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CJ Stampkar anyone

Started by Mozart56 REPLIES1,531 VIEWS· 25 Aug 2019, 05:46
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Aug 2019, 05:46
#1
25 Aug 2019, 05:46#1
Watching this small slow loosie being totally dominated by Vinnie Vunipola made me think of all those pundits, some on this Board, who saw him as a world beater. It turns out his departure for Ireland was no loss. So many runs, so few metres, zero offloads. Stick with moz.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Aug 2019, 06:40
#2
25 Aug 2019, 06:40#2

When you want to be totally deluded stick with Moz

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Aug 2019, 06:54
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25 Aug 2019, 06:54#3
It's all playing out according to the Gospel of Moz....here's another Stampkar rating.....hahaha....and you rated this palooka! CJ Stander - 2 A absolute rarity in the first half. No carries made at all as he struggled to get into the game. Made his first carry on 47 minutes and was a strangely mute passenger for much of the game
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Aug 2019, 09:09
#4
25 Aug 2019, 09:09#4

I was not interested in the Irish match since I wanted to watch the performance of Willemse in the WP game, because I believe he should be in the WC squad ahead of the total flop Frabns Steyn - which you obviously support all out.

From what I have seen in the highlights package the whole Irish team was poor in all aspects of the game and to single out one player in such a scenario is not wise,   Looking purely at the stats stander as NOT he worst player of the lot.  I think the main problem was in backline defense with -

*   Kearney making 2 tackles missing 4;

*   Lamour making 3 tackles missing 5; and

*   Ringrose making 8 tackles missing 3

Of the 7 tries scored by England 4 of the 7 tries scored was by outside backs.  and the poor defense stats given was the main reason for the tries being scored.  

If one looks at the whole performance scenario the Irish defense was poor with the only players having reasonable stats  in defense in the Irish team were in fact  Van der Flier and Stander.- so as stated before singling out Stander for sole criticism is not a wise move on your pa rt.        .    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Aug 2019, 15:18
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25 Aug 2019, 15:18#5
All those other players did something Muck....Stamp did nothing. The ratings aren't mine....they come from the Irish press who have always been besotted with Stampie.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Aug 2019, 17:17
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25 Aug 2019, 17:17#6

I am not saying he was good enough at all - the ratings for virtually all players were substandard.  I would not target one player specifically in such an event.  

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Aug 2019, 17:52
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25 Aug 2019, 17:52#7

Can't say I have ever seen Stander do much. Doesn't seem to have any X factor. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Aug 2019, 20:18
#8
25 Aug 2019, 20:18#8
That player is a South African you claimed we were stupid to miss Muck....that's why we focus on him. If Ringrose has a bad game it's an Irish affair.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Aug 2019, 20:37
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25 Aug 2019, 20:37#9

He was twice the loosie Alberts ever was - so that is why I wrote that time.   However, Dave was the guy who always supported Stander,   

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Aug 2019, 21:20
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25 Aug 2019, 21:20#10


“ However, Daver was the guy who always supported Stander, “

No danger of Ou Maaikie ever having a “I’m Spartacus”-moment. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Aug 2019, 00:01
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26 Aug 2019, 00:01#11

I'm not for a moment saying Standers current form is good but he proven himself a great player for both club and country over a much longer time peroid than his dip in form. There is something wrong in the Ireland camp at the moment and the best player in the world would have looked poor gad you put him that Ireland team last Saturday.


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Rugby LindaClub Pro114 posts
26 Aug 2019, 00:27
#12
26 Aug 2019, 00:27#12

Yes they peaked far to early.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Aug 2019, 01:22
#13
26 Aug 2019, 01:22#13
No he was a fairly ordinary player, made to look good because for 2 years the Irish pack was among the best. Running 1.5 metres a carry, getting put down by the first tackler and failing to offload doesn't make him a great player.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Aug 2019, 09:36
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26 Aug 2019, 09:36#14
Yes indeed, i have made this point many times before and at last its taking root. Be careful in judging a backlines payers ability when he plays for the Boks. We have had a dysfunctional backline for years. Hence how well Allende has played over the years must take this into account, ditto Kriel! We can be thankful that under Rassie our backline play has improved.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Aug 2019, 13:51
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26 Aug 2019, 13:51#15
@moz 
I disagree, I think he's proven himself for both Munster and Ireland time and again and was part of the reason Ireland where a strong team for the last two years. His form has been poor for many months now but again you can say that about of the lot of the Irish team currently. We have really declined since last November. Also regarding offloads, that's a Joe Schmidt thing, he doesn't like offloads and doesn't encourage the team to do it generally, he's a percentages coach and considers it too risky. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2019, 14:57
#16
26 Aug 2019, 14:57#16

Stav

Forget about trying to convince Mozart and co about anything else than their hatred of Stander will allow.   

