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de Allende MOM

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Apr 2021, 12:05
#1
26 Apr 2021, 12:05#1
Munster finally broke their duck against PRO14 champions Leinster under South African coach Johann van Graan, with a Man of the Match performance by Springbok midfielder Damian de Allende sparking his side into a magical victory in the Guinness PRO14 Rainbow Cup that will be remembered for a long time to come. Apparently he is shit though!!!!!!! Hands down the best 12 in the game - pure power and skill
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Apr 2021, 13:50
#2
26 Apr 2021, 13:50#2

Damian is and always be a failed wing hybrid who became an unintelligent and unskilled and predictable crashballer. 9 years and counting. Ende. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Apr 2021, 14:09
#3
26 Apr 2021, 14:09#3
He's been consistently excellent for Munster.


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Apr 2021, 14:30
#4
26 Apr 2021, 14:30#4

I do t trust the sources in that. I have thoroughly assessed every test and all of three entire super rugby seasons, and he has never lived up to the hype. Whenever the micoscope comes out to bring details to light the truth is another matter. Until I see something more substantial, for a change, I dispute the validity of this. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Apr 2021, 16:02
#5
26 Apr 2021, 16:02#5

Kindergarten Imbecile 

Your assessments is not on performance - but on total lack of  knowledge about the game of rugby and the microscope you referred to has been broken for years now.   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Apr 2021, 18:54
#6
26 Apr 2021, 18:54#6

For the normal biased idiots got the MOM  was based in the following:-

Distance  if ball carries              -       58 Meters

Ckean Breaks                             -        1

Defenders   Beaten                    -         7

Carrias                                        -        5

Off-loads                                    -         3

Turnovers                                   -         2

Try-Assist                                  -         1

Munster beat Leinster - the strongest team in Ireland  and top of the of in the Heineken Cup log -   beat Leinster  27-3,  despite the fat that Leinster have most of the Ireland national team in their line-up.       

D e Allende played a massive roll in that victory,

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Apr 2021, 19:19
#7
26 Apr 2021, 19:19#7

Not too shabby...some nice stats, but the haters will continue...

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Apr 2021, 19:58
#8
26 Apr 2021, 19:58#8
Man that first try he sets up in that match is classic - a handoff, step, speed and great offload to Connor Murray who scores Pure class Omelette shut the fuck up you ignorant prick
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
27 Apr 2021, 15:05
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27 Apr 2021, 15:05#9

De Allende is probably our best centre, although 4 missed tackles, haven't seen his highlight real or the game at all. So won't judge. 

Esterhuizen been cited for another foul play, wonder what happened to Serfontein. Been very quiet of late. 

He should just go back to the bulls. 

The is Rohan Jansen van rensburg still injured or actually playing. 

Sale posted something about him and Tualagi being a probably the biggest midfield in the premiership

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SebPro2,680 posts
27 Apr 2021, 17:09
#10
27 Apr 2021, 17:09#10

We have always had good centres, we always have had but perhaps not as good as NZ, De Allende is world class too but nothing wrong with Andre Esterhuizen too ..the more the better.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Apr 2021, 17:32
#11
27 Apr 2021, 17:32#11

He missed 4 tackles.....how many did he make?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Apr 2021, 19:10
#12
27 Apr 2021, 19:10#12

Now seen a video of the assist. Best I can see he handed off a small fat prop whose arms weren’t long enough to reach him. Then dummied a guy who had to cover the overlap.....  tractored through some open territory and passed to Murray who was supporting on the inside. Hardly Cheslin Kolbe stuff but certainly high Dud!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Apr 2021, 19:31
#13
27 Apr 2021, 19:31#13

Hard to please you - not so?  Fact is that De Allende is a talented and very strong player who played a major role in the WC final  in 2019  - a role you did not want to see,    Pollard at flyhalf did saw it and he is  the best  center he  ever played with and  you must remember that he played with Jean de Villers in a few matches as well.     

Be it as it may -   he is rated by  many foreign critics  as the best inside  center in the world   at present whether you like it or not.             

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Apr 2021, 19:31
#14
27 Apr 2021, 19:31#14

Hard to please you - not so?  Fact is that De Allende is a talented and very strong player who played a major role in the WC final  in 2019  - a role you did not want to see,    Pollard at flyhalf did saw it and he is  the best  center he  ever played with and  you must remember that he played with Jean de Villers in a few matches as well.     

Be it as it may -   he is rated by  many foreign critics  as the best inside  center in the world   at present whether you like it or not.             

