Completely outgunned in the physical stakes, they were creative and willing to take the punishment. As far as the Boks were concerned….Snyman, Sacha, Mapimpi were among our best. Disappointing Libbok, Moerat, Roos, and Louw.
This kind of match provides little reliable information…but looking at Roos being unable to impose himself has to raise a question or two.
Roos coughed up the ball twice….and was ineffective in his ball carrying. That against Portugal. He made 46 metres in 12 carries and beat one tackle.
Against Ireland Kwagga made 53 metres in 10 carries, beating 2 tackles and coughing up the ball once.
Kwagga was more effective against Ireland than Roos was against Portugal.
What else do people expect? having to play with 14 playes for the whole game and without another player for 10 mnuts caused problems for the Springboks and left gaps in following up attacks and gaps in defence.
What was indeed in the game was not touched on was the effectiveness of the balin hand attacking game wa seriously undermined by the player who should not have been in the tem in the first place - Estrhuizen. So what will happen next? There are 2 possibilities - namely that he is elft out of the Springbok sqad totally - or that he remains in the squad, but is never put on the bench as long as the Springboks picked a 6.2 bench selection.
As to the other potential yonger players is concerned I think the following younger players should reman in contention:-
* Fassie
* Feinberg-Ngomezulu
* Roos
* Wessels
* Venter (Hoker)
* Venter (Loosie)
* Buthulezi (Loosie)
The folowing playersis likey to be out of future Springbok squads:-
* Mostert
* Esterhuizen
I think we will see much more of Willeme and Feinberg-Ngomezulu in future - the altter in particular as he seems to be a better option to replace Pollard in future, I think that Pollard will quite soon be on the bench in teams as F-N will start as flyhalf - Pollard even until 2027 be the back-up flyhalf, The same could apply at 12 - wth Willemse the frst choice no 12 an backe up by De Allende.
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‘Without a doubt ….bullshit…an insult’ . But the numbers never back up your arguments. Considering the opposition Roos was poor yesterday. He has now been in 7 tests, 4 as a starter, and has yet to look like the replacement for Vermeulen. Hennie Muller, a Bok legend, only played in 13 tests.
I’m making no judgements, just recording the facts. But he needs to perform at test level.
Roos getting ripped in the carry by a wee wing directly sparked Portugal's first try.
Bull shit Pakie that’s an insult, the Boks were only playing with 14 men, and the wing wasn’t small. He was more physical than Mostert. And I’m sure it was raining in Bloem, the ball was slippery. How can you play ball in hand rugby (pardon the pun) in a downpour?
Case closed!
The gold standard is to see if he can hit two rucks with a broken leg and then walk himself off the field like Mostert. You know, powderpuffing.
And you have been telling the story of how Mostert was out mauled by a fullback….being stripped by a Portuguese wing seems very similar. Do you now tell us how lacking in physicality Roos is again and again.
Just remind me again what is the role of a great fly-half!
Is converting place kicks and drop kicks not part of his role if he is selected as a designated kicker?
If he cannot convert at a respectable percentage in each "TEST" he is classed as poor.
He is just another ELTON I'm afraid.
Great at Currie Cup and friendly games but useless in test.
Just wish to remind you of some of the kicks he missed in the RWC last year.
If he had stayed on as the #10 in any of the KO or final games we wouild never have pulled of the wins.
Thanks to Pollard we won the RWC.
Class not arse.
The denial runs thick here….the denial that Roos was ripped by a tiny wing…the denial that Libbok was and still is a match loser….the denial that Mostert has been a huge contributor as starting 5 throughout the WC.
Denial upon denial. Deny the stats, make judgements using a scale, even the coaches are wrong, but only in this instance.
Dave you have lost the plot…,nobody is giving up on Roos…yet. But don’t ask us to say he had an acceptable game when he clearly was one of weakest contributors.
The truth could go either way, Dave. You can see the wing's arm going in under the ball as Roos hits him and as the arm comes up the ball can be seen coming out too, that's what indicates a rip for me. We obviously can't see what actually happened and it matters as little in the big scheme of things as Mostert's moment with the fullback.
Your Mostert is my DDA. Never the two shall meet, we might as well stop trying to convince each other either way.
I might of course not stop trying to wind you up with it, you're more fun that way.
I see Mostert for what he does not bring and I see DA for what he does bring
That would explain a lot.
Here are the facts Rooos coughed up the ball twice , can you see the 2 Dave?
E Roos2300Against Portugal! Not France, not Ireland, not the ABs…..can’t you just admit he was disappointing against Portugal. It’s not a secret.
Player ratings are like stats, Dave. They mean fuck all, they provide zero context.
Speaking in general, not with Roos as a target .
Took another look….totally stripped by the tiny little Portuguese wing. He does a pick and go….bouncing right up into the face of the Portuguese 8 who can’t make the high tackle, but gets him low around the legs.
He stumbles forward into the wee, tiny, little wing. Roos fends him with an elbow to the neck. The wing stands his ground and Roos falls to the right. But the Goose is making contact directly below the ball and is resisting Roos’ move forwards, clearly obvious by how he plants his left leg
In the next freeze frame the ball is already out of Roos’ possession…ripped and going backwards towards the Boks line. Dropping the ball it doesn’t go in that direction. Force applied consistent with the Goose’s body position makes that happen.
Ripped by a tiny, little Goose….the verdict.
Give me the time stamp of the other Roos fumble Dave and I’ll explain it to you.
I found the incident you referred to…..that’s not a fumble. He obviously was involved in a third loss of the ball. In this incident at minute 33.35 he gets the ball with an overlap down the wing…..is tracked down by the tiny Goose flyhalf who he tries to fend…..the Goose sails in under the ineffective fend and deposits him right at the feet of the next Goose.
He falls perfectly, almost presenting the ball. Arendse comes in and actually wrestles the defender off the ball, but too late Roos had held on. And then Arendse is pinged for a cross roll yellow trying to fix Roos’ blunder.
This occurred because he never looked for support and isolated himself. Amateurish, ineffective running.
A frame by frame description….your’s was the lie putting all the blame on Arendse and pretending the ball just popped out of Rooos’ hands.
Arendse wasn’t in position….the fetcher was, perfect position….Rooos fell right at his feet. And poor as Rooos was, he never just dropped the ball….it came out as a result on contact with the Goose.