FIXTURESNo upcoming fixtures — check back soon.
FORUM / RUGBY /  Dont shoot the messenger

Dont shoot the messenger

Started by Beeno122 REPLIES3,908 VIEWS· 01 Aug 2021, 13:02
SHAREXFACEBOOKWHATSAPPTELEGRAMREDDITLINKEDIN
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Aug 2021, 13:02
#1
01 Aug 2021, 13:02#1

Keo nails it with this brilliant article. Poor officiating has gone on long enough and the cover up has to end.


ONCE AGAIN HEART CONGRATULATIONS TO RASSIE!

Rassie Erasmus is the messenger. World Rugby’s leadership will harm the game more by shooting the messenger. Listen to the message, writes Mark Keohane.

World Rugby can turn what they see as the biggest betrayal into the greatest advancement of their professional game.

Erasmus, South Africa’s National Director of Rugby, broke with every one of the archaic World Rugby protocols that protect match officials; these protocols, that since the game went professional in 1996, have reinforced acceptance of mediocrity and excused any form of match official incompetence or bias.

There is something wrong with the system when number 31 on the field, the person with the whistle, has the importance of being No 1. There is something seriously wrong with a system that rewards inconsistency and interpretation and doesn’t condemn the failure to apply the laws.

There is something wrong with a system that continues to promote protocols when the eyes of a global following continuously watch in horror as match officials make mistake after mistake, in the heat of the moment and also with the benefit of video replays, many of which are slowed down to a freeze-frame.

There is something wrong with the system when a coach cannot get feedback from World Rugby’s head of referees or from the relevant Test match officials a day after a Test has been played. There is something wrong with the system when a referee, at the heart of the most contentious officiating in the biggest rugby series of the year, can dismiss a National Director of Rugby’s request to talk because he wants to enjoy a 5pm Sunday power nap.

There is something wrong with a system, in which its leaders shrug off the most blatant officiating errors, with the cliché ‘that some go your way and some don’t’ and that ‘officials are only human’.

If the CEO of a company continues to make the wrong calls and his company suffers, that CEO isn’t excused on the basis of being human and ‘human error’. An analysis is done and if he is not competent enough to lead that company, he is replaced.

Why are referees and match officials allowed to escape their inglorious moments?

Matches are lost and coaching jobs and playing careers are influenced because referees make big mistakes. What was once excused on the basis of a referee being a loyal servant to the traditions of the game can no longer apply.

Australian referee Nic Berry, in charge of the Springboks versus British & Irish Lions series opener, shouldn’t be applauded for being a good guy, who made a Saturday game of rugby possible because he was willing to step in as a referee.

Refereeing is the profession Berry, like this Saturday’s referee Ben O’Keeffe, chose. They get paid to officiate in rugby matches all over the world. The same principles of scrutiny must apply to the referees as it does to professional players and coaches.

World Rugby, as the custodian of the sport, have a chance to right the wrongs when it comes to officiating, if they are mature enough to pause for a moment and absorb what Erasmus said, what match footage clips he showed, and just why he felt it necessary to do so on every social media platform.

Can World Rugby look inwards before reacting externally and towards Erasmus by way of a suspension, fine or expulsion from the world order?

I doubt it!

World Rugby predictably will take aim at the messenger.

They will charge Erasmus with bringing the game into disrepute and they will be able to charge him repeatedly with breaking ranks and every regulation that protects the supposed ethos of the game.

What ethos, though?

An ethos that favours match officials getting it wrong? An ethos that speaks to controversy because of bias and even the perception of cheating?

World Rugby’s leadership, in the way they awarded the rights to World Cup hosts, and on so many other issues, needs a cleanse.

Erasmus, by blowing up the building, has provided them with the opportunity to start afresh in the professional game when it comes to match officials and also when it comes to all perceptions of an ‘old boys’ club.

Erasmus this week released the most damning hour-long video, in which he highlighted 26 instances of the match officials getting decisions wrong against the Springboks. He challenged his Lions counterpart Warren Gatland  to produce a video the equal of what he was sharing with the world.

Erasmus used social media and the power of these platforms to educate and inspire a potential change to a century-old institution that does not know the meaning of the word transparency.

Never before has the term ‘whistle-blower’ been more appropriate than when describing Erasmus, and World Rugby’s response demands something that speaks to a healthier future and not a cancerous past.

