Dave a WC final education.

Dave once again you have mentioned that the Boks had 20 minutes in the bin, as if that evened up the NZ red. So I have dumbed it down for you:

Minute 2 Frizell gets a yellow…..NZ down a man for 10 minutes

Minute 27.. Sam Cane gets a yellow upgraded to red before the yellow is done…..NZ down a man cumulatively for 53 minutes

Minute 45 Siya Kolisi gets a yellow…..NZ down a man cumulatively for 43 minutes

Minute 73 Kolbe gets a yellow for 7 minutes….NZ down a man cumulatively for 36 minutes.

So no the Boks were always even or a man up, They were never down a man. For 36 minutes of the match they were a man up, which is an advantage. Obviously this varies with circumstances. But there was a comprehensive study in the Premiership. Here are the results:

The 2022/23 Premiership season saw teams during a ten-minute, or sin-bin length, period score an average of 3.44 points with 15 players.

When reduced to 14 players, this dropped to 2.23 points, and only 1.68 when playing with 13.

Conversely, a full team would concede an average of 2.97 points, with this figure growing to 4.91 points with 14 players, and as high as 9.5 points with 13 players.

So teams scored 3.44-2.23 points less and conceded 4.91-2.97 more points, during a yellow card. That adds up to 3.15 points lost during 10 minutes or 12.6 points lost for a full half.

For the net 36 minutes the ABs were a man down that’s 12.6 * 36/40=11.34 points.

Now perhaps scoring is higher in the Premiership than a WC final. But even if it was double the ABs would still have been disadvantaged 5.67 points. This is far greater than our one point win margin and so, for honest supporters, it detracts from our win. Especially as we can see worse head contact not even being carded in the current RC.

I hope that clarifies things for you. As for your rebuttal that we played without a hooker for most of the game that was entirely due to a calculated decision Erasmus made. And for those who think he is a genius, one which undoubtedly, the er great man decided was in the Boks best interest.

I trust you can follow the simple logic.

Mozart

You are as per normal you are talking real time shit. If is zero proof of anything. It has happened many tomes that a team loose a player getting red-carded and still won games, It happened in a tes last year here St Estehuizen got red-carded in minute 3 and copped a ban of 4 weeks after that won the test by a large margin. It can be argued that at the best of times St Estehuizen was neve of any real valu for h Springboks in any test and Cade was way past his best and actually retired after that WC anyway,

But IF is no excuse or allegation that can be used a a brain fart anyway - but never stopped you from having brain farts on a continuous basis anyway.

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Remind us again Darkness, who were the Boks playing when they won with 14 men……France, Ireland….or perhaps Portugal?

Some people don't seem to get that while we were a man up for about half the game, the All Blacks never had a man up advantage, only a man down disadvantage. The Bok yellows just returned parity, no advantage.

It's still sad that a borderline red like that had to be forced in a World Cup final. We've seen much worse get no more than yellow since.

Moz you could never educate me on the final as you fail to acknowledge the counters to your standard ‘we beat 14 men’

Im not saying us being down to 14 men for 20 min gave NZ an advantage I’m just pointing out a fact - We were down to 14 in the crucial last 10min of the game as well.

Yes Rassie made a poor call not having a specialist hooker on the bench, I’ve never said otherwise but that does not detract from the impact that had on the Boks

With the AB’s down to 14, with a flanker off, we should have then been in a position to dominate the set pieces in particular the scrums. With that domination we would have won more penalties and with that more points on the board.

But without a specialist hooker, our ability to enforce set piece dominance was nullified, particularly in the scrums and to a lesser extent in the line outs, where Fourie’s throwing in was poor.

Rassie, contrary to everyone else’s take on this selection, believed Fourie’s value outside the set pieces would outweigh his set piece shortcomings and Rassie was right

Also we had the weather - it was pissing with rain. Rain and heavy underfoot is hardly conducive to spreading the ball and taking advantage of the numerical advantage

Add the fact that the AB try should never have been awarded as there was a clear forward pass and we had Kolisi botch a certain try by taking contact instead passing to an unmarked player

We won the final because we were the better side just like we have done 7 times in the last 10 we have played the AB’s. The best side won as this stat proves

Add the fact that the AB try should never have been awarded

But the first one should have as the TMO had no mandate back then to check more than 2 phases before a try. I just wanted to see a 15 vs 15 contest - I all but lost interest in the game when they handed out the red.

Impossible to lose interest in a WC final game when your side is involved

IMPOSSIBLE

The red ripped the heart out of the game for me. It ceased to be a fair contest at that moment. A once in four year event, they need to be more circumspect about decisions like that. Kriel didn't even require an HIA.

Us having no specialist hooker evened the playing fields - add the crap weather

WC final stats:

Metres ….NZ 459…Boks 360

Defenders beaten….NZ 37…Boks 14

Clean Breaks…. NZ 7…..Boks 4

Passes….NZ 221….Boks 84

Tries….NZ 1….Boks 0

And now the key stat:

Kick success …NZ 2 of 4…..Boks 4 of 4.

There’s the whole game laid bare. A team that was a man down for a net 36 minutes played all the rugby.

Oh what crap stats tell you 20% of what actually happened - provides zero context

The Boks were the better side as they are right now

The best side won

Mozart

Your amatuer stats usage is worth about as much as the shit I flush down my toilet,

I posted a reference to an article in which usage of stats as a means to evaluate team performaces produced clear farts of no value other than it got stuck in your brain - people calls is brainarts - of which you have an oversupply,

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