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Carter the Player of the Decade

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Dec 2019, 05:57
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24 Dec 2019, 05:57#1


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Cape Town - World Rugby's fans have spoken ... and voted All Blacks flyhalf Dan Carter the best player of the past decade.

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Carter edged fellow New Zealand great Richie McCawto the accolade after several rounds of voting had narrowed the 16-player field down to the final two.

The All Blacks duo haven't played a Test since the Rugby World Cup final in 2015, but that didn't stop them from proceeding to the 'final' of World Rugby's competition - which was dominated by New Zealand players.

In the 'semi-finals' of the fan vote, Carter saw off All Blacks playmaker Beauden Barrett, while McCaw beat compatriot Kieran Read.

Only two Springboks made the final 16, with Bryan Habana losing out to All Blacks centre Ma'a Nonu and Tendai "Beast" Mtawarira beaten by McCaw, both in the opening round.

Carter, still only 37, is widely regarded as the greatest flyhalf - if not player - of all time.

He played 112 Tests, winning 99, drawing one and losing just 12.

He scored 29 tries and landed 293 conversions, 281 penalties and eight drop goals for a world leading 1 598 Test points.

In addition, Carter made 141 appearances for the Crusaders, scoring a record 1 708 points.

Carter is a two-time World Cup winner, a three-time Super Rugby champion and boasts nine Tri-Nations/Rugby Championship victories.

Carter also tasted success in both France and Japan as a member of the victorious Top 14 Perpignan and Racing 92 sides, as well as Kobelco Steelers in the Top League.

Off the field of play, Carter's numerous awards include:

- Two-time New Zealand Player of the Year

- Three-time World Rugby Player of the Year

- BBC Overseas Sports Personality of the Year

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Dec 2019, 05:58
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24 Dec 2019, 05:58#2

How did Habana lose out to Nonu one wonders.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2019, 07:11
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24 Dec 2019, 07:11#3

Where is Morne Steyn in all of this?   Did you and O not claimed he is opn par with Carter when it comes to flyhalf performances?

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
24 Dec 2019, 07:38
#4
24 Dec 2019, 07:38#4

It's hilarious to think that the average Beast would even feature among that list of greats.

Totally absurd.

The world has truly gone mad.

Carter is a genius. Fully deserves his spot as best player in the history of the game.



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2019, 09:24
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24 Dec 2019, 09:24#5

CC

Spot on - Carter is a real great and n further discussion is necessary,   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Dec 2019, 12:02
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24 Dec 2019, 12:02#6
I’d take Barrett over Carter and Carter was brilliant The joke is the hype around McCaw he was a good player, great player he was not. There have been and currently are far better opensides than him and that’s just in his position let alone all the other better players out there. Master of the dark arts apparently - well that does not cut it as a great player in my opinion. He is the most hyped rugby player ever, being currently followed by Itoje
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
24 Dec 2019, 12:12
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24 Dec 2019, 12:12#7

Of course you would, Stupid.

Must say I'm a little surprised you didn't pick Elton over Carter.

Let me guess, Jacques Du Plessis is a better loosie than McCaw ... and so is Kolisi ... right?


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
24 Dec 2019, 12:14
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24 Dec 2019, 12:14#8

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Dec 2019, 16:10
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24 Dec 2019, 16:10#9

McCaw is overrated for sure. 

Carter was a great player but was he the greatest ever. How about Naas Botha a rugby genius if ever there was one. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Dec 2019, 16:14
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24 Dec 2019, 16:14#10


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Dec 2019, 16:15
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24 Dec 2019, 16:15#11

Er HasBeen, this may be news to you, but the decade isn't forever.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
24 Dec 2019, 19:21
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24 Dec 2019, 19:21#12

Gosh I am amazed that Puke, Rose, Jacobs and Elton Jantjies never made the list of great players.

What a disappointment for all us Springbok supporters.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Dec 2019, 07:58
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25 Dec 2019, 07:58#13

"Posted by: CleanCut (8905 posts)

Dec 24, 2019, 07:38

It's hilarious to think that the average Beast would even feature among that list of greats.

Totally absurd.

The world has truly gone mad.

Carter is a genius. Fully deserves his spot as best player in the history of the game."

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
25 Dec 2019, 20:20
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25 Dec 2019, 20:20#14

It was a post in jest Cloudy to arouse the unconverted Bok supporters.  

Carter deserves all the credit bestowed on him. He was a true great of the rugby game.