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Apr 2021, 19:45
#15
27 Apr 2021, 19:45#15

Gosh I said it was High Dud....pity about the missed tackles.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Apr 2021, 23:07
#16
27 Apr 2021, 23:07#16
Moz you really are a laugh
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2021, 14:09
#17
28 Apr 2021, 14:09#17
Just telling it like it is Dave.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
28 Apr 2021, 15:32
#18
28 Apr 2021, 15:32#18

Damian has never had a breakout test. Never has he ever been a key Bok. He is worthless as a player. I posted his entire 2018 test season, which was lauded as greatest in the world material, and it was one big shameful flop. Wise up. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2021, 16:49
#19
28 Apr 2021, 16:49#19

A classic ‘the king has no clothes’ phenomenon.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Apr 2021, 17:49
#20
28 Apr 2021, 17:49#20
Now if that had been useless Adi Jacobs or de Jongh making that break it would have been a classic break in your eyes You are predictably weak - I’m not sure who is worse, you or Omelette? I guess he walked the MOM award because he had a really crap game. You lot are beyond embarrassing - it’s boring
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Apr 2021, 17:56
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28 Apr 2021, 17:56#21

Dave it is better to laugh about the bullshit Mozart and the Kindergarten Imbecile spout on site /   I tried to argue and explain to them - but they always comes up with distortions and outright lies to cover up for their rugby ignorance,   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2021, 19:16
#22
28 Apr 2021, 19:16#22

And I’m not sure who is fatter Dave, you or the small fat prop Allende handed off... 

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becsPro4,378 posts
28 Apr 2021, 19:33
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28 Apr 2021, 19:33#23

Oh my ! It’s that time again, is it Mozart ?! 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Apr 2021, 19:36
#24
28 Apr 2021, 19:36#24
How childish Moz, is that your best shot? Why do you bother supporting SA rugby - seriously?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2021, 19:50
#25
28 Apr 2021, 19:50#25

Well Dave....let’s see.

‘You are predictably weak’

‘Moz you really are a laugh’

You see Dave you always start the personal stuff and then whine when I respond. I think that was a perfectly ordinary break by Dud, you think it shows some sort of genius. Doesn’t make me weak, or a laugh or anti South African rugby.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Apr 2021, 21:38
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28 Apr 2021, 21:38#26
I just get tied of your inability to give credit where it is due. A player does not win a MOM award playing an ordinary game just like a player does not win world player of the year being as average as you make him out to be It’s just bullshit man, you never evolve. I never said it was a genius break I said it was a damn good one which it was. The best part was the great offload. But we hear he was tractoring, what the fuck is tractoring anyway and what makes his run, with a step tractoring as opposed to any other player making a similar break? It’s just utter nonsense But why do I bother - I do find myself questioning why I’m here when it’s the same old crap all the time. This board has become stagnant and its sad. You and Mike just trade insults all day and we have idiot Omelette talking about a game none of us have watched I question your support of SA rugby because let’s face it you see very little positive in at least 80% of the players and you don’t rate our coach. The same guy who took us from 7 to 1 in 18 months, winning a RC and WC in the process Imagine finding fault in the merits of that kind of CV in the business world. You simply would’nt for if you did you’d have stayed the office post boy Come on Moz for fuck sake
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2021, 22:00
#27
28 Apr 2021, 22:00#27

Exactly where you were when Jake was coach Dave...I’m just walking the path you established after we won the 2007WC and you could see no merit in it.  Winning the WC with no structured back play and 20% the offloads of our opponents is not growth. 

Unlike you and Mike I always claimed we  could win with defence. You guys denied it...but when it happened it suddenly became the greatest thing since sliced bread. 


I repeat myself the Boks should always be very competitive if they sort their defence and play to their forward strengths. But if we want to be great we have to add backline play which doesn’t rely on turnovers. A Bok team should be able to walk and chew gum. 

Erasmus coached exactly what Jake did, but even more narrowly.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Apr 2021, 22:54
#28
28 Apr 2021, 22:54#28
Bullshit Moz, the Boks scored more tries, beat more defenders, made more clean breaks and gained more metres than any other side in the WC - that equates to the best attacking side in the competition They also happened to have the best defence - ie the most complete side I never rated Jake for good reason, his record leading up to the WC was shocking. It was great in his first 2 years, but instead of progression he declined, hardly the direction you want your graph going now is it? Jake was about to be sacked pre WC and to the rescue came Eddie. These are facts. As is the fact that in that WC we only had England to play as a top tier Nation, you can try talk up Argentina all you like but back then they were less of a threat than they are today and even now we don’t afford them top tier status. In 2019, we had to play the AB’s, Wales and England - huge difference These are all facts, just like Rassie’s graph in the second year soaring. Rassie is a much better coach than Jake ever was - he is far more astute But coaches aside, you find little favour in the majority of our players. You don’t achieve what we did with average players. We have the best players in the game, always have had, just far too many inept coaches directing them
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Apr 2021, 03:38
#29
29 Apr 2021, 03:38#29

He declined in his third year because Burger was injured and the whole team was under the Watson controversy. So much so that Jake had to fly back from Oz to defend himself.

