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07 Jan 2015, 20:33
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07 Jan 2015, 20:33#1

The following squad has been selected to represent SA in the Cricket World Cup:-


PROTEAS SQUAD: AB de Villiers (captain), Hashim Amla (vice captain), Kyle Abbott, Farhaan Behardien, Quinton de Kock, JP Duminy, Faf du Plessis, Imran Tahir, David Miller, Morne Morkel, Wayne Parnell, Aaron Phangiso, Vernon Philander, Rilee Rossouw, Dale Steyn.


There are three rather dubious selections in that squad - namely Behardien, Parnell and Abbott.   


I cannot think for one minute why a player like Behardien is selected - he is useless.   I would rather have thought they should take Stiaan van Zyl instead.   


Abbott is a journeyman - no real speedster in bowling.   I think Marchant de Lange is a better bowler.and more diffiucult to contend with.


Parnell has been poor in ODI's for the last year and is lucky to be in the squad.       

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07 Jan 2015, 21:18
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07 Jan 2015, 21:18#2
Agree with you that De Lange would have been a better choice than Abbott. 
I don't agree with you about Parnell, I think he can be very valuable to the squad, when on form a very capable batsmen and bowler. 
Unfortunately for Behardien, it hasn't worked out thus far in International cricket but he's most certainly not useless! Averaging 36 at a strike rate of 92 in List A is very good, and if he can bring this to the international scene, he'll be good.
V/Zyl is a promising batsmen, although in my opinion not one for ODI's just yet. 
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07 Jan 2015, 22:35
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07 Jan 2015, 22:35#3
 That squad sells us short. Berhardien, Abbott and Phangiso are not worthy.
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07 Jan 2015, 22:41
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07 Jan 2015, 22:41#4
 APD
I think that a peron needs to look at the batting averages of the two plaayers concerned:-
Berhadien
ODIs161522896322.2331791.160225550T20Is1610312031*17.14104115.380010240First-class86135114951150*39.92924053.58734570List A130109233159113*36.73340692.74321410Twenty2094752215797229.791260125.31058963350
Van Zyl
Tests331163101*81.5024267.351023020First-class9916327624917245.941212851.52162879116610List A8980102549114*36.41339375.1251323818250Twenty204742489686*23.57799112.14058223140In essence Van Zyl is a better batsman than Behardien - and a substantially better one at that.   He has a substantially better average in first class cricket -  45,94 against 39,92 - than Behardien has.   Van Zyl is a much more solid batsman than Behardien and in the recent tests showed that he is a reasonable bowler as well.  There are other stats as well that showed that Van Zyl is a better proposition than Behardien if you analyze the above carefully.   
I myself would have felt much more confident with Van Zyl in the squad than with Behardien.   With a batting average of only 22,23 in ODI's he definitely is below par.      
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07 Jan 2015, 23:01
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07 Jan 2015, 23:01#5
Why are you looking at first class averages when the World Cup is a one dayer?
If you look at List A, Behardien averages higher, with an incredible strike rate. Behardien is your textbook limited overs player, quick scoring and fast between the wickets.
Van Zyl without a doubt is a better batsmen in the longer form of the game, but I don't think he's suited to the shorter form. At least not yet.
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07 Jan 2015, 23:02
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07 Jan 2015, 23:02#6
 Also, does anyone know if Dane Piedt is injured?
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07 Jan 2015, 23:11
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07 Jan 2015, 23:11#7
 Berhardien is absolutely useless how he has played a single international match is be yond me.
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07 Jan 2015, 23:28
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07 Jan 2015, 23:28#8
Well, thank heaven for small mercies - Bavuma is not in the squad.  
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07 Jan 2015, 23:33
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 AP D
I am not entirely convinced about the List A games as well.   Here Behardin has a slightly higher average of 36,73 as against 36,41 - but if you look at the rest of the stats you will note the following:-
Behardien
Matches played   -   130Centuries           -      3    -   rate   43,350 plus              -     21   -   rate     6,2
Van Zyl
Matches played   -      89Centuries           -      5     -  rate  17,850 plus              -     13    -  rate    6,8
The above indicates that on average Behardien scored a century once in every 43 matches played -  Van Zyl scored a century once in every 17 games played.   Van Zyl also have a higher conversion rate in 50+ scores.
I grant you that Behardien has a faster scoring rate than Van Zyl - but the opposite is that Van Zyl is a much more secure batsman with an ultimate higher conversion rate.
With respect - I do not think "Behardien is your textbook limited overs player" - his batting average in ODI's to my mind proves the opposite.   