Just got back from walking the dog around the lake.

Still walking in shorts, no snow or rain with the temp. hovering around 6 C - 9 C.

Heaven on earth to be honest.

Trust you have a great festive season with your family and friends.

We have always hold our Xmas celebration and meal on Christmas eve so that the children and grandchildren/great grandchildren can celebrate with the in-law families on Christmas day.

Merry Xmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year for 2020.


All the best to all.


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 10:24
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26 Dec 2019, 10:24#15

Dr Mozzzz wee cc was saying Carter was the "best player in the history of the gams" I suggested Naa s was. 

Dumbass Cloudy crashes again! 

Bwhahahahahahaha  

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Dec 2019, 11:36
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26 Dec 2019, 11:36#16

No need to be rude Beenz.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 11:54
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26 Dec 2019, 11:54#17

We do our best to please!

Cloudy Clown just crashed again because of her rude remarks. 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Dec 2019, 11:58
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26 Dec 2019, 11:58#18
Yes Cunt I’d take du Plessis and Kolisi over McCaw anyday. I don’t get excited about players who are merited with greatness because of their kicking like the utterly useless Morne Steyn or players who apparently did all the hard graft and showed very little in general play like McCaw, Martin Johnson or Itoje Beenkop you just confirmed your rugby ignorance with suggesting chicken shit Naas as possibly the best - fucking joke
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 12:14
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26 Dec 2019, 12:14#19

Kolisi and Du Plessis better than McCaw. Hahahahaha very funny from the rugby noob. 

Well Danie Craven rated Naas as the best. Okay since Craven other players need to be considered. 

Naas was a genius general. A master strategist. That I suppose is why you can't recognize his greatness. Above for pay grade fat Dave. 

Dave face the truth. You lack rugby acumen!

Please pay closer attention to what I post and you may learn the game at least to rugby 101 level. Anything more would be beyond you wee Dave. 

In the meantime stick to comments on the score and who is on the field, the ref and that sort of thing where you might get it right!

Hahahahahaha!!! 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Dec 2019, 12:58
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26 Dec 2019, 12:58#20
Who gives a shit what old school Craven said. Naas was a brilliant kicker, not bad at setting up an attack but possibly the worst defender ever - he was literally shit scared of contact Good player but not even close to the best. Give me Honnibal, Stransky, Hennie le Roux, Butch and Pollard over Naas Beenkop I’d rather read the bible than any input you have on rugby
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Dec 2019, 13:16
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26 Dec 2019, 13:16#21

Saf, as a WP man, I didn't like Naas much, but I saw a few games where he put the backline away sublimely.

 IMO it's stupid to pick a "best player ever" ...there is no such thing.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Dec 2019, 13:22
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26 Dec 2019, 13:22#22
Naas was good but the fact that he was so soft kind of blemished his standing
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 16:10
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26 Dec 2019, 16:10#23

Saffex obviously missed some amazing try saving low tackles Naas made. Naas had real pace and was superb on his feet. 

What the ignorant dud Dave doesn't know is that the Bulls coach Burman said to Naas he didn't want him tackling as he didn't want to risk injuries (Nass being such a match winner)

Doc Craven may well be right about Naas. 

Saffex time to acknowledge you sad lack of rugby acumen!

Cloudy Clown just admit you have no idea what you are talking about. I had a great Christmas dispite not knowing it was Christmas. Bwhahahaha what a goosfter poor Cloudy is. 

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
26 Dec 2019, 16:19
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26 Dec 2019, 16:19#24

“ Give me Honnibal, Stransky, Hennie le Roux, Butch and Pollard over Naas”

This is part of something posted by someone who is actually actively coaching a very successful team (I accept that the name of a certain flyhalf will be sending some in a tailspin again but the point I’m making with this quote has nothing really to do with the particular player but more with the above remark:

“ An interesting point here, is that in his last 13 starts, Morne Steyn's average was 13.38, which indicates an improvement, directly opposed to the alleged "slump in form"... If I include his few minutes (5) as fullback replacement, it is 12.42 points per game average over the last 14 matches.

We can also add the fact that the average number of tries scored by the Springboks in Morne's last 13 starts was 4 per match (52 tries in total).

