59#5

It was caused by Kriel missing a regulation tackle….case closed.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2021, 17:00
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22 Oct 2021, 17:00#6

Simpleton  at it again - he ahs to cover dfor the overaged incompetence of the majority of the team - so out comes the BS.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2021, 17:07
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22 Oct 2021, 17:07#7

So Morne is culpable for missing Barrett when it was a last minute snatch to reach him after he beat Jean….but Kriel is not culpable for missing his direct opponent in a routine head on tackle, because he went high and was shrugged off.

You are a joke Slyman.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Oct 2021, 18:24
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22 Oct 2021, 18:24#8

The reason you cannot believe the Boks played well in any way is because you didn't know how good Japan can be. You told everyone that Japanese rugby is where fat old Saffers went to become even less fit. You didn't know the Japanese could play. You were warned, but you wouldn't listen. The build-up to the Japanese game and the things which were said about the Boks in the 2015 WC really did highlight who the ignorant, unthinking plastiks were/are.

In hindsight, it was an incredible kicking game by Gomorau, the fullback. 26 kicks in total! He really did allow the Japanese to compete. It's obviously a more subtle contribution, but it was a big part of that win. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Oct 2021, 08:16
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23 Oct 2021, 08:16#9

BS - the Japan team was rated  15 in the world in 2015 and was at best third rate.   But then the Springboks from November 2014 until Japan  played  9 tests and of those 9 won only 3.   So the squad was piss poor to start with coached by a piss poor coach.    They Japan team  was coached by a brilliant coach -  while the Coach of the Springboks were totally substandard.  If they were s strong a team as you claimed shit brain  Scotland would not have beaten them 45 - 10 in the RWC,    The Springboks beat the Scots 34 - 16 aft er getting rid of passengers like De Villiers, Matfield and  Kirchner in the latter game.   

By the way dimbrain - Du Toit was never played at 7 in any provincial games  by the start of the WC and Alberts was supposed  to play at 7 - but his fat tear prevented it and he was replaced by Du Toit at  an hour before the match actually started.    He was in 2015 not coached as a blindside flank - when  Erasmus asked that the provincial franchises that Mostert and Du Toit should be tried as flanks  in 2018  - they tried out Mostert and he failed badly - and Du Toit   who was brilliant.       

 The Japanese afterwards  assisted by great players from abroad developed further and ended up in the Top 10 teams in the world - yet they were beaten badly by the 2019  Springbok team on two occasions .   In 2019 they even beat Ireland and Scotland.  The Springboks under either Meyer or Coetzee would have lost to Japan by more than 13 points in 2019.    Erasmus is worldwide recognize as a top coach and  turned the demoralized  squad into world beaters.     

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SebPro2,680 posts
23 Oct 2021, 11:54
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23 Oct 2021, 11:54#10

32-23, missed the game. But if Japan could have crossed the line just one more time,converted and knocked over a penalty that would have been nice. A bridge too far this time but they will have others in their sights going forward...just a question of time...such an under-rated side.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Oct 2021, 18:44
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23 Oct 2021, 18:44#11

Lügnerin, you are the most mentally enfeebled person I have ever had the misfortune to discuss rugby with. If you weren't so sloppy and flagrantly dishonest I'd be half bothered to read at least half of your tripe. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2021, 08:32
#12
24 Oct 2021, 08:32#12

Kindergarten  Imbecile 

At least I know the game of rugby - unlike you who fabricate lies and deception.    I do not carry on about issues I know nothing about - hence your stupidity is beyond reach equaling even the Mozart BS he spreads on site.   .

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Oct 2021, 10:16
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24 Oct 2021, 10:16#13

You don't even understand the very basic shapes and structures in rugby. I had to laugh at the noobs who started talking about 1331 and 242 structures when someone in the media finally twigged (I had heart difficulty relating these concepts to Plastiks when discussing Cheika and the Waratahs, but also the All Black model of the day) . That was around the time when you and the other clueless Plastiks were talking about Schalk being in "the flyhalf position". You didn't knew what a pod was, nor did you know what those shapes were and what their underlying purpose was. Yet you tell me that I don't know the game. I knew these things as kid, playing high school rugby! I suppose being exposed to the analytics of American football and rugby league have me a 20 year headstart over you and those like you. Best you stick to what you know best: lying to your friends and playing ball-and-cup. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2021, 15:01
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24 Oct 2021, 15:01#14

Balls - you get some rugby stories and manuals and publish them on site as if they came from you.   You do not even know what the main objective of the game of rugby is - it is to win games and essentially by the scoring of tries.    That being the case you do not know what tactical kicking entails  and how to put recipients under pressure.

Whatever you write is absolute garbage and past and present Springboks when your ideas are mentioned  in conversation thinks that it must come from a complete idiot.     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
24 Oct 2021, 15:28
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24 Oct 2021, 15:28#15

Manuals? What manuals have I posted? No such thing exists. Full video breakdowns aren't manuals you goof! 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Oct 2021, 07:01
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25 Oct 2021, 07:01#16

The discussion was about the Japanese test in 2015  when the Springboks disgraced themselves by losing against Japan.   Mozart as a fact is also simplistic about the loss - the reason for the loss is beyond  his comprehension.   The team was  wasted garbage  selected on reputation and not playing ability =- a typical Meyer mess an grossly incapable coaching.   

The moment  the test is mentioned that moment you came up with a classic - the Springboks performed well in the test.   The game plan according to Meyer was to overwhelm  the Japanese forwards - the game plan was not what Matfield had in mind - he was in fact a major problem when it came to implementation. 

The best player of the Springboks that day was in fact not even starting in the test  - it was De Jager - the player you said was bad.    If it was not for his try - the loss would have been even greater.   That fact is again proof that you write absolute shit on site.    There ere in fact 8 players in the WC in 2015 that should never have ben on tour because Meyer refused to select Lions players - their game plan was way beyond Meyer's comprehension.   The discipline of the Springboks were garbage and the execution by players like Burger was disastrous.                    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Oct 2021, 07:31
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25 Oct 2021, 07:31#17

"Mozart as a fact is also simplistic about the loss"

The only simplistic simp here is you. Lood wasn't close to being the best player. Lood hasn't had a good test since his debut against Scotland in 2014. It's that simple. You cannot play Lood against teams who use the ball, likewise Steph. You don't have the technical understanding of the game to discuss these tests with me at even a schoolboy level. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Oct 2021, 08:23
#18
25 Oct 2021, 08:23#18

Stupid comment by an idiotic liar.    

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SebPro2,680 posts
25 Oct 2021, 12:15
#19
25 Oct 2021, 12:15#19

LOL...Shark is that you Haha.

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