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Dud Allende in the Toulouse match

Started by Mozart35 REPLIES1,860 VIEWS· 10 May 2022, 02:41
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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
13 May 2022, 18:38#21
The obsession with Damian de Allende on this forum has started reaching worrying proportions. I think the "debate" has been raging for about 5 years now . . . if one can call an endless repetition of "he's the best", "no, you're stupid, he's the worst", "no, you're the one who'se stupid, he's the best", "no he's the worst" etc etc an actual "debat e". More like little kids sticking their tongues out at each other . . . and it seems to be escalating yet again!
I don't think de Allende is the world's best centre by any stretch but I also don't think he's useless and in the absence of any credible alternatives other than maybe Andre Esterhuizen and possibly Rohan Janse van Rensburg, he's the best we've got so he's a worthy Springbok and has been for most of his test career.

What does amaze me is that one of his fiercest critics on this forum is a complete and utter rugby noob who - as you can see on this (now heavily edited) thread - had never heard of Robbie Henshaw until the Lions tour last year.
Robbie Henshaw had over 50 test caps up to that point so to hear some puffed up and opiniated fool calling him Henderson and then mistaking him for Gavin Henson is a bit like someone saying "I'm something of a boxing afficionado and I think Mike Truman is the greatest heavyweight of all time" or "I'm an athletics expert and a huge fan of Usain Bale".
I'm quite sure this won't end the De Allende debate but hopefully readers will take some of the comments from whence they come.
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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
14 May 2022, 03:56#22
Peeper nobody takes your rugby views seriously….that Notsche  was a future Bok captain….that Watson was better than Schalk, that Deysel was better than Juan Smith and that Etzebeth  is a useless lock. Just a few of your many hilarious rugby calls.
But by and large in this instance you are just aping my points….Dud is miles away from the best centre in the world and others, Rohan along with Esterhozen included, are worth considering. What you are missing is a factual foundation for your assertions….so feel free, just use the stats I provided. Hell it might even make you look informed.


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clevermike
Coach57,555 posts
14 May 2022, 13:06#23

Mozart if ever hee uses statistics he messed up sine he does not  make statistics comparable.  In this case  decided not to give the number of tests played and jhow many of those tests were played against teams graded below 10, ie and how many against weaker teams.   So the comparison Mozart try to make is worthless.            .    

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
14 May 2022, 20:02#24
". . . you are just aping my points . . ."
Aping you?
Pfffffffffffhahahahahahaha!
That's rich coming from the dullard who's plagiarized my laugh, my punctuation style, my insults, my sound of egg hitting his face, my jokes and so much more . . . but no, chump, if I was aping you I wouldn't be calling Esterhuizen a possible Springbok, I'd be calling him the slowest back in rugby.
Remember?
LMAO!
Back to the point, Moffie, this must be the 3rd or 4th time I've pointed out your embarrassing Henderson - no, Henman - no, Henson gaffe and it's also the 3rd or 4th time you've quickly changed the subject and slunk away. 
Why don't you man up and tell us why we should put any store in your ratings of centres when you didn't even know who one of the world's top centres of the last decade was until he'd played over 50 test matches?
Hmmmm?
Or what about the time when you hilariously claimed you'd "discovered" Samu Kerevi (when the rest of us had been lauding him for about 2 years) and then it turned out you couldn't tell Samu Kerev i from Tevita Kurudrani?
Huh Moffie?
LMAO!
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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
15 May 2022, 02:17#25

Me copy your insults which focus on the male member and plumbing the posterior?  Nope, I don’t do crude. As for schplottt…..standard comic book terminology.

Mostly I remember you for your view that the Boks had literally no chance in 2007 after Spies was injured. One of the classics. Keep them coming. Oops I forgot, you can’t help yourself.

LMAOFY&Y!