World Rugby’s leadership has indirectly been challenged and these people who govern have the most wonderful opportunity to turn what they see as the darkest moment into one that finally sheds light on a topic that can no longer be viewed as a taboo.

Erasmus could have delivered his message differently. There is no disputing that, but he chose the most public expression out of desperation and frustration.

The easiest thing to do is to bring the guillotine down on Erasmus’s head, but  killing the one bringing the message will not kill off the message.

And the message is that match officials got 26 decisions wrong when it came to the Springboks, and possibly many more if you factor in a Lions-specific video.

Look beyond who won and lost the Test and look at why we are having this discussion.

It is not about the Springboks losing, just like Eddie Jones’s outage at O’Keeffe a year ago was not about England losing, because they won.

Jones, like Erasmus, challenged how a match official could get so much wrong and not suffer a consequence.

The difference was that Jones, at his post-match press conference after England beat Wales, scratched a scab, whereas Erasmus has taken a surgeon’s knife to World Rugby, and one can either be disgusted at the perceived reckless nature of the incision or delighted at the calculated cut to clean the infection.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Aug 2021, 14:00
#2
01 Aug 2021, 14:00#2

Upon reviewing the game, this was actually a sad day for rugby. Something I abhor is coaching teams trying to wield the ref like a weapon. The Boks got the better of it yesterday, but where does one draw the line? Reffing has been a big thorn in the side of the game because everyone is either trying to use it to police the opposition out of the game, or from a larger standpoint, police how teams look when they play. This is not good. Very shortsighted of all of you. Introducing racist undertones, because Kolisi is black, thereby introducing fear into handling the Boks (refs across multiple sporting codes have been banned or sacked because of alleged racism). I once saw Rassie as a subpar coach, correctly so, but now I see him as Snor II. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2021, 16:12
#3
01 Aug 2021, 16:12#3
Well when Keo is on your side you can be sure your position is controversial  and probably wrong headed. HasBeen drinking from the Woke fountain. Now he will call me a ‘hater’…..hahaha.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Aug 2021, 16:34
#4
01 Aug 2021, 16:34#4

"Introducing racist undertones, because Kolisi is black, thereby introducing fear into handling the Boks"

BS...never happened...only you and Moz believe that fantasy. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Aug 2021, 16:45
#5
01 Aug 2021, 16:45#5

So does Plum….it happened alright, Erasmus introduced the race card and Kolisi rubber stamped the card.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Aug 2021, 16:55
#6
01 Aug 2021, 16:55#6

It's a perception...your first impulse is to assume the worst of Rassie...the constant complaining and negative spin is unnecessary. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Aug 2021, 21:01
#7
01 Aug 2021, 21:01#7

Mozzzz and Org are haters Draad and are very embarassed by all Rassie's great success. Its like rubbing salt into the wounds every time Rassie wins.

It was very clear that Berry hung on every world of Alun Whine Jones and had no time for Kolisi. Berry really didn't want to hear from Kolisi. That is fact not playing the race card. 

By accusing Rassie of playing the race card these two introduce race, they fail to address the very obvious disparity of treatment by Berry of Alun Whine Jones and Kolisi. 

Rassie standing up for his captain to be treated with equal respect becomes Rassie introducing the race card. Note Rassie spoke to Berry about this before the match but clealry Berry didn't listen! Cleaarly this has happened before. 

The race caard charge is all in their bent imaginations as RDS eats away at their ability to think clearly. 


CA
CanterburyClub Pro160 posts
02 Aug 2021, 04:57
#8
02 Aug 2021, 04:57#8

Yes the refereeing has been an issue for quite some time.

However there are channels to go through just like Gatland stated.

Every side has had to put up with getting important calls against them.

For god sake - The South Africans have been moaning and whinging as though it has only happened to them.

The only thing that this director of coaching / water boy / referee / TMO has achieved is get off side with the rest of world rugby and would have now lost all respect by referees and SA will rightly pay the price in the long run.

Gatland was totally right when he questioned the TMO for this series - Fortunately nothing has happened in the first two tests that has determined any form of result.

But a South African should not have been chosen.

I have nothing against the South African TMO - Nothing what so ever  The point is - He should not be controlling any game involving South Africa under any circumstances.   

And that was Gatland's point of argument - The correct one - And once again World Rugby screwed up. 