This has been going on for 6 years and their campaign against other SA players they hate  has been on the go since 2013 - so to discuss player performances with them is like casting pearls to the swine.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Aug 2019, 16:22
#17
26 Aug 2019, 16:22#17
Ah it's Nostrodopus.....a last lonely sighting before the Bok team was announced and he took the deep dive!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2019, 16:28
#18
26 Aug 2019, 16:28#18

I commented on the selections dimness   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Aug 2019, 16:51
#19
26 Aug 2019, 16:51#19
Yes you did.....at 16.27, five minutes after I posted the deep dive alert. But I have to admit, it's so long, so repetitive and so boring that you have probably been working on it for a long time. Probably before the team was announced.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2019, 18:22
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26 Aug 2019, 18:22#20

No Mozart

Go and look at the stats and terll me Steyn and Louw was up to standard.  They were piss poor in the RC and then we have Mostert who did squat in Tight 5 performance in the two tests he played in,    Lucky he will not be in the AB test - we have competitive locks in the squad,       

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2019, 18:22
#21
26 Aug 2019, 18:22#21

Duplicate

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2019, 18:22
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26 Aug 2019, 18:22#22

Duplic ate

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2019, 18:22
#23
26 Aug 2019, 18:22#23

Dupl icate

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2019, 18:22
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26 Aug 2019, 18:22#24

Duplicate

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Aug 2019, 21:23
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26 Aug 2019, 21:23#25
Mostert wont be in the AB test, just like Steyn wouldn't be in the team and Willemse would. Now conveniently forgotten. Stupid is forever.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Aug 2019, 23:00
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26 Aug 2019, 23:00#26

If it weren't for his ridiculous Meyer hate, he'd have twigged that he and Rassie don't share the same vision for rugby. These failed predictions are just the speck on the tip of the iceberg. Many a hearty laugh is to be had watching it all play out. 

Back to Stampy, it's good practice to observe the carries and the effect it has on the subsequent phase(s). This was where we could see the value of an Alberts. I haven't been following the 6N like I used to, not for many years, so I take Moz's word for it. This pretty much falls in line with what I have seen in the past three Irish tests that I've watched. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
27 Aug 2019, 00:21
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27 Aug 2019, 00:21#27

With a probable/possible quarter final against the Irish, their woeful performance was luvly-jubbly.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
27 Aug 2019, 01:06
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27 Aug 2019, 01:06#28

I saw aspects of that Irish performance that would trouble the Boks. The way they drive though contact, look for the offload, these are things the Boks can't handle like England. The lineout is another issue. They did look weak under the high ball, and the passive defence for the first England try was atrocious. Things they can rectify. I'll post more on this in a couple of days. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Aug 2019, 05:48
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27 Aug 2019, 05:48#29


Sure your postings have always  been jokes in thee extreme and I am looking forward to a really good joke here as well.   No rugby knowledge like in your case is really funny.  LOL

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
27 Aug 2019, 06:11
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27 Aug 2019, 06:11#30

Why don't you post some material? It would make a change,  maybe even make your posts a little interesting to read. Gosh, maybe even make it worth reading a second, third or fourth time, thereby adding value to your redundant quadruple posts. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Aug 2019, 09:54
#31
27 Aug 2019, 09:54#31

No Mozart and AO

You two have both tried desperately to mislead other members by posting absolute trip e on site and then claim it is really what happened.  To see your evaluations is like seeing a dream world of nightmares and fantasies.

