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Coetzee may still be sacked by SA Rugby

Started by sharkbok20 REPLIES517 VIEWS· 22 Jan 2017, 22:24
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
22 Jan 2017, 22:24
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22 Jan 2017, 22:24#1

Cape Town - SA Rugby president Mark Alexander has thrown a spanner in the works by denying that Springbok coach Allister Coetzee staying is a foregone conclusion.

Since the Boks returned from their abysmal tour of Europe, where they lost all three of their Test matches, including a first defeat to Italy, speculation has been rife that SA Rugby had all but decided to persist with Coetzee as they do not have the rumoured R13 million they would need to sack him.

But Alexander saida few days ago the organisation was looking at its options, one of which included continuing without Coetzee.

We’re not sure which way we’re going, whether we’re keeping Allister or not,” said Alexander.

“We still have presentations to go through but no formal decision has been made on whether we’re going forward with him or not.

“At the end of January we’ll make an announcement on whether we’re keeping him.”



If that sounded a little too much like Alexander pacifying a rugby public which would rather see the back of Coetzee before doing an about-turn come the end of the month, he surprised by warming to his “uncertain” task.


“We’re still looking to see if we’ve got the right people in place and, if not, where we can find them,” he said.


“We’re not sure what type of coach we want and what style we want to play. You have to remember that it’s not just one man – it’s a whole coaching team.

“There are no quick fixes, we’ve got some seriously big decisions to make.


"It’s easy to stay with Allister, [but] we need to make the right decision because whatever we do will impact our [2019] World Cup campaign, which we want to win.”

Alexander also revealed that, almost as if smelling blood in the water, coaches the world over had availed themselves of Coetzee’s job:


“A lot of names have come up, a lot of overseas coaches have thrown their hats in the ring and they’ve even got plans [about how to turn the Boks’ fortunes around].


“The agents have been busy...”

Alexander implied he and his top brass had been kept awake by trying to solve a lot of their organisation’s problems, which included their policy 
on overseas-based players and their decision to increase the stake in provincial unions reserved for private investors.


“I didn’t go away for the December holidays and we’ve had five meetings this year already,” Alexander said.

“We’re taking a holistic approach and we are going to announce our policy on foreign-based players at the end of January as well, whether they bring value or not. 

With regards to increasing the private stakeholding in provincial unions to up to 74%, he said SA Rugby had “attracted a lot of interest both locally and abroad.

“We’ve asked them to hold off until we’ve put the model in place but the guys want to talk now.”

He said SA Rugby had dedicated the last few weeks to a fair bit of soul-searching: “We’ve consulted widely to experts in the business of rugby both locally and abroad.

We’re questioning all the decisions we’ve made because sometimes we’re too close to the woods to see the trees.

“We need to get our strategy right and then put structures in place. We need to make rugby grow as a game and to play winning rugby.”

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
22 Jan 2017, 22:30
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22 Jan 2017, 22:30#2
I think every pub team coach around the world has thrown their hat into the ring to take over from Coetzee.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
22 Jan 2017, 22:30
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22 Jan 2017, 22:30#3
duplicate
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Jan 2017, 23:16
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22 Jan 2017, 23:16#4
 I like Alexander's approach and I like his thoughts on SA Rugby going forward with the added benefit of a new coach.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
22 Jan 2017, 23:21
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22 Jan 2017, 23:21#5
Job Description:
-a Kiwi coach. Someone who understands rugby like a chess game- and can implement a game plan based on the players that are available. 
-There needs to be a plan B after the first phase.
-Someone who understands that kicking from first phase is usually a bad idea. 
-Someone that understands kicking is effective when kicking into space.
- Stop kicking and chasing unless space opens up.

-Someone that knows when to pass down the backline, and not have a forward playing at 10 when there is space out wide. 
-Introduce variety to bring unpredictability-Bring the rolling maul back into the pack at lineouts and kickoffs-Planned moves that will help forwards to the breakdown
A player like Jantjies might flourish with an attacking game plan. Planned moves with Willie Leroux would stop his one-man band attack, and his kicking ----------

In other news, Alister Coetzee has warned his captainless squad against being complacent in 2017.


BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
22 Jan 2017, 23:42
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22 Jan 2017, 23:42#6
 ...Sharkbok from what i've read they don't want to pay Coetze out of his contract...Erasmus name is being bandied around but he still has a long stint left on his contract with Munster...Says he's happy in Ireland as well where there is no interference..
So come the end of January there is expected to be an announcement on Coetze along with another announcemenrt regarding the policy on foreign based players...only a week away..  
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Jan 2017, 23:56
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22 Jan 2017, 23:56#7
 A major problem is finding the money to end Coetzee's contract, SARU simply does not have the money.If I read between the lines then it seems like Alexander is not optimistic of Coetzee leading the Boks on a winning path. There is hope.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Jan 2017, 00:10
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23 Jan 2017, 00:10#8
Sack the utterly useless Coetzee and appoint Dave Rennie as head coach with Ackerman as his assistant  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jan 2017, 01:40
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23 Jan 2017, 01:40#9
 Chump change if you consider the revenue implications of continuing to lose......isn't there anybody with any brains in SARU.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
23 Jan 2017, 01:50
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23 Jan 2017, 01:50#10
Coetzee is an average super rugby coach. How was he appointed in the first place? No offence to the guy. But seems like a political or quota choice.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
23 Jan 2017, 02:41
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23 Jan 2017, 02:41#11
@3ku1, on paper he is one of our best coaches. Although we don't have many/any good coaches so that still makes him average at best. Certainly not international standard.
Ackerman of the Lions is the only other option- but he may have learnt his skills from John Mitchell. 
Not only do our players need coaches- we need coaches for our coaches. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jan 2017, 07:32
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23 Jan 2017, 07:32#12
 I think there is a new angle in dealing with the issue.   SARU may want to get rid of Coetzee - but they cannot because their ANC bosses won't give permission for them to sack Coetzee. 
Remember - Coetzee was appointed by Hoskins acting in cohesion with the Minister of Sport and although Hoskins was forced into resigning the Minister still holds sway.   The Minister has plenty of money - his wife was paid R36 000 000 for delivery of materials for construction of homes for the poor - materials that were never delivered and no homes were built.        
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
23 Jan 2017, 09:30
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23 Jan 2017, 09:30#13
This article suggests that Rassie Erasmus might have been approached to take over although Rassie is denying this . . . as he would until it became official.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
23 Jan 2017, 09:47
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23 Jan 2017, 09:47#14
 Munster have a good chance of going through to the European Champions Cup semifinal not to mention poised favourably to take out the PRo 12...so why would Erasmus walk away from all that potential success....with a long stint left on his contract to boot...he is becoming a rock star in Europe and he's going to swap all that to coach a floundering Springbok team? yeah right...
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
23 Jan 2017, 09:52
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23 Jan 2017, 09:52#15
Brycy, emotions make people do strange things.

You may well be right but I can tell you that when Rassie Erasmus was a kid growing up, he didn't dream of playing for or coaching Munster, he dreamed of playing for or coaching the Springboks.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
23 Jan 2017, 13:53
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23 Jan 2017, 13:53#16
 It’s easy to stay with Allister, [but] we need to make the right decision because whatever we do will impact our [2019] World Cup campaign, which we want to win.”

NZ is unlikely to be able to win that one as winning three in a row is counter productive to the promotion of the rugby business. It opens up space and candidates are up.
Loser rugby against loser rugby.
Now England will do a better candidate as, whatever happens, SA rugby is going down economically. Better to side with a NH nation to help rugby thriving.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
23 Jan 2017, 13:58
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23 Jan 2017, 13:58#17
 The Minister has plenty of money - his wife was paid R36 000 000 for delivery of materials for construction of homes for the poor

R36M is $2.7M

That is peanuts.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Jan 2017, 10:12
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24 Jan 2017, 10:12#18
Rassie rumours growing stronger!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Jan 2017, 11:16
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24 Jan 2017, 11:16#19
 “There are no quick fixes, we’ve got some seriously big decisions to make.The big real decisions will not in all likelihood be made as the rotten anc wont allow it.
If Bok rugby was owned by business people it could get interesting as they would demand results and this would lead to a clash with the anc. On balance I think you can expect moments of performance but days of Bok dominance per pre isolation are over unless merit and professionalism are adopted by all concerned.Hence why I enjoy the tennis so much.
Rassie is a rugby genius as I have noted before. However he would be wrong to take on the job given how his hands would be tied. 
Rooitwit never could appreciate the ability of Rassie. Rassie is far to deep for this goofster!  Sorry last gooster image represents JW! Second one represents ab ASS and his global warming/ climate change due man made to co2 hoax.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Jan 2017, 11:18
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24 Jan 2017, 11:18#20
 Per the rooitwit article link above.According to Erasmus’ management team, there have been no talks with SA Rugby regarding a possible move back to South Africa, with his lawyer, Frikkie Erasmus, telling Rugby365 at the weekend: "He is very happy in Ireland and he doesn't have the interference there that happens here in South Africa. He has a long stint to go on what is a very good contract."

Stuff the anc and all who support their racist views.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Jan 2017, 13:33
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26 Jan 2017, 13:33#21
We'll know in about a week according to this.

Don't know why this decision is taking so long . . . it's a no-brainer!
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