And your director of coaching has become the laughing stock in world rugby and has lost all respect.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Aug 2021, 06:08
#9
02 Aug 2021, 06:08#9
The refereeing bar a few examples of bias we have all commented about is as good as it’s going to get. Rugby has an excessively complex set of rules. Trying to get it all verified vs accepting the refs judgement dished up a tedious more than an hour long first half.
It’s a trade off ….get it mostly right and all the try scoring right….or get it all right and watch endless lawyering.
Many of the points Erasmus made were in the grey area and some of them were wrong. It would be helpful if a neutral professional ref dissected the whole video.
Sad to see so many Bok fans buying this poor form.
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
02 Aug 2021, 06:35
#10
02 Aug 2021, 06:35#10

"Sad to see so many Bok fans buying this poor form."

The days of good men here are gone. The over-emotional man babies with their relativism to coddle themselves prevails. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Aug 2021, 08:16
#11
02 Aug 2021, 08:16#11

Twitter thread + more


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Aug 2021, 08:20
#12
02 Aug 2021, 08:20#12

""Sad to see so many Bok fans buying this poor form."

The days of good men here are gone. The over-emotional man babies with their relativism to coddle themselves prevails"


So we should take everything on the chin and accept the status quo? With that mentality nothing will ever change. I  refuse to accept that.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Aug 2021, 10:09
#13
02 Aug 2021, 10:09#13

Haha I believe racist undertones were introduced but I also support forcing World Rugby to improve the standards and methods used to ref games. 

Let me be even more controversial and say that I think we very much got the rub of the green in the WC final too. Having watched that game many times, my conclusion is that we got away with quite a few things that Garcias would normally pounce on against Boks. I'm sure most of you must also have noticed how, in that game, it didn't seem like the same Jerome that most of us have come to despise over the years. Strange huh?

In fact, lets remember for a moment how poor the reffing was throughout the WC. Game after game, the refs were in the spotlight. For me, that's the worst result possible .

Anyway, can we discuss for a moment the idea of two refs on the field. 

Don't dismiss it out of hand just because it seems odd.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Aug 2021, 11:05
#14
02 Aug 2021, 11:05#14
"Anyway, can we discuss for a moment the idea of two refs on the field. 

Don't dismiss it out of hand just because it seems odd."
This has been discussed several times before and the general consensus was that it wouldn't help at all and would just create more confusion and more opportunity for the blubbering crybabies to squeal about the naughty refs who are not consistent.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Aug 2021, 11:53
#15
02 Aug 2021, 11:53#15

I've never seen it discussed. Got some links?


RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Aug 2021, 11:57
#16
02 Aug 2021, 11:57#16
What, do you think I keep links like that in my head? Huh?
It has definitely been discussed on here. Google is your friend.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Aug 2021, 12:01
#17
02 Aug 2021, 12:01#17

I use DDG...Google is funded by the Illuminti and Soros 

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Aug 2021, 12:06
#18
02 Aug 2021, 12:06#18

I should have known 

Either way, whether you find the links or not, a second ref will just complicate things and cause more confusion. It's a terrible idea. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Aug 2021, 12:22
#19
02 Aug 2021, 12:22#19

Here's a link...what do you think?

American football officials


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Aug 2021, 12:35
#20
02 Aug 2021, 12:35#20
Spot on Keo Absolute lies that the race card was played Not once did Rassie even infer it
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Aug 2021, 12:39
#21
02 Aug 2021, 12:39#21

30 years ago, all the "Maties Koshuisrugby" had 2 refs per match...if it really worked, it would have neen expanded to other rugby...there are already 1 ref, 2 assistants and a TMO. If you want to improve things, the laws should be tweaked to make them more black and white, less greay...then technology can be used more effectively. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
02 Aug 2021, 13:07
#22
02 Aug 2021, 13:07#22

Glad to see that all the gifts dropped on SA rugby by the word of rugby has brought concord and harmony to SA.


About refereeing, SA has been collecting for decades a net benefices from reffing favours. No other nation in history has benefited that much.

That being said, maybe it is about to change as quota players have been introduced; the world of rugby may be less inclined to bow down to any SA whim. Who knows.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Aug 2021, 13:19
#23
02 Aug 2021, 13:19#23

I see that Trad, the sad Kiwi tosser pretending to be an African is back.

Glad to see that you found time for visiting us despite your arduous masturbation schedule/routine taking up so much of your day.

— END OF THREAD —

More from Rugby

More news