I like Willie, Kolbe, Mapimpi, Am, Pollard, Faf, the Beast, Marx, Malherbe (a late convert), Etzebeth, Mostert, Snyman, Louw, Vermeulen.


Amongst our test team that leaves the Duds, Kolisi and Lomp, who aren’t disasters, just very over rated. Hardly the majority of our players.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Apr 2021, 05:43
#30
29 Apr 2021, 05:43#30

Mozart will not accept that before the WC in 2007 the Springbok team was bullied in a  33-6  loss by the All Blacks and  in the WC they struggled against Tonga and Fiji 0 the fact is that those two teams scored more tries against the 2007 Springboks than all teams scored against the Springboks in 2019 ,    Fact is the 2007 final was a mess  and the evidence is clear for all to see - the Springboks were substandard  in important  aspects of the game.   I recently watch the two finals and the fact is that  parts of the 2007 was a shambles aa a result of poor ball skills, deficiencies i ball protection and recovery at breakdowns  and even their scrumming was questionable in 2007.   They were lucky that the English  team discipline were poor  in 2007.  

Mozart's ignorance of the game is summarized  in one statement  he made -  "He declined in his third year because Burger was injured"

H e has yet to understand that RUGBY IS A TEAM SPORT and that all players play a part  in games and  if  teams like happened against the AB's by a big margin - the absence of one player is not what caused the team failure.

Anyway Mozart's attacks in Erasmus started immediately after he was appointed and can only be ascribed to the fact that he supported the appointment of Coetzee as the coach in 2016 and could not stomach it that Coetzee was ousted because he was totally incompetent.    In 2018   the attacks by Mozart  on Erasmus intensified and in response  comparisons to Meyer's first year as coach got him and the Kindergarten Imbecile inti a frenzy,   It was only after Mozart continued with attacks on  Erasmus continued that Dave and  I started  looking at what happened in the case of White in 2007.   

Petty attacks on players because  of prejudice  covering the period  since 2013 to date  based on some site members supporting  the players represents  extreme childishness /    The man is a nutcase to be laughed at. and the Kindergarten  Imbecile is even worse than him/     .          

ong before any comparison was made between him and any other coach.    It  got  progressively worse in 2018 when  the compaarisons inaoruisbn between      

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Apr 2021, 01:31
#31
30 Apr 2021, 01:31#31
Saying Jake struggled because one player in Burger was not available is ludicrous. Schalk was not even really that good back then. He was solid but very predictable. It’s one hell of a weakness if he let Luke derail him. No Moz, Jake started well, then got found out and had no means of a plan B, enter Eddie to save his bacon By not rating players I’m talking our SA provincial players in general, your list is endless As for de Allende, Kolisi and PSDT they are amongst our best. de Allende and PSDT are the best in the game in their respective positions. Kitshoff is by far the best loosehead in the game
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Apr 2021, 01:48
#32
30 Apr 2021, 01:48#32

Well that’s finally a concrete argument Tokkie. The 2007 Boks struggled for their wins you claim . So we look at some numbers and oops:


2007 WC  total points...305 for/ 89 against. Positive differential 216.

2019 WC total points.........262 for / 67 against. Positive differential 195.

Now it’s true we played an extra pool game in 2007, but it was against Scotland...a top team. On average our pool teams in 2007 ranked 56/5 =11....in 2019 with patsies like Italy , Canada and Namibia  the opposition ranked 60/4=15

We played a much tougher pool in 2007....a full 4 ranking points tougher. Nobody told you that I bet.

It seems the 2007 Boks won more easily even though the 2019 defence was stingier, because they simply were better at putting points on the Board.


On balance it’s a win for the 2007 team based on point differentials and also because unlike their 2019 successors, they were undefeated.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Apr 2021, 02:26
#33
30 Apr 2021, 02:26#33

Dave do stop repeating yourself unless you want to add some facts to support your arsertions ....my word for something you pull out of your arse.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Apr 2021, 06:35
#34
30 Apr 2021, 06:35#34

Mozart

Are you trying to get facts that does not exist  to argue about something, that does not exist going again.     Lets  first look at the  actual pool games played in 2007 and there were NONE -  SA did not play Scotland in the 2007 WC.   South Afrcia was in pool A and  the pool teams were as follows:-

England, Samoa,  Tonga and the USA 

Scotland was in Pool C - so how did we play them in the WC?   