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Boorad1
Club Pro106 posts
20 May 2022, 10:20#26
I don't think anything in this world will change people's views on DDA.  To call him a dud is nonsence and very disrespectful.  He is a great player for Munster and SA.   He may not be the best in the world but he is certainly in the top 5.  
The views from one of our legends at Munster and main commentators on Irish rugby.  Check out his comment on 15:20
Rugby with Alan Quinlan by OTB Rugby on Newstalk app https://pd5i4.app.link/DlwOWMDKSeb?$deeplink_path=podcast/97/342265&$desktop_url=https://www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/342265

BTW: Alan is a bit of a messer.   Legend has is that the weekend after Nigel Ownes came out Munster were playing and on the first scrum with Alan at 6 or 7.  He tapped Nige on the arse and gave him a big wink.  It made Nige smile.  He is alway worth a listen to.
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Plum
Captain21,007 posts
20 May 2022, 12:01#27

Great, I'll take that guy's opinion...or simply review the video footage and see that RJVR is a better runner on attack and in support, defender, reader the game and scores more tries.


versus this...


DDA barely makes the top five among SA players.

How could one even come close to calling him top five in the world?



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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
21 May 2022, 21:51#28

DDA barely makes the top five among SA players.DD"Who are the four SA pla12s better than him...Pokkel isn't bad but DdA is the better player A DDA barely makes the top five among SA players.

How could one even come close to calling him top five in the world? makes the top five among SA players. .DDA barely makes the top five among SA players.

How could one even come close to calling him top five in How could one even come close to calling him top five in the world?

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
21 May 2022, 21:51#29

"DDA barely makes the top five among SA players."

Who are the four SA 12s better than him?...Pokkel isn't bad but DdA is the better player...IMO Esterhuizen is the only 12 in a position to challenge. 


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Mrs Searle
Pro1,533 posts
22 May 2022, 14:10#30

You jarpies have crappy standards. Such funny. A jarpie in the top 5 in the world... at center? You have got to be having a laugh! Eveyebody knows you don't have good centers. The best that ever you had were fat fransie and beanstalk jean and that is saying something! fuck me, the peasants fighting over crumbs. 

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
22 May 2022, 19:17#31

Danie Gerber...nuff said...doffel .

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Plum
Captain21,007 posts
23 May 2022, 14:16#32

Draad

Pokkies and Esterhuizen, as a start.

They're both better defenders, runners, supporters, distributors as well as being able to better read the game. 

In which categories, if any, would you score DDA higher than either of the above two guys?

To me, all I can think of is his ability to stay on his feet. At least that's where he has the best chance of scoring higher ratings than RJVR or Esterhuizen...and I'm not sure that I would actually score him higher in the end. The rest of the categories, for me anyway, are a wash.

I've always heard how good DDA is but, apart from a few rare occasions, never really seen it.

That's the only reason that I don't rate him. Had I seen him perform better, or steal the show once in a while, I'd have had reason to change my mind.  

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
23 May 2022, 16:16#33

We haven't really seen RJvR in tests. I liked what I've seen from Esterhuizen and rate him. DdA is the incumbent, with loads of experience. If we are worried about his form, we should be playing someone from the bench...

I really liked the way DdA played for the Stormers before h e became a Springbok. I remember him making loads of offloads and breaks...it might be only perception, but I think a lot of his "deficiencies" are deliberately coached out of his game by the Bok management AND it started under Meyer.

I think his biggest weakness is is his positioning on defence, but his strength is saying on his feet while carrying and tractoring on.

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Mrs Searle
Pro1,533 posts
23 May 2022, 20:30#34

your dreaming draad. damian was always shit but you lot beat your chest. the big boer who is so tough but a lardy fatty that cannot compete. get with the times. you don't have one good centre and we made your stupid springblocks look like cavemen every time they have to make any kind of the decision making. stupid fat and slow proteas. you greatest strength is carthorsing and kicking. maybe your team emblem should be a cross eyed donkey kicking its back legs out.

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
24 May 2022, 07:04#35


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Plum
Captain21,007 posts
24 May 2022, 11:33#36

Agreed, Draad.

He did look good prior to being picked for the Boks. 

We also continuously hear about his skill on the training field. 

But training field goals don't count for anything on match day.

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