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de Allende/ Am centre pairing

Started by Saffolk 17 REPLIES1,319 VIEWS· 19 Aug 2021, 23:04
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2021, 23:04
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19 Aug 2021, 23:04#1
Damian de Allende and Lukhanyo Am continue to form a formidable midfield combination that could eventually see them surpass the Bok Test pairing record held by Jean de Villiers and Jaque Fourie, writes CRAIG LEWIS. Both De Allende (29-years-old) and Am (27) are still on the right side of 30. As a combination, they have now been part of successful Rugby Championship, World Cup and Lions series campaigns. The duo have featured as the Boks’ starting midfield pairing in 14 Tests. That number will increase to 15 as they resume duties in the midfield against Argentina this Saturday. By the end of the year, fitness and form permitting, De Allende and Am could quite possibly extend their starting appearances alongside each other to around 20 Tests. That would take them past another legendary duo of De Wet Barry and Marius Joubert, who played together in 18 Tests as a centre combination. Still in another league altogether, De Villiers and Fourie remain the most iconic Springbok midfield duo, and famously seemed to almost be able to read each other’s mind when it came to orchestrating backline plays for a decade between 2003 and 2013. Yet, without much fuss or fanfare, De Allende and Am have begun to move into a modern-day class of their own. In global rugby circles, both players are widely regarded to be the leading centres in each position, and as a combination there are none better in world rugby. If De Allende is the Boks’ blunt-force weapon in the midfield, Am strikes just as incisively with pinpoint defensive reads and subtle touches on attack such as the famous no-look pass in the World Cup final. It’s been a period of widespread milestones for the Springbok squad. De Allende himself just earned his 50th Test cap, following on from Steven Kitshoff, Handre Pollard and Siya Kolisi, who all achieved the same milestone in their last few internationals. Lood de Jager will reach the 50-Test cap mark this weekend, while Trevor Nyakane is just three appearances away from his half-century. It all paints a picture of a Springbok squad that will boast remarkable experience when the defence of their World Cup title rolls around in 2023. All of a sudden, that tournament doesn’t actually feel that far away. Yet there is plenty of Test match rugby still to be played before that global showpiece, and nothing to suggest that De Allende and Am won’t continue to evolve and expand their midfield partnership. Becoming the Springboks’ most-ever capped centre combination will certainly not be on their radar, but it’s also not an insignificant prospect. They are now halfway to the remarkable 29-Test pairing record of De Villiers and Fourie, and with the amount of international rugby on the calendar nowadays, that number is really not that far away. Similarly, Faf de Klerk and Handre Pollard (18 Tests as a halfback duo) are soon set to surpass Fourie du Preez and Morne Steyn (19), and are also well in line to go beyond Joost van der Westhuizen and Henry Honiball (24) to become the Boks’ leading 9-10 combination in Bok history. Eben Etzebeth and Lood de Jager (24 Tests together) won’t go beyond the famed lock combination of Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha (63), but will undoubtedly move into second spot in the Bok record books once they surpass Mark Andrews and Krynauw Otto (25). This current class of Springbok players are increasingly establishing themselves as one of the greatest generations in the modern era. De Allende and Am, with plenty of Test rugby ahead of them, could especially go down as arguably the best-ever Springbok centre pairing. And considering the competition, that is an extraordinary prospect.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
19 Aug 2021, 23:11
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19 Aug 2021, 23:11#2

Does anyone outside SA really believe these 2 are the world’s best centre combination?

I think not……

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Aug 2021, 23:27
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19 Aug 2021, 23:27#3

Formidable at what? Damian has botched every chance to link with Am. Each and every instance. Poor Am must miss the Esterhuizen who sprung him free at will. This highlights how utterly useless the mouthpieces are. They are formidable because they've played together a lot? Not because they've actually been productive together? Utterly ridiculous. On his own, Damian has produced pretty much nothing all year. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2021, 23:30
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19 Aug 2021, 23:30#4
Moola they are by far the best centre combo in the game No other country knows who their best pair are as they never get selected as a pair for any length of time
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Aug 2021, 23:36
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19 Aug 2021, 23:36#5

No they are not. Am is one part of a good combo that José and his dinosaur gameplan resist. The Boks perpetually fail at centre, which is by far the weakest aspect of our attacking game since the late 90s. I ask again, what have Damian and Am achieved as a pair? Considering that Damian has botched 100% of their interactions. The best centre pair in the world? You gave Damian his coronation after losing the 2015 Brisbane test all on his own. Your words are worth absolutely nothing. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2021, 23:54
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19 Aug 2021, 23:54#6
Yes they are - they are by far the best
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Aug 2021, 23:56
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19 Aug 2021, 23:56#7

Again, cite one instance where they have both had one interaction with a positive outcome. Just one. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Aug 2021, 00:30
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20 Aug 2021, 00:30#8
Virtually every test they have played together They outplay their opponents every game they play Did so all WC, and throughout the Lions series FACT
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2021, 01:22
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20 Aug 2021, 01:22#9

I don’t think they are a partnership….nor were Jean and Fury. The number of times Jean broke and Fury was nowhere to be seen. Which is why the Jean/Adi Jacobs partnership was better….Fury individually may have been the better player, Adi was the better partner.

