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Could the Abs defeat the Boks on soft, neutral fields

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2013, 08:59
#1
26 Nov 2013, 08:59#1

The YE tour raises some doubts. In the RC we play NZ on softer fields but their softer fields. And the bone hard fields of the highveld suit the AB game. But what if we played in the NH and those muddy tracks?


Certainly the Boks were easier winners in the YE. Easier winners against common opponent France...and never really challenged as the ABs were in all three of their games. Part of that might be that NZ has become the team to beat, so they face highly motivated opposition.


But part of it is also that the Boks dominated the collisions in all their games, in a way the ABs couldn't. The pack HM is evolving could become the dominant factor in world rugby. The one strategic element that renders all the other finesse skills null and void.


I like where we are.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Nov 2013, 09:04
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26 Nov 2013, 09:04#2
 they could play in a bowl of custard and it woudnt matter ,and it still doesnt seem to worry the ABS about collisions ,dominating the scoreboard renders that null and void .Much better where we are ...
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
26 Nov 2013, 09:24
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26 Nov 2013, 09:24#3
 Just two things:
1. Wardad is a prick2. You are very right Moz..AB's in the NH are no good..They need to be at home to win a WC and even then they needed help.. Springboks are far more comfortable in the NH with this team. We were never in doubt of winning a game this tour. We maintained control all game, every game and could have easily ended the tour with a clean sheet in terms of tries against.AB's wont win the WC in 2015. Its either gona be the Boks or one of Wales or England the way things are going! AB's will need to find a world class hooker (Coles is too small) but maybe Ged Robinson can step up.Their defence is also very shaky this year. They conceded way too many points against the Aussies this year, SA put 4 on them the moment we decide to run the ball, they conceded tries on this year end tour..They are just fortunate that their attack his pulled them through. Kind of like, you go score, we will just score more but they will meet a team with good defence (like SA) in 2015 and they wont have an answer.
Now we will get the kiwi's say but we put 5 on you in Ellis park but I can promise them that SA will never play that game plan against them in the NH. WC rugby..No bonus points needed! You go out to win the game and I dont see NZL piercing our usual solid defence too often.. We will outmuscle them. Pin them back with the boot and use the forwards to smash them up..
Looks like Meyer has a plan afterall. He is thinking about 2015 already...Seems anything else along the way is just a bonus!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Nov 2013, 09:50
#4
26 Nov 2013, 09:50#4

 Boklogic


I do not think that our defence were that good against the Welsh - even though they scored no tries against us.  The Welsh were unlucky to lose two of their best players early through injuries (Davies and Jones) and if the referee was wide awake and did refer the Du Preez try to the TMO - we would have lost that game.   In the 10 minutes he was on the field of play Davies ran past Fourie twice as if he was not on the filed of play.  If Davies could do it - so would the Smiths.


Mozart rightly pointed out that we lost the Ellis Park test because of poor defence.   Who were the poor defenders?   They were Morne Steyn, Willem Sloth Alberts and Engelbrecht.   Engelbrecht was replaced - the other two serial offenders are still in the team.   Even against the French Alberts missed 4 tackles and made 9 and Morne also missed a tackle.   That would not change - whether we play the AB's in England or Outer Mongolia.



MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
26 Nov 2013, 10:58
#5
26 Nov 2013, 10:58#5
 You blokes really are utter dreamers! Now it's the NH fields that are going to trip the ABs up?
Desperate times make for even more desperate excuses from completely desperate supporters.You lot are an embarrassment to this board and your Bok team! I can just hear Meyer in the changing sheds saying "Just wait until we get them on the NH fields boys, we'll show 'em!".
Sounds pathetic, admit it.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 11:13
#6
26 Nov 2013, 11:13#6

New Boks strategy: "release the grass grubs". Yeah, these grubs will eat the roots and soften the fields. Brilliant plan boys, it sure beats improving your team, lol 

 

Mozart, your humour is unsurpassed mate  I am about to rupture a gut I am laughing so much.

