Carter the Player of the Decade

Carter only won the World Cup once  in 2015 He was a good player but two world cups would at least be required for the top spot.

Bullshit Moz I never said anything of a sort at the beginning of the WC - all I said was that I would not play PSDT at flank as he is not as athletic as your usual blindside who of course does not need to be as athletic as your 6 and 8. 

But equally I see the attraction of playing PSDT at flank thereby accommodating Lood at lock. It’s too much of a waste having either on the bench.

What PSDT has done is learn quickly and the frailties that saw Ben Youngs expose him some time back no longer exists. Sure at times he over commits and his lack of athleticism sees him not being able to get into position to make the tackle, but every player misses tackles so it’s no big deal. The number of big hits and general tackles he makes far far outweighs that shortcoming.

He is quicker than most locks so there was nothing cumbersome of his open field play at all in fact it was bloody good as were his hands evidenced in his hand in getting the ball to Koble for his try.

Saying he always gets knocked down by the first tackler is absolute rubbish - his carrying in contact is amongst our most effective, no less so than Eben for instance, same applied to Lood. The only tight forward that saw his arse in contact was Mostert.

As for the Welsh blind side break that had nothing to do with PSDT at all - we have been over this

You are still judging PSDT on how he started out as a 7 he has evolved somewhat since then

So much so that I am more than happy to see him stay there. It’s testament to how good he is that playing out of position he still gets named world player of the year.

PSDT was key to our success as were Vermeulen, Faf and de Allende 

Shark - if there was a break down the blindside JL du Preez would be the first there and would attempt a turnover if the opportunity presented itself. You only see 2 or 3 turnovers a game.

You also conveniently don’t fucking read or answer my questions. You speak utter shit that the du Preez can’t be productive at the breakdown evidenced by Dan’s 2 turnovers effected in his last match. So answer me this where do you get your shit from that they are incapable of being effective at the breakdown.

If you played the du Preez twins in a test your primary turnover exponent would be Marx, with the twins as secondary and of course all the other players more than capable of work at the breakdown 

What bullshit - the only thing Carter has over Barrett is kicking

Barrett’s best position is 10 and his attacking skills there leave Carter in the dust 

Their defence was on par probably 

I’d take the attacking genius of Barrett over Cater 

Sorry Dave, you were right the first time.....it's not that he has learned the role, it's that our game plan and a bit of luck protected Stephanie from his obvious flaws. That wont last. He will have to learn how to play lock at test level, or fade away.

"...He will never fade as he is relentless in everything he does..."

Well said. He is a team player with more heart than most., and he keeps on and on and on..Rassie realised his value and adapted the game plan to get the most out of him for the sake of the team. 

PSDT, Vermeulen, Faf and DdA were the 4 Talismans...that, our 2 front rows and our deadly finishers on the wings made us a very difficult team to play against.

Talismen?

Actually it's  great that he never fades....after 6 years of being useless he's getting to the age where he qualifies for moz support. Now all he needs to do is learn how to play lock.

Seriously Draad this Rassie mystique is pretty laughable. We had a 50/50  chance at minute 70 against a poor, injury diminished Welsh team. At the end of the day Biggar's pathetic tackle attempt on the Tractor was all that stood between all this hype and a totally different narrative.

PS, and the Welsh match in the previous RWC was much tighter than this one...there are no such things as easy knockout matches in a RWC.

Peter Steph Du Toit is the best 7 in world rugby. He is the world payer of the year. Of course Beeno and Mallet were not surprised by the award. 

Stick with Beeno and the rest of the Rugby world re Steph. 

Dr Mozzz is having a matfiled moment! Inexplicable blindspots!!! 

No Draad the 2015 game was not closer...we were much more the dominant team.

2015:

Boks 543 metres/Wales 294 metres.

Boks 20 defenders beaten/Wales 13 defenders beaten

Boks 6 clean breaks/Wales 2 clean breaks

Boks made 123 tackles/ Wales made 196.

Boks 59% possession/ 60% territory

We dominated that game. Now let's look at 2019:

Boks 296 metres/Wales 183 metres....way less advantage

Boks 5 clean breaks/Wales 7  clean breaks

Boks 16 defenders beaten/ Wales 11 defenders beaten

Boks made 147tackles/ Wales made 74

Boks 39% possession/ 38% territory

...............................