As for Dud and Am, they are ships passing in the night. As for Lomp and Etzebeth as a historical partnership, that’s really stretching credibility.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Aug 2021, 01:35
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20 Aug 2021, 01:35#10
Geez Moz you and Adi Jacobs - he was useless - revolving door Jean and Fourie were a great combo de Allende and Am are proving a great combo Certainly the best and most settled centre test combo today Other test sides change their centres regularly and the reason is obvious. Making a regular impression as a centre in modern day tests is an impossible task. The opportunities to shine are virtually non existent De Allende and Am work well together. They are brilliant defensively. de Allende provides the brawn on attack, Am the touches and gile. Am always gets himself in the right place at the right time. Great rugby brain with plenty of skill
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Aug 2021, 02:20
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20 Aug 2021, 02:20#11

Damian is the most fundamentally flawed 12 at tier 1 level at least. Plenty of tier 2 centres who are vastly superior. Am is elite, and not realising his potential. He is just there to tackle and shift the crashball from 12 to 13. Their combination has accomplished no positive outcome in coordination. In fact, the partnership has been embarrassingly poor this season. Damian cannot link up with Am even if he is a couple of feet away. His skills are so poor that when all he had to do was literally hand off into Am's abdomen for a clean run to the line, he failed. Sending a flick behind Am's head. The other? Resulted in a forward pass. This from "by far the best" Centre pair in rugby. First it was Serfontein and JJ (the latter the best 13 since readmission), then Damian and Kriel. You don't have a clue. Your calls at centre, each and every one, fails and exposes your deficient analytical skills and general rugby acumen.

On Saturday Damian will face another 12, a real 12. De la Fuente is an actual tier 1 centre. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Aug 2021, 09:22
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20 Aug 2021, 09:22#12

Whether Allende and Am are the world's best. An be debated but what is certain is they are a very good combo.

The Org comments are once again absurd.

Then we have Mozzz trying to tell us Adi was a better partner for Jean than Fourie.

These two  are driving each other to new hights of insanity daily. It's quite concerning. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Aug 2021, 11:38
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20 Aug 2021, 11:38#13
They are the best as I can’t think of a better combo right now in world rugby because there are none Individually de Allende is the best 12 in the game and Am is up there with the best 13’s if not the best 13 in the game Game time together makes them a great combo, the best in the business
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Aug 2021, 11:58
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20 Aug 2021, 11:58#14

They are the best for what reason? The Boks are floundering on attack as Dummian eats up possession for no positive outcome. In the end, you rate them the best because they've played productively together for a long time. You have typically low standards of an Englishman. 

Damian isn't top 30 at 12. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2021, 13:06
#15
20 Aug 2021, 13:06#15

Ask Pollard for that idiot speaker.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Aug 2021, 13:29
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20 Aug 2021, 13:29#16

Pollard likes to kick these days. Doesn't like to use the ball. Ask him yourself for that, "idiot speaker". #DonkeyBallz

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2021, 15:40
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20 Aug 2021, 15:40#17

You entirely missed the 2019 WC Final?    besides - there is nothing wrong with kicking provided pressure is placed  on recipients,   For instance Carter kicked more than Morne did in matches  but the dfference was Carter's kicks were strategic and  effective as part of an attacking play - Morne's was BS in capital letters - in other words possesion turnover kicks and  aimless,    Kicking is part of strategic backline attacking anyway,       

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Aug 2021, 21:20
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20 Aug 2021, 21:20#18

Morné, between 2009 and 2013, had a 77% retrieval rate on kicks. His Bulls teams during 2019 and 2012 had the best linebreak to try ratio in domestic rugby. You really are a buffoon.

So far, our team kicks and hopes the opposition knocks on, because none of our players are good in the air themselves. It's ugly donkeyball. Wonky, inaccurate shallow high balls all over the field. And if we retrieve the ball, our 9 kicks it AGAIN! 

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