 

 

Average tries scored per match:

1. (0.27) Joel Stransky

2. (0.24) Piet Visagie

3. (0.15) Jannie de Beer

4. (0.15) Jaco vd Westhuyzen

5. (0.143) Morne Steyn

6. (0.1) Hansie Brewis

7. (0.07) Butch James

8. (0.07) Naas Botha

... (0.03) Pat Lambie

... (0) Johan Goosen

 

In terms of numbers, Morne scored 8 tries, Piet Visagie and Joel Stransky 6, Jaco vd Westhuyzen 5.... And the great running flyhalf Homiball a full one! Even Honiball's sub (Franco Smith), scored 2...”


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Dec 2019, 16:22
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26 Dec 2019, 16:22#25
Beenkop trust an ignorant prick like you to come up with shit like that. Imagine a provincial coach telling his 10 not to tackle - what a pack of lies Naas was a chicken shit - was shit scared of tackling and that’s a fact He would have been utterly useless in the modern game. Such an easy target But only a thick prick like you would suggest such a defensive liability as possibly the best player of the decade although which decade are we talking about you stupid prick? Naas was flawed you don’t include flawed players for consideration of being amongst the best unless you are profoundly dumb which we know you are Stick to bible bashing you dunce
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 17:12
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26 Dec 2019, 17:12#26

Maybe someone remembers what Burman van zyl said to Naas. 

But let's face it Saffexnutter saying Kolisi is as good as McCaw is a blunder not matched on the rugby board to date. Hahahahahaha.

Rooitwit's saying Luke better than Schalk Burger comes close. 

Man oak you are a riot! 


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,245 posts
26 Dec 2019, 17:30
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26 Dec 2019, 17:30#27
Saffex, you underrate the effect a loose forward has at the ruck, and how this impacts the game. There can be something like 200 rucks per game. Retaining your own possession and getting quick ball are vital for attacking on the front foot, Also getting turnovers and slowing down opposition ball is vital. This is especially true on slow pitches like the Northern Hemisphere- but also important for going wide in the Southern Hemisphere. When SA teams get parity at the ruck, they usually win. 
Mccaw controlled the ruck area, often illegally. He did the donkey work to give his backline quick ball and slow down opposition ball. He controlled the tempo of the game, and even when his pack was losing- his effect limited the opposition dominance. 
Ideally, all loosies should contribute to the ruck. This is why having both Deysel Twins in the same back row at test level would never work. This is why Vermuelen is so much better than the twins - who are more like Alberts on a good day, and Johan Deysel on a bad day. 
Loosies should be allrounders like Mccaw that can vary their play based on the match situation. If a loosie is only a ball carrier, they have limited effect when their team is losing the battle of the breakdown. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 17:35
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26 Dec 2019, 17:35#28

Even sharktwit is schooling poor snapster. 

Dave doesn't understand the game. 

He has a long list of players which he tr otts out at times and calls them his selection of some squad or other. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Dec 2019, 17:48
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26 Dec 2019, 17:48#29

That of course is why Stephanie would not make my team......he is all but useless over the ball on the ground. In fact he tends to be poor at most things:

1. Reading the play ....4

2 Fetching.....2

3 Hard yards running....5

4 Open field running 4

5 Passing ...5

6 Offloading ...3

7 Lineouts ....5....a shocker

8 Process tackling....7

9 Open field tackling ...4

10  Defensive pressure.....8


Altogether he gets a 4.6 rating. The most useful thing Dud did at the WC was his charging  onto Ford, just after the half (just as Rassie charged Larkham back when). All that process stuff could have been done as well or better by other players.

Stick with moz!


