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Damian de Allende vs Andre Esterhuizen Complete Season Stats

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Apr 2019, 05:59
#41
23 Apr 2019, 05:59#41

Where are the stats for rucks/cleared and turnovers made...importand stars for a center in tbe modern game.

You gues know that the coaching team has alll sorts of sfats available to them...things you don't see in official stats and on TV. The TV obviously jyst follow the ball. Thinking players read the game and doesn't always play towards the ball...I know he seems stupid, but there is a reason why he is being picked ahead of the other pretenders.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
23 Apr 2019, 08:02
#42
23 Apr 2019, 08:02#42

Where are the stats for rucks/cleared and turnovers made

It would be great to have those Draad, but to my knowledge the data centers we currently have access to don't provide them. I don't really understand why they provide turnovers conceded but not turnovers won.

but it also shows that dear Andre is still weaker than De Allende.

Haha, so in order to make De Allende look bad, we "came up" with a data point (or "formula", sounds more sinister hey?) that actually demonstrates a win for him over his rival. Genius!

I think you should spend more time in the garden or something Mike. Anything beats this bitching just for the sake of bitching that you're engaged in now.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Apr 2019, 08:44
#43
23 Apr 2019, 08:44#43

No Pakie 

Not necessary - I do not make up a formula for stats which is not recognized anywhere else -  I look at stats accepted worldwide as a norm like missed tackle ratio.

I also do not look at stats only as a player evaluation method.   I also look at what actually happened during games and base my comments on that,

What is clear  is that the much criticized Erasmus knows more about rugby then you and Mozart knw about the game and that he sees the difference between Esterhuizen and De Allende,   He selected De Allende to start in tests ahead of Esterhuizen in all tests when the former is available.

I do not start the argument about the center situation ever - I merely stated  that I see the situation differently at all times looking at both on-field performance and stats of both players.   I do not try and manipulate  stats to get a result to justify anything.    In other words I also see deficiencies of both players involved and stated clearly that neither is without deficiencies and that when it comes to selection neither is perfect.     I have repeatedly written that lookin at other players should also be considered.    

Until the latter option is found and we remain  with De Allende and  Esterhuizen no amount of skyscraping makes the latter the preferred option.             

     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Apr 2019, 16:49
#44
23 Apr 2019, 16:49#44
Actually Super Rugby does have a pilfer stat......led by Am with 3pilfers.......ooops. But always honest, I have to report that Duh Allende has 2. Perhaps we should try him at open side...haha!
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Apr 2019, 17:18
#45
23 Apr 2019, 17:18#45

Moz, he is obviously no 6, but he has played at blindside in a test at some stage...think vs Wales in the USA...

The point I'm trying to make is that the coaching staff has access to much more data than we do...and like I said before, you pick combinations and you pick different teams for different opposition. The camera tend to follow play. The telemetry data of the players will show the whole picture. The TV doesn't show how Eben/ Matfield pops up on the sideline to make a try saving tackle on a wing. Stats can never weigh the importance of one particular tackle and what made the player anticipate where to position himself...

Not talking about DdA here, we all know he can do stupid things...just saying Rassie might be like a bigger picture that we are unaware of.

De Allende is like an extra flank in the backline like Kolisi is like an extra center amongst the forwards. Mabe there is balance the somewhere? I'm missing it too though.

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