So no Draad. In 2015 we dominated territory and possesion, made more clean breaks and gained vastly more metres. As a result we made 73 less tackles than Wales.

In 2019 Wales dominated territory and possession and we were forced to make 73 more tackles than Wales.

We won. In the end that's all that counts.....but beyond our defence which was stellar, I see no grea t improvement on 2015.

Yet Wales were leading on the scoreboard till close to the end in 2015, but they were never  in front in 2019...best they could do was to briefly draw level twice...the score board is the most important match statistic. We were very rarely under pressure in that match...and yes, I know that a lucky try could have bounced us right out of the World Cup, but it didn't. 

It really looks like you are looking for reasons to devalue the achievement of winning the RWC.

Yet Wales were leading on the scoreboard till close to the end in 2015, but they were never  in front in 2019...best they could do was to briefly draw level twice...the score board is the most important match statistic. We were very rarely under pressure in that match...and yes, I know that a lucky try could have bounced us right out of the World Cup, but it didn't. 

It really looks like you are looking for reasons to devalue the achievement of winning the RWC.

Gavin Rich my foot. The person who identified Rassie as a great coach first was no other than Beeno. 

Dr Moz will recall my correcting him on his mocking  Rassie using lights etc.

I was saying how good Rassie was when he was captain ING and coaching Free State. 

You don't get it much earlier than that. 

All credit to Beeno!

Snapster too much weed and coke has led to your confusion about matters. No wonder we get no sense from you. 

HasBeen was an early Rassie adopter and I would say, his main advocate on the Board. Rassie epitomizes the old saying, it's better to be lucky than good. Lose to NZ, then you get Japan and an injury ravaged Welsh team.......and finally a Pom team that can't complete one scrum!

There Draad, another opportunity for you to ignore the facts and whine about how mean I am.

"There Draad, another opportunity for you to ignore the facts and whine about how mean I am."

Never said you are mean. IMO you are the one with a blindspot for some facts you don't like...for whatever reason.

I rarely get on any bandwagon and I don't buy into hype...but I also acknowledge achievement when it's due...from where I'm standing, it looks like you are trying your utmost to diminish that achievement...most logical reason for that being your perpetual disagreement with Mike.

Look, I know it irritates the hell out of you, but that's not my intention. I try to be civil in the way I go about it...being a gnat or a gadfly isn't my style. 

By this time everyone on here should know my stance on the subject, so I'll try and stay out of your hair on this particular subject for the time being.

One of the greatest teams you say. Not really ....a great team wouldn't have been  beaten by a poor New Zealand side. The only WC winner to lose a pool game....the mark of distinction as it was treated, or the result of a great draw?

We did play an impressive game in the final. Where we stopped the kick and chase rubbish we used against Wales. Many ascribe this to a Rassie....'hidden plan'. But nobody plays a WC semi with less than your best tactics.

My guess is Rassie didn't enjoy the 'boring' tag after the semi and also concluded that we were less likely to prevail against the P oms using kick and chase. So the Boks found the style we should always play. And it worked against a Pom team that never showed.

Does that make us the best rugby team in the game, or as good as our 2007 team? If we beat the Lions and win a RC in the next 2 years one can have the debate.

Rassie won't be the Bok coach so what happens now doesn't effect one's assessment of Rassie as a coach. 

Rassie has proven himself taking a bunch of no hopers to a Rugby Championship win and  RWC win all in the space of some 18 months. World coach of the year, team of the year and player of the year. 

Give credit where it's due Dr Moz. I feel you are still sniping at Rassie and Du Toit. 

We were without Cheslin in the Welsh match...a bigger loss than any of the 2 Wales missed.

And we kicked a lot against the Poms...and we ran and looked dangerous when we did against Wales. This notion that we changed our tactics drastically against England is nonsense.  We employed some variation in tactics, most notably moving the kicking duties from Faf to Pollard at the start of the match.

The perceived change has more to do with the opposition than with our tactics. 

England were less savvy than Wales, they put their house on blowing us away in the first quarter and when it didn't happen, they had no clue what to do.

kick/pass/run

37/67/71...vs Wales

24/97/89.....vs England.

Kick percentage vs Wales 21%

Kick percentage vs England 11%

Pass percentage vs Wales 38%

Pass percentage vs England 46%

So we kicked almost twice as much against Wales.....Game, set and match?