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08 Jan 2015, 00:59
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 I agree that Van Zyl is a more secure batsmen, but I just think for the position that Behardien bats in he's a better option.
I think ultimately their not even competing for the same spot because Van Zyl is a top order batsmen, either opener or no3 and for this role he is much better as he's more secure and can probably hold an innings together better.
Whereas, Behardien is a lower order batsmen, usually around 6, which explains why his conversion rate is less - he's role is basically to go in and hit a quick 30/40/50. 
If we look at his last match against Australia for instance, he came in late in the innings and hit a quick 63 of only 41 balls.
So the question shouldn't be Van Zyl or Behardien as I don't they're in direct competition with each other. 
Please don't misunderstand me and think that I think Behardien should start, I don't believe so.
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08 Jan 2015, 00:59
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08 Jan 2015, 00:59#11
 Oh and I meant textbook limited overs player in his style, which is a quick run getter in the lower order.
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08 Jan 2015, 07:13
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08 Jan 2015, 07:13#12
 APD
Van Zyl definitely does not open batting in any foramt of the game - but he has batted from 3 to 6 in  Cobra games while on local level Behardien bats at 4 for the Titans. 
A faster batter  in ODI's with a batting average of 22,23 and a highest score of 63 in 16 games is not of much use to my mind.    Incidentally that hiighest score of 63 was in a recent ODI in Australia.    That was the only score of substance he made in that series - he made one other score of 22 - one of ten and two ducks.    Without that one his batting average is in fact 18,58.
Still not happy - but there is nothing that could be done about that one by any of us .      
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08 Jan 2015, 07:23
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08 Jan 2015, 07:23#13
 How can someone this stupid have the gall to question the team:
"There are two rather dubious selections in that squad - namely Behardien, Parnell and Abbott" .   
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08 Jan 2015, 07:34
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08 Jan 2015, 07:34#14
 Shut up moron - you did not comment on the squad - and your stupidity is unlimited.
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08 Jan 2015, 07:47
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08 Jan 2015, 07:47#15
Maybe so, but at least I can count to three..bwaaaaaaaahahaha.  
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08 Jan 2015, 11:42
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08 Jan 2015, 11:42#16

APD Berhardien is nowhere near in the same league as v/Zyl.....given v/Zyl is clearly an attacking bat, he would have been a far better option - no contest I can assure you.

 

Berhardien is technically flawed and therefore cannot expect to cope with the best bowlers out there. His international record confirms this.

 

 

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08 Jan 2015, 12:11
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08 Jan 2015, 12:11#17
 The one way of comparing players' attacking play is to compare their strike rates. Behardien's strike rate is 91.17, which is what is required of a no 6 ODI batsman.
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08 Jan 2015, 12:23
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 When the squad was named - the report said that CSA took a chance with the selection of Duminy and De Kock - since the two players had some rather seriouss injury problems and were out of cricket since the Windies matches started.
Duminy made a statement that he is fine - and that he would return for the Windies ODI's.   He seems to be over the knee problem that impacted on him for a considerable time now.
De Kock injured suffered an ankle injury in training before the start of the first WI test and the recovery period was given as 6 to 12 weeks.   There has been no formal report given on his progress - and the 6 weeks recovery period would transpire towards the end of January.   However, the following comment on him was made in the report on the announcement of the squad:-
 "The good news was that De Kock took the last two steps out of the dungeon from which the players appeared on the stage on Wednesday in one large leap. Clearly, the treatment is working. "We’re hoping he will be ready by the time the World Cup starts," Hudson said."



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08 Jan 2015, 12:30
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That would be fine if he actually made runs at 6 instead of looking like a complete prat most the time. I have not seen such a poor looking bat in ages and it is beyond me how he has won a single cap.

 

He is awful......I saw him make runs once and much of that knock comprised edges.

 

His ODI average of 22 says it all

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08 Jan 2015, 12:56
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08 Jan 2015, 12:56#20
 Ceradyne
You cannot just look at the Strike rate - the rate should be coupled to the ability of a player to make a reasonable number of runs as well - and that is where Behardien comes short seriously .      
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08 Jan 2015, 15:32
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 Uhm..... pot... kettle.... You were looking at his averages in isolation. I looked at the bigger picture, i.e. strike rate and I had a look at his normal batting position. As APD has said, he never comes in at an early stage of the innings. When he comes in, and there is a foundation, his role is to get going straight away. He has shown, however, that when push comes to shove he can dig in and post high scores as he has shown when he got that 63 against the Aussies. Even then, he did that at a rate of around 1.5 runs per ball .
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08 Jan 2015, 15:45
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08 Jan 2015, 15:45#22
Geez, imagine finding positives in useless Berhardien, that is as bad as doing the same for Morne  
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09 Jan 2015, 09:59
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 My confidence in the squad is pretty damn low, it must be the worst prepared Protea side going into a WC. With injuries to key players who are being rushed back without adequate preparation I don't hold out much hope.


Parnell, Phasingo and Abbott are provincial players and the speedster who had select me written all over him, Marchant Se Lange, has been left out of the squad.