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2013, 11:41
#7
26 Nov 2013, 11:41#7
 Well before you rupture that gut JW, let's just look at our only data point....the 99 RWC. I believe we took your chaps to the cleaners in the Consolation match. What you guys aren't grasping us the RWC is a great leveller. These are pressure matches, and would you really be comfortable with "only count on the second barrel" Cruden making a RWC saving kick?
But who knows...perhaps you will get the Orcland Frog and Nifty Nigel to help save the day.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 11:55
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26 Nov 2013, 11:55#8

Yes the RWC is a great leveller for sure.

 

One advantage the ABs have is they play and train together for longer than most teams. In the RWC all other nations play together for longer and they develop as a team – this neutralises one advantage the ABs have and teams start to catch up. There are other factors too, i.e. a tournament format has its own challenges.

 

On the soft fields, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Poms start watering the fields and releasing the grubs a couple of months before the RWC kick off, lol

 

 

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Nov 2013, 12:30
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26 Nov 2013, 12:30#9
 Bok logic,Oxymoron anyone ?? Awww he called me a bad word ! No refutation of anything just the usual school yard rubbish ,truth hurts doesnt it ?So let me put it this way ,if your boys were winning like ours would that mean they were going downhill ? Wardad keeping it real !
PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
26 Nov 2013, 13:20
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26 Nov 2013, 13:20#10

C'mon everyone can make as many predictions as they like, other than a SH will win the RWC it'll be who adapts best to the pitch and conditions among other factors. All the major teams will be planning like with every RWC to win it.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 14:11
#11
26 Nov 2013, 14:11#11
 @Bok log - You are very right Moz..AB's in the NH are no good..They need to be at home to win a WC and even then they needed help.. Springboks are far more comfortable in the NH with this team. We were never in doubt of winning a game this tour. We maintained control all game, every game and could have easily ended the tour with a clean sheet in terms of tries against.
Bwahahhahahahaha but wasnt Beeno supposed to be delusional.
Now it appears suddenly more and more posters are agreeing with me. Hahahahahhahahahahaha
There are some kiwi denialists but their bubbl e fortress is about to go POP!

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 14:55
#12
26 Nov 2013, 14:55#12

Beeno: better prepare the NH fields so they are nice & soft for the beefy boks to fall on

 

 

(visualisation provided for those who need it)

 

Great "master plan" you have our full support! 

 

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 15:33
#13
26 Nov 2013, 15:33#13

Cloudy: these pictures/emoticons are available on the internet, e.g. http://www.sherv.net/mood-icons-10.html

 

But I often take several and combine them for those posters who have problems with the written word, lol

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Nov 2013, 15:37
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26 Nov 2013, 15:37#14
 Good one bro ! funny as hahahaha! which worms beandip ?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2013, 15:38
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26 Nov 2013, 15:38#15
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2013, 15:41
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26 Nov 2013, 15:41#16
 Above you have a gorgeous picture of the New Zealand flat worm......the only worm named after a country. No doubt these are the pesky slime balls used to weaken the turf at Orcland, whenever the Abs face the mighty Boks
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 15:55
#17
26 Nov 2013, 15:55#17

Mozart: your flat worm must have been censored as it is not displayed in your post (unfortuately ? ), lol

 

As we are well grounded no special preparation of the turf is required. The Boks & beefy NH teams trample it to a flat hard surface in the first half so we can play our speed game in the second half - thanks Boys . This is the secret as to why we come out ahead on the scoreboard late in the game.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Nov 2013, 16:27
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26 Nov 2013, 16:27#18
15/09/12 All Blacks 21 - 11 Boks (forsyth barr)
06/10/12 All Blacks 32 - 16 Boks (soccer city)
14/09/13 All Blacks 29 - 15 Boks (eden park)
05/10/13 All Blacks 38 - 27 Boks (ellis park)

oh, so thats why meyers Boks always have a zero% hand print across their face after facing the All Blacks, cos theyre not playing on NH soft grounds in neutral territory.
LMFAO,

so whose to blame for these test matche s being played in SA and NZ???

the ref???