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Dec 2019, 17:55
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26 Dec 2019, 17:55#30
Bullshit that is what they say McCaw did I never saw it. He was certainly no turnover king. To even begin to list a player who slowed rucks down etc, that never did much with ball in hand as an openside, that was hardly a hard hitting defender and certainly did not turn much ball over as one of the best players ever is a fucking insult. I can think of many current or not that long ago opensides who are better than McCaw - Schalk, Smith, Pocock, Savea, Tipuric, Curry, Kolisi , Jaco Kriel, Cane, Warburton, Hooper etc Shark you dumb fuck let me explain this one more time - neither of the du Preez twins are opensides - do I need to go any further. So because they are strong carriers why in your ignorant mind do you think they can’t slow rucks down or effect turnovers which they do do - what are you basing your bullshit on? Why did the Sharks and now Sale play the du Preez twins together huh?
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Dec 2019, 17:58
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26 Dec 2019, 17:58#31
What a load of shit Moz - it’s not PSDT’s job to effect turnovers Your scores are a load of utter shit If they were that bad he would not smell the Bok side let alone be the best player in the game right now
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,245 posts
26 Dec 2019, 18:01
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26 Dec 2019, 18:01#32
Saffex, I said "all" loose forwards should be able to contribute at the ruck- not just the openside. South Africa also has very few specialist fetchers at 6- look at Kolisi who's a contribution at the ruck is minimal.
You don't understand forward play, simple as. You want to build a team of ball carriers, most of them can't even touch their own toes having spent so much time in the gym. You have a Bulls rugby mentality. 
Just because the Sharks played both twins in the back row means nothing. Their father was the team coach, even their brother was the first choice at 10 when he should not have been. Sales Sharks are a pub team filled with some pretty good South African players. 
A Saffex loose forward conditioning program. 10 hours of gym per day, with 15 minutes of skills training. The Deysel twins cant catch, and they cant even touch their toes. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Dec 2019, 18:11
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26 Dec 2019, 18:11#33
You telling me I don’t understand forward play is both a joke and insulting given your rugby knowledge. Explain to me what you understand by forwards contributing at the ruck? Come on, this should be entertaining
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Dec 2019, 18:18
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26 Dec 2019, 18:18#34

Oddly enough my scores are totally plausible.....when I started breaking down his functions, my overall impression of him as hopelessly overhyped became obvious.


As for a blindsider having no role on the ground.....nonsense....even centres have a fetching role.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Dec 2019, 18:30
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26 Dec 2019, 18:30#35
Your scores are rubbish Most blindsides do no work over the ball and in the case of PSDT he certainly is not tasked with that role. He is one of our primary carriers, defenders and is brilliant at clearing rucks out. He has a free reign like Faf to disrupt the opposition and does it brilliantly He is world player of the year because he is so damn good at all those roles above that I listed
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,245 posts
26 Dec 2019, 18:31
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26 Dec 2019, 18:31#36

Flankers primary role is to be the first to the ball at the tackle situation as the ruck is formed. If they are not, it means backline players get pulled into rucks to compete for the ball. They defend the open side and blindside respectively providing cover defence. At least 2 out of the back row should be able to compete on the ground, but ideally all three. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Dec 2019, 18:47
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26 Dec 2019, 18:47#37
What a load of shit - you have just confirmed your ignorance of the game. It is the role of the openside to get to the breakdown first followed by the heavy weights protecting the challenger or clearing out opposing players. It’s ideal to have two players able to compete at the breakdown and this is where the second guy is usually not a breakdown specialist but is able to contribute here which is the likes of the du Preez twins In the Bok side the role of breakdown turnovers is Marx, Louw and Vermeulen, with others like Mbonambi, Kolisi etc providing secondary breakdown work. In Sales last game against Saints Dan du Preez turned the ball over twice so what does that say about your take on him over the ball?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Dec 2019, 19:31
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26 Dec 2019, 19:31#38
Saffexnutter give it up. You have made a prize ass of yourself again. Kolisi better than McCaw. You must be the only jackass on the planet who thinks that.Would have thought you would nominate Thomas as your greatest ever given how much you love these types! 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Dec 2019, 20:08
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26 Dec 2019, 20:08#39

You are making my point Dave. Because we had a stellar fetcher in Vermeulen.....Kolisi and Dud de Toit weren't judged for their poor fetching.

Because we had a pressure defence that contained the opponents and was stingy about open field space....Dud's cumbersome open field play wasn't exposed.


You understood this early in the WC, but then like most others you couldn't see that Bok defensive dominance was masking Dud's weaknesses. Take the Welsh try where he failed to shift onto the Welsh scrummie and created a fatal overlap..

A ball carrier that always gets knocked down by the first tackler....and never, ever offloads.......give me a break!



sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,245 posts
26 Dec 2019, 21:05
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26 Dec 2019, 21:05#40

The blindside loosie should be the first to the ruck when the opposition plays down the blindside. 

For the Boks sometimes it is the number 6 and number 8 that make the most contribution at the ruck, whereas the number 7 is more of a ball carrier. Francois Louw was a good fetcher, so having him along with Vermuelen was enough to allow Steph to roam. 

That is the problem with the Deysel twins, unless they have an out and out specialist fetcher at 6, their teams will struggle against mobile back rows that can compete on the ground. The twins are decent provincial players, but to have them both in an international back-row would mean losing the battle of the breakdown




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