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09 Jan 2015, 11:18
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09 Jan 2015, 11:18#24
  Denny - my friend
First of all a belated new years wish of everything for the ebt to you and yours.
I am also disappointed by some selections and would have preferred Marchant de Lange ahead of Abbott and Stiaan van Zyl ahead of Behardien in the team.    I also have seriou doubts about Parnell.   But the squad has been selected and there is nothing that can be done about it.
Insofar as the injured players is concerned - I do not think that the selections would have been done without full medical reports on the two players concerned.  Being only 21 years old - it is likely that De Kock's injury is healing faster than expected.   As for Duminy - he is likely to be back for the ODI's against the Windies starting next week.
On the whole I am quite optimistic that with the team to be selected from the squad we will do well in the WC.   I think Faf's return from a slump is overdue.   With present info and bearing in mind the first game of SA is in New ZEaland, the team against Zimbabwe is likely to b as follows:-
1   Amla2   De Kock3   Du Plessis   *4   Rossouw     *5   De Villiers5   Miller6   Duminy7   Parnell8   Philander9   Steyn10  Morkel11  Tahir. 
*   The key is the form of Du Plessis and I am sure that ossouw will get better with more games.   
The team has three frontline bowlers.   Tahir is good in the shorter format of the game - but the other 20 overs can in fact shared by Tahir, Parnell and  Duminy.
Lets be optimistic and hope for the be st from each of the selected players.                   

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09 Jan 2015, 11:46
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Denny the worst selection of the lot is Berhardien........how this guy is playing cricket at the highest level is beyond me.

 

Its insulting.....an ODI average of 22 aged 31.......give us a break

 

v/Zyl ahead of Berhardien

Harmer ahead of Phasingo

de Lange ahead of Abbott

 

is how it should have been. I like Parnell, but not to start.  

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09 Jan 2015, 14:16
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09 Jan 2015, 14:16#26

Mike and Dave


Guys, let's be honest.....it's a kak squad finish and klaar. The clowns can't be serious, most of them were out here recently and were disgraced.


Cry ne a river and they go and pick the same kak.  You wanna prey that Amla and AB come good, I'm not about to hang my neck out for the rest.

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09 Jan 2015, 16:24
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09 Jan 2015, 16:24#27
Denny - I have a bone to pick with you.

Why did you tell me this idiot Beeno had changed ? He is still exactly the same immensely childish twat that he was 10 years ago.
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10 Jan 2015, 02:33
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10 Jan 2015, 02:33#28

 Grow up!


All I see is you squawking all over the forum about "Denny told me"...it's what you think not what I think.


For awhile there I thought he had changed and become matured, it was my opinion at the time, obviously I was wrong.


I apologise for causing upheavel and untold devastation  and misery in your life.



I can only pray that you recover.

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10 Jan 2015, 02:36
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10 Jan 2015, 02:36#29

and by the way the current thread is about cricket....feel free to contribute.


The Facebook post was private correspondence....thanks for sharing private mail in an open forum, it seems to be the in thing around here. 

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What ? You said something nice about Beeno, that's all I really shared. Mind you, if I said something nice about Beeno, I may also be frustrated from his most recent behavior. And thanks for the commiserations. I am certain I will recover.
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10 Jan 2015, 03:40
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The fact is it was in private correspondence....and thanks  for making a mountain out of a molehill.

Thanks also for remembering that at a critical time of your life with family illness and migration , I was there for you with words of encouragement and even just the mere thought of touching base with you when really I had no need to. 



Frankly though, I don't get how someone on a rugby forum can loom as large in your life as Beeno has.....Really?


 Wow man, that is some bone if that's all I'm guilty of.

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Lol....talk about mountains from molehills.
Denny, you were there for me mate. Sorry I forgot to mention you  In fact you were one of very few that bothered checking in. I am very thankful for that.
Beeno doesn't loom large. Doesn't change the fact that he's a cnut.
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10 Jan 2015, 06:49
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10 Jan 2015, 06:49#33

Enuff said.

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To the top for reference. 
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So from what I've read on this thread ... we have no chance ... poor selections thrown into a pot that's already filled to the brim with "choking" ... right??

Think I'll watch anyway.

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20 Jan 2015, 14:16
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If we play our best 11 we will be in the mix....on paper we have the best side

 

1. Amla 2. de Kock 3. Faf 4. AB 5. Miller 6. JP 7. Rossouw 8. Philander 9. Steyn 10. Morkel 11. Tahir will take some beating.

 

Abbott, Behardien and Phasingo should not have been in the squad.

 

I don't mind Parnell as a squad player, providing left arm variety and a useful enough bat.

 

But it should have been de Lange, v/Zyl and Harmer ahead of Abbott, Berhardien and Phasingo 

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