I said really why both Steyn and Louw are sub-standard and that is ignored because you would rather have duds in the squad,     


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Aug 2019, 14:40
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27 Aug 2019, 14:40#32
No let's be clear......you said Steyn, Louw, Mostert and possibly even Jantjies wouldn't make the team.....they did. You said Willemse would make the team ...he didn't. I told you Stampkar is an overrated small guy, with no step, no pace , no power, no offload.....turns out he is. His only virtue is he tries hard. And what did I tell you about guys who try hard? They are okay in games where they are distinguished by trying hard....in big tests everybody tries hard and that advantage disappears. So why did Stampie occasionally look effective in big games? Because he was in a dominant pack, and I told you that too. Turns out ....like name like nature....you produce muck Muck.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Aug 2019, 18:21
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27 Aug 2019, 18:21#33
Did not see the game but if CJ at 115kg is small then I’m a woman. CJ has proved his class time and again at test level. Vermeulen is certainly not better than him
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Aug 2019, 20:16
#34
27 Aug 2019, 20:16#34
Well he got a 2 rating....usually not indicative of a good dayat the office.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
27 Aug 2019, 22:36
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27 Aug 2019, 22:36#35

"Did not see the game but if CJ at 115kg is small then I’m a woman."

That explains a lot.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Aug 2019, 23:37
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27 Aug 2019, 23:37#36
Aug I’m talking about his size you fucking idiot not his performance - fucking catch a wake up you bore Moz given the score line I’m guessing most Irish players would have received low ratings
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
28 Aug 2019, 01:40
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28 Aug 2019, 01:40#37


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Aug 2019, 05:30
#38
28 Aug 2019, 05:30#38

Mozart and AO

How many times have you been caught out lying about what actually happened in matches?   False reports on what did happen is always in evidence in respect of players you dislike and protection of players you support.   

That is why you "discover" incidents nobody else wrote about and then blame another player for it,  Take a recent example the Goodhie try in the Wellington test.   Vermeulen buggered up and the All Blacks counter attacked and then you found a reason to blame De Allende for the try being scored.   Then you find an excuse for Habana in the case of the Montpellier try in 2007 test for being outpaced based on exactly the same circumstances, 

Another famous incident even brought up recently by Mozart was he Perth Test in which Morne Steyn failed to find touch with a penalty line kick with Habana being off the field with a yellow card,   Easy you do not blame Steyn for his bugger-up he made but the team not defending properly to prevent a subsequent try.   

You also have the case where you two try and cover up a missed tackle by Mostert on Sanchez to try and blame Du Toit for the missed tackle,   When you were caught out on Fat Fransie Steyn being out of the defensive line - even Pakie's photo proved it to be the case - you claimed it did not happen - he was at least three meters more out of line than Du Toit was.   That type of outright lying is funny because you two  were so blatantly easy to be caught out.

I can list a dozen of other things where you went bananas when caught out making statements,  I said that Mostert was inadequate in line out jumping in the AB test and not used at all for that purpose in the subsequent Argentina test and you ignored it totally and said I was talking tripe.  I previously wrote that Mostert on test level is incapable of setting up driving mauls and you two went ballistic iro the driving maul in the test last year as prove that I was wrong,   The fact that Mostert failed in that driving maul was exposed when evaluating the situation and the fact that he maul started going forward when Du Toit took over the organizing of the maul and Vermeulen joined him in the effort was never mentioned by either of the two of you.

As to Stander - he had many good games for Munster and  Ireland in the past - at least he is a test level loosie - unlike Mohoje and Alberts.   Mozart's campaign against Stander started in 2012 and his nonsense has been on site regularly about the player - regularly using selective stats to prove some point or another - in this case ball carries only.  But then - you in 2014 when Meyer's selection of Mohoje was criticized AO under a different user name said that he outplayed McCaw as a loosie.   

I can go on case after case and point out literary dozens of posts b the two of you that was total misrepresentations of what actually happened in games - but that will not be necessary because you two with your falsifications are being regarded as farces on site and reasons for great enjoyment by all of us,  LMAO                               

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Aug 2019, 05:30
#39
28 Aug 2019, 05:30#39

Duplicate

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Aug 2019, 06:04
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28 Aug 2019, 06:04#40
Still trying to excuse Allende for being gassed by Goodhue and then just jogging to avoid having his pace deficit clearly exposed. My 'campaign' against Stampkar was simply telling the truth.....which is now evident to even his rabid Irish support.
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