the creative hypothesis that the saffas come up with is a tad bit pitiful, but i dont blame them one bit, cos beating the All Blacks is slowly but surely turning into a dream for the locals, so let them win in their dream make believe worlds, while the All blacks just crush the living kak out of them in reality aka the saffa nightmare,
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2013, 16:46
#19
26 Nov 2013, 16:46#19
Somebody nobbled the NZ flat worm, but fortunately it has been resurrected...so to speak  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 16:46
#20
26 Nov 2013, 16:46#20
 JW clearly the nz school system is up the pole. Can' t you count to 15? Bwahahahaha 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2013, 16:48
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26 Nov 2013, 16:48#21
By the way Sushi your whining during that Irish game was the most persistent of the season. Shame man, have you got no pride? 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,281 posts
26 Nov 2013, 16:50
#22
26 Nov 2013, 16:50#22
The All Black's have a coach who has been with them for 10 years, they have their most capped team in history. 
The Springboks are just recovering from having PDV as coach, surely the worst coach in history. 
If Meyer had inherited Jake White's team he would have done allot better than white wash the All Blacks in one season (2009).
However Meyer has had to do major rebuilding of the team. 

Comparing the All Black 3 narrow wins to the Boks easy wins, I would back the boks to beat the All Blacks if the World Cup final was next weekend in England, and I would place money on this.





MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Nov 2013, 16:54
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26 Nov 2013, 16:54#23
@mozter,

ive seen u troll, u can do better then that, and if u were lurking while the kiwis were blogging, u would know the bulk of my comments was really about, which was giving the irish their props.

so bring ur A game (A for All Blacks) and not ur B game (B for Boks), unless u prefer losing, then u can stick with ur B game (B for Boks).

LMFAO,
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Nov 2013, 16:57
#24
26 Nov 2013, 16:57#24
@sharkbok,


MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:03
#25
26 Nov 2013, 17:03#25
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE MIGHTY MIGHTY ALL BLACKS FOR AN UNPRECEDENTED 100% TEST WINNING SEASON!!!



08/06/13  All Blacks v France 23-13 (2:1) Eden Park, Auckland
15/06/13  All Blacks v France 30-0 (3:0) Rugby League Pk, Christchurch
22/06/13  All Blacks v France 24-9 (2:0)     New Plymouth    
17/08/13  All Blacks v Australia 47-29 (6:2) Stadium Australia, Sydney
24/08/13  All Blacks v Australia 27-16 (2:1) Westpac Trust, Wellington
07/09/13  All Blacks v Argentina 28-13 (3:1) Waikato Stadium, Hamilton
14/09/13  All Blacks v South Africa 29-15 (4:2) Eden Park, Auckland
28/09/13  All Blacks v Argentina 33-15 (4:0) La Plata
05/10/13  All Blacks v South Africa 38-27 (5:4) Ellis Park, Johannesburg
19/10/13  All Blacks v Australia 41-33 (4:3) Otago Stadium, Dunedin
02/11/13  All Blacks v Japan 54-6 (8:0) Prince Chichibu Stadium, Tokyo
09/11/13  All Blacks v France 26-19 (2:1) Stade de France, Paris    
16/11/13  All Blacks v England 30-22 (3:1) Twickenham, London
24/11/13  All Blacks v Ireland 24-22 (3:3) Lansdowne Rd, Dublin

very proud of u boys, and just look at that list of tough opponents, and u conquered them all.

friday the 13th is commonly known as black friday, so no surprises that the All Blacks should rewrite history in 2013, cos it has been a black year and then some.

on behalf of the uchiha clan and most folks here on sarugby.com, we thank u All Blacks for doing what no other nation could ever or will ever do.

GO THE MIGHTY MIGHTY UNSTOPPABLE ALL BLACKS!!!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:03
#26
26 Nov 2013, 17:03#26

Sharkbok


The only easy win was against Scotland - the other two could have gone either way - the Welsh one especially where the win was achieved as a result of a referee error. 


There is no way that the Springboks can beat the AB's with Morne at flyhalf.   He was piss poor against the Welsh and worse against the French.  One week is to little to find a replacement 13 that can be considered as reasonable - so what happens when the Davies spectacle against Fourie is repeated?


If the above players are replaced and we have a full squad - the Springboks will have a decent chance against the AB's - if Morne is replaced and despite the presence of Sloth and Fourie in the team.    



MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:04
#27
26 Nov 2013, 17:04#27
after reading these hilarious comments from our saffa brus, i feel the need to post this again, why???
cos for all the joy, smiles feelings of tremendous pride the All Blacks 2013 season has given its loyal kiwi supporters , it has the exact opposite effect on the saffas.
saffa misery is the icing on the All Blacks 2013 cake,
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:06
#28
26 Nov 2013, 17:06#28
@mikey,

get the F out of here right now.

did u not read the sign??? o_O

no level headed intelligent saffas allowed, so u saffex and rooy are banned from this thread.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:08
#29
26 Nov 2013, 17:08#29
 Yep I think all rugby men of acumen (and Cloudy in her heart of hearts) know who is the real number one now.
Take a bow Beeno as you foretold all this two years ago. Who backed Meyer from day one - whilst all were squealing and wailing away and ou maaaike, snapster and fellow travellors got it all so wrong. BEENO is the name.
How does he do it wonders saSUE and fellow travellors              
Ou maaaikie and snapster stand amazed. How come we got it so wrong and BEENO got it so right 
It's hard to be humble sometimes but one must try so I will stop here.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:09
#30
26 Nov 2013, 17:09#30
 too funny JW - even Beeno is having a hard time trying to catch up with your advanced sense of humour 
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:13
#31
26 Nov 2013, 17:13#31
after i put the no level headed intelligent saffas sign in the spotlight, brother beeno makes a very timely appearance,,,
LMFAO,

hi 5 brother beeno, holl ywood couldnt have written it any better, :oP
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:19
#32
26 Nov 2013, 17:19#32
 hack waaaahahaha you pictorial pie  , I hope you realise why ou JW only used ten worms - its all he can count to. Lets say JW is numerically challenged and of course is anything but advanced apart from folly. 

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:37
#33
26 Nov 2013, 17:37#33
   I have spoken to SANZAR! First ABs vs Boks Test next year will be in a swamp.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:45
#34
26 Nov 2013, 17:45#34

Beeno: you mean you need more than 10 worms? The Boks are in worse shape than I thought. But use as many worms as you need to get the softness of turf you require for the Boks to finally beat the ABs, lol Great strategy

 

Given your approach to numbers where no. 2 is no 1 and scoreboard numbers don't count I don't know what "counting system" you will use to keep up with how many worms you have deployed. I  am sure you will manage though - keep up the good work, we have faith in you Beeno 


PS they are not Bok players Beeno - interesting that this was your assumption.

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
26 Nov 2013, 17:47
#35
26 Nov 2013, 17:47#35
 hehehehehe can't believe you're all still up 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
26 Nov 2013, 18:17
#36
26 Nov 2013, 18:17#36

Good one Cloudy, keeping it real as usual, lol

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
26 Nov 2013, 23:39
#37
26 Nov 2013, 23:39#37
 Bean-head you shameful heathen sinner ! Your lack of humility and your sinful prideful ways have forced the Lord to make sure you are punished by his Black Angels at every turn ! Woe unto ye graceless sinner ......
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
27 Nov 2013, 01:03
#38
27 Nov 2013, 01:03#38
 Hasbeeno, I'm sure if you confer with the respected JW, he will confirm that there is a direct correlation between the number of worms to the number of players in your thugby team that are usually on the park at the end of a game!  
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
27 Nov 2013, 01:09
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27 Nov 2013, 01:09#39

 Here's one for you Moz.......if the hard grounds of the highveldt suit the ABs more than the Boks, don't you think it says a lot about the SA rugby brain that after 122 years of playing test rugby they still haven't developed a style to suit their own conditions??

 

You're an odd lot!

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Nov 2013, 09:50
#40
27 Nov 2013, 09:50#40

Moolaa: yes, of course I am always ready to support brother Beeno.

 

He has been distracted lately with thoughts of Cloudy. His calculations have gone awry for some time now what with 2 being higher than 1 in the rugby rankings & scoreboards not counting at all.

 

 

 

How can we expect him to keep his worm management program straight?

 

Kiwis to the rescue again I am afraid 

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