Daunting task facing Springbok rugby

Willie, Kriel, Dud Allende, Pollard, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Lomp, Dud Toit, Vermeulen….were  all regulars for HM 9 years ago. None will likely play in WC2027.

Eluckmiss had the incredible fortune of being gifted the best pack since readmission at a young age. There is no new Bok forward who looks set to be a great in 2027. The replacement of these giants is a huge issue, which hasn’t been tackled yet.

At the same time Australia imploded, New Zealand declined under a poor coach and the Europeans flattered to deceive.

It’s been a golden period for Bok rugby to flourish. The path ahead looks much rockier. And the hiring of a NZ backline coach and tacit politically difficult admission that Stick is useless, recognizes  that we will need a broader game going forward and that we have to build Bok backline play from scratch.

Good luck with that under Eluckmiss….I give Brown one year.

It's almost 4 years away, new talent will emerge to fill the gaps the same as what happens in NZ.

Its is a changing of the guard and a rebuilding that will happen. How good some of the guys Dave mention will at test level will be seen.

Personally I don't think we are starting from scratch regarding backline or attack play generally. There is a great core of young Boks to go forward with who are brilliant on attack.

But changes are not always seamless . Fortunately the Boks have an astute and courageous coach.

Mozart

You have no idea about you write on this site -  what you write on site is total and utter BS .  You have no idea about what a fool  you made of  yourself.    Every thread you started on the S Springboks are aimed against Erasmus and since your knowledge of he game verges on zero - it is amazing after years of supporting  electing of non-performers was as is justified,    For you  the following BS by you is real while in fact it is BS  spreading galore.

  Willie, Kriel, Dud Allende, Pollard, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Lomp, Dud Toit, Vermeulen….were  all regulars for HM 9 years ago. None will likely play in WC2027.

Other than Etzebeth none of the above players were Springbok regulars.    To give you an example Meyer could not decide whos hould eb the flyhalf - Lamb or Pollock/   Most of the above were replacement players under Meyer and he nearly destroyed Pollard as a flyhalf when he wanted him to be a duplicate o Morne.   Meyer's role and that of Coetzee as an exercise in futulity.  

 "Good luck with that under Eluckmiss….I give Brown one year."    Have you any proof of Ersmus being a negative when it comes to coaching.          

The semi final team in 2015. Willie, Kriel, Dud Allende, Pollard, Malherbe, Nyakane, Etzebeth, Lomp, Vermeulen all part of Eluckmiss’ 2023 plans.

ed caps: 701 tests (starting 15)

Here’s Jakes 2007 final team…..two players from the 99 WC team….Percy and Os. Jake had to build a team, Eluckmiss inherited one.

Mozart

We know the final team in the 2007 WC and we also know that in thats eries the S pring boks were the no 4 ranked team in the world - while the highest raked team the  Springboks aced in that series was England ranked 7th in he world.    We also know that the Springboks were playing the worst match plan ever in any WC  series and final.   

If the Springboks had to compile a combined team to play in WC finals - the only players from the 2007 WC team o be in the selection would be maybe Habana, Matffield and Burger as bench selections.   Not a single other player in that series made a real impression in the final anyway and even Smith as captain after the final admitted there were no  plan as to how to score tries in the game plan in that final.

What  Erasmus inherited from his two incompetent predecessors were a group of totally demoralized players who lost against any opposition they faced.   He had to mentally rebuild the team and the players totally to turn them into a competitive team.   This is the normal daily hogwash spread by Mozart on a daily basis on site.

You get it in the case of elderly people who got confused and became mentally unsound - e should join his hero Biden in an asylum for mentally incapacitated people.

mozart

 Shitspreading is all you are capable of.      What was the ranking  of the teaams S A  played in 2007.    S A wa sranked 4th - England 7 and Argentiona 6 - no other team S A played was ranked above 10.   If they lost  against such  opposition - it would have been a national disgrace.   If they had to play a team h igher han them in 2007 they would h ave lost  badly eg the A BCs in the Tri-nations beat the Springboks 33-6 in 2007.    The road to the final in 2007 was the easiest one ever for the Springboks or any oth er team that won the WC since the styart of the comp.      .   

In both the 2019 RWC and in 2023 in the Round Robin stage SA played the number 1 teams in the world and lost - no disgrace.   Yet they became the World Champions - showing the team spirit and the coaching by the best coach  in the world.        

So idiot-speaker what tactics did Jake white added to the Springbok team?   O yes he did add one - how not to play against Australia - losing 46-0 in 2006.

When are you going to stop writing shit on site?   You are becoming as idiotic as Biden is - you better consult a shrink - maybe he can help you a bit.

Dave 

Don't be hard on  Mozart - he suffers from Bidenitis.    one should rather pity him.   

A case of Bidenitis again - that being the case with loss of perspective and logic - as well as inventing of BS of an unimaginative nature such as talking to dead people.   A pity about that Mozart.   Your shrink can maybe delay deterioration so an appointment with him is advisable.        .  