You claimed  SA  in 2007 scored  278 points and gave away  86.  Fact is SA  scored - the points difference was  192.     So you were totally wrong again and caught out again, 

So lets look at 2019  WC.    The pool games were against the following-

All Blacks, Namibia, Italy, Canada

The AB's at the start of the WC was the world number 1 team  in 2019 - England in 2007 was the number 5 team in the world.     Fact is that the English team was weak and handicapped by too  many over-the-hill players - the 2019 team would have beaten the 2007 tem by at least 20 points/

So lets s look at the  real point differences:-

      2007 for              2007 against     Difference             

         278                          86                    192

      2019 for              2019 against     Difference 

         262                          70                     192

Since the point difference were the same  one has to look at the TRIES Scored for and against as what represents the real performance differences:-

2007 for              2007 against     Difference             

     24                           8                    16

2019 for              2019 against     Difference 

     32                           4                    28

The latter  is the exact  point differences and not the imagined difference between  the tams you cooked up  - the tries score for and against  being the real norm.    

Now lets look at the play-off stages  of  the tournaments concerned:-

*     Fiji in 2007  was poor and  Japan was an entirely different scenario.   By 2015 Japan already able to disgrace the Springboks  beating them,   In the 2019 WC they beat Scotland  and  Ireland to top their pool.   The Springboks faced a much stronger team in the quarters  in playing Japan than they did  in having played  Fiji in 2007

*      Wales in 2019 was a vastly stronger team than Argentina was in 2007.   But for two try-scoring opportunities fouled up by Le Roux - in  knocking on  ball  with an open try-line in front of him and  the other with a forward pass to the wing with an open tryline in front of the wing  the point difference would  have been much higher.   The game  was actually won by the Springboks through  the  very difficult try scored by De Allende.

*      England in 2007 was a farce and the 36-0 loss against SA in the pool stages confirmed  ,y statement as to their real strength in that series/   They got through to the final by a narrow  margin they managed against France,    The problem was the playing strategy was  changed  by White  in the final that helped England to be competitive,    However,  a 32-12 win in 2019 against a team that convincingly  beat the AB's a week before confirms  the fact the 2007 England team was weak and the 2019  English team was much stronger.  

Finally a plea to you - if you want to quote figures in site please make sure it is  correct and factual.              

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
30 Apr 2021, 14:05
#35
30 Apr 2021, 14:05#35

Augenblinde 

:Damian has never had a breakout test. Never has he ever been a key Bok. He is worthless as a player. I posted his entire 2018 test season, which was lauded as greatest in the world material, and it was one big shameful flop. Wise up. 

What?

https://youtu.be/EkprCgDnNCk


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
30 Apr 2021, 14:40
#36
30 Apr 2021, 14:40#36

A tribute video? Really? Shall we dissect any one those games? Do any off you learn at all? 

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SebPro2,680 posts
30 Apr 2021, 14:58
#37
30 Apr 2021, 14:58#37

No I just wondered why and how you see obvious straight forward actions differently from a normal, ordinary fan...do you live in another world or are you just a contentious person that suffers from extreme closed mindedness and bias. Do certain players, no matter what they do remain forever doomed  to a fixed and closed opinion. You are not the only one. Anybody can make a mistake about a player initially and a lot of players that we don't initially esteem later change an honest critics original opinion. But some never change...no matter what. Shows a very self opinionated stubborn and dishonest character with no humility whatsoever.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 May 2021, 00:12
#38
01 May 2021, 00:12#38
Omelette does not watch rugby and if he does it’s clearly not the same game the rest of us are watching - the same applies to Moz Difference being, I like Moz
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 May 2021, 03:37
#39
01 May 2021, 03:37#39

Even better....the Scottish game was the last game pre the WC, my mistake. Leaving those results aside the differentials in the pool games were indeed the same.....so one has to look at the quality of the opposition.


 So without Scotland our opponents ranked 47/4 equals 12 rounded up....vs 2019 where our opponents were 60/4 equals 15. Poof goes your rebuttal. It’s obvious we had a way easier pool in 2019 and could only manage the same points differential as 2007.



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 May 2021, 09:52
#40
01 May 2021, 09:52#40

Mozart are you dreaming up more info than normal again?     One wonders what you will come up next?    Another lot of BS as per normal I expect.     

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