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Crusader and Bulls Performances 2012

Started by clevermike5 REPLIES335 VIEWS· 17 Jul 2012, 22:41
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2012, 22:41
#1
17 Jul 2012, 22:41#1

Statistics are a bad way to predict outcomes of Matches - especially as it is influenced by issues such as injury to key players, whether it relates to Home and away games and also the motivation of players.   In the current year also some teams did not play some other teams - but there are still some comparative figures when performances of the Crusaders and Bulls are concerned.  There is another complicating factor and that is that the teams played twice against teams within their respective conferences.

The best methods are to compare the results of games played by the Bulls against teams the Crusaders played and then see how that measure up.

Crusaders

Blues (2)                Game 1 Away   =   19-18     Game 2 Home    59-12

Highlanders (2)      Game 1 Away   =   24-27     Game 2 Home    51-18

Chiefs (2)               Game 1 Home  =   19-24     Game 2 Away     28-21

Hurricanes (2)        Game 1 Home  =    42-14    Game 2 Away     22-23

Cheetahs (Away)                                                                     28-21

Lions (Away)                                                                            23-13

Stormers (Home)                                                                     31-24

Waratahs (Away)                                                                     37-32

Reds (Home)                                                                           15-11

Rebels (Home)                                                                        19-28

Western Force (Away)                                                             38-24

Bulls

Sharks (2)             Game 1 Home  =   18-13       Game 2 Away    10-32

Stormers (2)          Game 1 Away  =   17-20      Game 2 Home     14-19

Cheetahs (2)         Game 1 Away  =   51-19      Game 2 Home     40-24

Lions (2)                Game 1 Away =    32-18     Game 2 Home      37-20

Crusaders (Home)                                                                     32-30

Brumbies (Away)                                                                       36-34

Rebels (Away)                                                                           41-36

Waratahs (Away)                                                                       27-24

Chiefs (Away)                                                                            22-28

Blues (Home)                                                                            29-22  

Reds (Home)                                                                              61-8

Evaluation of the outcomes of the following teams the two teams played against indicates that the Crusaders beat the following teams at home:-

Bkues

Highlanders

Hurricanes

Stormers

Reds

They lost at home agaist the following team:

The Rebels

Analysis

They beat the new Zealand teams at home by large margins  -  but against the other three teams they were not that convincimng.   Although they beat the Stormers and the Reds - they lost against the Rebels.  The Stormers played a makeshift team against them because of injuries and the same problem was also encountered by the Reds.   The loss against the Rebels was indeed surprising.

 

The Bulls

The Bulls won against the following teams:-

Sharks ((Home)

Cheetahs

Lions

Crusaders

Blues

Reds

Brumbies

Waratahs

Rebels

Analasys

The Bulls won a number of away games - but struggled against the Sharks away and the Stormers - the latter both at home and away.    They won all the games they played against Australian teams and playing away against the Chiefs they lost by a reasonable small margin.    Although they won by small margins in Australia - they beat the Reds by a massive margin at home.

There is not much difference between the outcomes of the Crusaders and Bulls played against the same teams.  For instance the Crfusaders bewat the Waratahs 37-32 - whilst the Bulls beat them 27-24.   The Crusaaders beat the Cheetahs comprehensively by margins in excess of 12 points - the Crusaders manage a 7 point win against them.   The Crusaders beat the Reds at home by 15-11, and the Bulls beat them at home 61-8.    The Bulls beat the Rebels away - the Crusaders lost against them at home.

The Question is - WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THE ABOVE INSOFAR AS THE OUTCOME OF THE PLAY-OFF GAME ON SATURDAY IS CONCERNED.

Looking at the information as outlined above - I believe that the Crusaders this year was not entirely convincing at home.   They beat the New Zealand teams easily at home - but struggled against teams from Australia and South Africa - also a Stormers team weakened by injury.

Based on the above analysis - and not history of previous years - I believe that the home ground advatage is a real issue.   As such I think that the Crusaders have a 65% chance of beating the Bulls (nothing more) - but if the Sharks lose against the Reds and they have to travel to Cape Town they would have a more difficult problem - in view of their of their rather patchy away record. 

 

 

 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jul 2012, 23:13
#2
17 Jul 2012, 23:13#2

You're right, I think. Tha Bools had a couple of scratchy games, but so did the Saders and if the right Morne pitches on Saturday and they can get their loosies to help the tight 5 comes scrum time, they might be in with a shout. I just hope the steep hill they have to climb does not go sit in the back of their minds and have them give up easily and roll over to be slaughtered like the beef they are.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2012, 23:19
#3
17 Jul 2012, 23:19#3

Draad you are a gentleman and an optimist. These Bools will be served well done by the time the game is over.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jul 2012, 00:46
#4
18 Jul 2012, 00:46#4

One lives in hope Moz but I fear relying on the bulle to win this one is like leaning on a staw.

If I knew there was some fight in the bulle I wouldd have more hope. Will they be wearing pink or blue if you get my drift.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2012, 07:54
#5
18 Jul 2012, 07:54#5

Beeno

A very real observation.   I do not think the Bulls in pink is a threat to any team.    But Mozart says they will be served well done - I think in pink they would be served underdone.    I give them a small chance - but not if they turn up in pink and play like palookas.   In pink they are going to lose and lose big time.

Problem is the Kiwis do not know the taste of a wonderfully prepared underdone fillet steak.  They are into mutton and lamb-  and to a lesser extent than the Aussies - into sheep shagging as well.:) 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2012, 11:00
#6
18 Jul 2012, 11:00#6

I  gave the sport betting on the outcome of this game elsewhere - but I am very near the mark in giving the Crusaders a 65% chance of winning - if the bookmaker odds are taken into account.  

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