MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Feb 2024, 18:41#41
Clapper nobody in the history of social media has written more nonsense than you…..starting with your ‘hatred’ of Pollard, Mostert, Esterhuizen, Juan de Jonah, Jake White, HM, Coetzee and incredibly even Victor Matfield…..and your disastrous ‘hatred’ of Novak Djokovic, who you said was washed up 3 years ago after which his reeled off one less Major than Connors did in his whole career.
But your most hilarious commentaries are saved for the US political scene which you totally get wrong, thinking it operates like the tin pot local governments where civil servants like you were treated in corporate boxes.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2024, 09:48#44
Moz you are speaking crap the 2019 and 2023 where far harder than Jake’s 2007 who only had to play England twice
Your attempt at downgrading the England side in 2023 falls completely flat and is a load of rubbish when you consider the fact that in 2007 we thumped the England side in the pool game.
As for trying to tell us Argentina back then had much clout is another joke much like trying to imply Fiji would ever mount a WC knockout challenge
As for the 2023 final again utter bullshit - NZ down to 14 men as were SA for 20 min including the last 10 min. We also had no specialist hooker for 78min and the game was played in the rain
The bare facts of the matter are that the 2007 route to the final under Jake was the easiest in the history of the WC - this is a fact. They only had to face England twice versus Rassie having to face NZ, Wales and England to win it and then in 2023 we get the polar opposite to Jakes route with the 2023 route being by far the most difficult one in the history of the WC - again a fact. You just can’t argue against having to play Scotland, Ireland, France, England and NZ to win it
Fucking amazing achievement.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2024, 15:23#45
I proved my point game by game Dave…..Fiji more dangerous than Japan …..the on form 2007 Bargies way better than the hopeless 2019 Wallies….the 2007 WC Poms at least equivalent to the 2019 WC Poms.
And the 2007 WC team never lost….the 2019 team did.
2007 was the harder test, case closed.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2024, 15:38#46
Oh what rubbish you have proved absolutely nothing - it’s laughable
Fiji backline more dangerous than Ireland - beyond a joke
Argentina better than Wales - nearly as big a joke as the above
Yes 2007 never lost as they had no reputable opponents to play against - hellooooo. They only had to play England in the pool, then minnows Argentina and Fiji in the knockouts and then England again in the final.
That route my friend is the easiest WC route in the history of the competition and that is a fact.
I’m not even going to mention the 2023 WC as it blows Jakes route so far out of the water that it’s immeasurable. It’s the easiest vs the hardest routes ever - fact
In 2019 Rassie had to face NZ, Wales and England to win it. That is a far sterner test than Jake having to play England twice - again a fact
At no point prior to 2019 has Argentina or Fiji ever ranked higher than Wales, Ireland, England, France, Oz, SA or NZ, so your take on the credibility of Argentina or Fiji back then is a joke
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2024, 19:08#49
Fiji were never a threat just like Japan were not.
Telling us Argentina were better than Wales is bullshit. Argentina back then were bog ordinary, while Wales has always been up there. Telling us Argentina beat A, B and C equally applies to Japan beating the likes of Ireland in 2019.
Handily beaten by NZ, bullshit we had the better of NZ but for the Mapimpi rush that he fucked up
As for the red card - yet again bullshit - I’ll say it one more time, hopefully the last time. Boks were down to 14 for 20 min including the last 10 min when the game was in the balance and when games are won and lost, we had no specialist hooker for 78min to enforce the numerical advantage in our set pieces - if you don’t get that you don’t understand the game. Oh and the game was played in the rain - hardly conducive to spreading it wide to again take advantage of the numerical advantage
We all know that WC are measured by the top tier countries you face - not the Japan’s, Fiji’s or Argentina’s of this world.
The facts of those WC are:
2007 - we played England twice
2019 - we played NZ, Wales and England
2023 - we played Scotland, Ireland, France, England and NZ
My mother could tell you based on the above that 2007 was the easiest and 2023 the most difficult. End of
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2024, 20:16#51
How can a match you lose not count - it’s still a contest?
In 2019 we played Japan instead of Ireland you say - well Japan beat Ireland in that WC did they not?
In 2023 we played France and NZ anyway
In 2007 we only played England, you can try talk up Argentina as much as you like but we know exactly where Argentina stands in the pecking order especially in those days. Argentina have become more of a force of late thanks to their players playing abroad, their team being included in Super Rugby and the RC but still remain below the top 8 most of the time
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2024, 22:24#52
So Japan is a fair contest, but the Bargies aren’t. England with many WC winners isn’t a fair contest, but the current shambolic teams is. And it doesn’t matter for a net of 40 minutes NZ played with 14, even though Wales in 2019 down by 9 points, picked up 10 points on France in 31 minutes after the French forward was red carded.
Eluckmiss benefitted from a string of lucky breaks, without which there was not even one WC.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2024, 23:56#55
No I said Japan was nothing it was you telling me how great the Argies were because they beat X and Y, I’m merely pointing out that I could have said the same about Japan who beat Ireland etc
The England side Jake played is no better than the current England side. There is nothing shambolic about them - they produced the goods when it counted in the WC and are now 2 up in the 6N. The gap between all the top sides has narrowed - there is no such thing as a poor England side, it’s a good side under a new coach
Yes NZ down to 14 men was never an issue for them as SA because of their lack of a hooker were unable to dominate the set pieces which would have happened had they had a specialist hooker. Had we had a specialist hooker NZ would have suffered with a man down as our forwards would have dominated the scrums and created more in the line outs. We would have comfortably won that final. What also assisted the Kiwi’s was the Boks being down to 14 for 20 min including the last 10min. Also the fact that it was raining meant that playing it wide was never going to be an option which again suited the Kiwi’s with a man down.
Of course Jake won by that margin of points evidencing how easy his games were - he only had to play England twice
2023 margin is clear evidence of how hard that route was
Fuck me Moz don’t be ridiculous - comparing Jake’s easy ride to the 2023 campaign is insulting
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2024, 00:01#56
No Mike Moz is just stirring the pot
We know he is not stupid enough to believe Jake’s WC was comparable to both of Rassie’s campaigns
You simply can’t equate England twice and Argentina vs NZ twice, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France and England twice over two campaigns unless you are profoundly stupid and maths is not a strength of yours