Truth bomb….Eluckmiss lost to NZ in 2019 and never played anybody worth a damn after that. He lost to Ireland in 2023 and kicked his way to victory over 14 men in the final…and then  channeled Savanarola and RG Snyman.

Non existent Truth Bomb invented  as a result of Bidenitis in your case.   Mental incapacity is taking  over.  

Clapper Mike, state which of the facts are untrue. We didn’t lose to NZ in 2019. We didn’t lose to Ireland in 2023. NZ  didn’t play half the game with 14 men. Pollard didn’t make the crucial kick, Barrett didn’t miss a similar  kick….restrict your addled brain to those few data points. 

We know the truths and we know the facts - not the brain deterioration that caused BS deductions like you made on site.   Lets get clear about facts and made-up BS deductions - then a discussion will be  possible,    By the way Mozart  - why are you so obsessed about Erasmus.   Is it because you lied about his coaching career  and got caught out.   This BS  on your part has been continuing since 2018.    What is wrong with you?       

"Clapper Mike, state which of the facts are untrue. We didn’t lose to NZ in 2019. We didn’t lose to Ireland in 2023. NZ  didn’t play half the game with 14 men. Pollard didn’t make the crucial kick, Barrett didn’t miss a similar  kick….restrict your addled brain to those few data points. "

GO BOKKE!!!...largest data point is the 2 RWCs...it still counts irrespective of any other data points.

Great effort by the  Springboks to lose a match in the Round Robin Phase and fought back to win the Champs inspired by the best coach in the world.    That is how 99,999999% of real rugby lovers see the situation  - the other 0.000001 % of the rugby is spoken about by real rugby lovers as an idiot..             

Okay so what would have happened if we won….we would have played NZ in the Quarters. In fact by losing we had the easier path, we played the mediocre French team. Schplottt!

IF my aunt had balls she would have been my uncle.   Listen dimness an argument starting with IF can only be regarded as ridulous and stupid.   Just remember IF never h appened.    

14 men for a net 40 minutes….which handicaps as 10 points down. Eluckmiss felt Fourie was his best choice, so nop e, that doesn’t get any handicap.

So you say Dave. I’ll concede the 2023 passage was harder than 2007. Not the final where we played a team down a man for half the game. Not the semi where we played a terrible English team and almost lost. But certainly the QFs where France was much more formidable than Fiji. But we won those games by the skin of our teeth….in 2007 we were clear winners.

Then when you look at 2019 vs 2007 a different story emerges. Fiji with their fabulous 2007 backlines were much more dangerous than Japan who rode a wave of emotion.

In the semis one would say Wales were more dangerous than the 2007 Bargies. But that Argentina team beat France and Ireland in the pool games, Scotland in the QFs and crushed France in the Bronze final. They were a much more formidable opponent than Wales in 2019.

Then in the final it was the English team still with players who were WC champs in 2003. Not as formidable but still a force as they showed by taking out Australia in a very tough QF and then the French team, riding high after their NZ win.

I would say the finals were about a push, especially as England’s win over NZ in 2019 was a huge effort they couldn’t  make again.

Tougher quarters, tougher semis….equivalent finals. De facto 2007 had harder knockouts even if the historical form book suggests otherwise.

We prayed our final vs France in the quarters. 

The 2019 final, the  2023 match against France and the Twickenham warm up against NZ were the high points of Eluckmiss’ tenure.

Low points were the 2019 Welsh match, the semi against England and the 2023 final when risk aversion turned those matches into arm wrestles which could have gone either way.

Hopefully with the new coaches we will have the ambition to use all our resources and play total rugby.

You praised White and Meyer for playing  10 man rugby as been "traditional Springbok rugby" and now  you claim that Erasmus did the same.    What has gone wring in your top storey?   

Nothing ….our success is built on a foundation of defense and forward power. Under HM, PDV and Coetzee we strayed from those underpinnings, when a bunch of fools were screaming for an expansive game….you included.

Then Eluckmiss and/or Nienaber set that right, but strayed into 1980s Bools’ up and under rugby, which squandered our possession. What we should do is build on our defense and forward power, but add some backline finesse and also pay attention to our forward running game.

To do that we need an effective forward ball carrier and the ability/permission for the forwards  to offload. We also need a creative inside center who can open things up by timing the pass and occasionally run a good cut ala Joe Cool.

We have most of the resources, but watching Scotland I couldn’t help but envy the Duhan type of wing, who could be so effective coming in from the off wing. This is one missing element in our small wing set up.

Is the mist beginning to clear?

Mozart

Lets get down to real facts.   According  to you the Springboks did not paly real rugby under Erasmus and I doubt very much whether there is an AB supporter from New Zealand who moaned about the about that AB red card more repetitively than you did.

Your hatred of Ersmu,s and of certain S pring bok cannot be natural - but it makes you wrote BS on site.