Dud Toit 8 rating discussed

So hopefully you have read the Mozcroscope and no doubt for many it’s an insult, biased and not what a Bok fan would do. But somebody has to tell the truth. That won’t be the sycophantic press that gave du Toit his 8 rating. And fans simply believe what they hear mostly.

He ran strongly the raters say….but he never beat a tackle, made 2 meters in a run or offloaded.

He made the most tackles they say, but he also missed the most I’m guessing . I counted one clean one on one tackle.

He contested the breakdown they say….but he was blown off the ball with at least three chances to turn it over.

He did take his two lineouts and he covered a lot of ground, Steph reads the game pretty well these days. But he is the only forward who peals away from the breakdowns and leaves it to the rest of the pack, Wiese did so much more hard work….and the remaining slack is picked up by Marx,

‘By now he is integral to the team and it’s unclear what would change if he wasn’t there. We don’t want to make the Teichman mistake again, when Skinstad was swopped in, a much more explosive player, but not part of the team pattern.

Dud does look awfully slow at times. And the notion that he did more in the second half is just not true. He was much more active in the first half. Will he have it in another 2 years? Who knows. What we do know is his performance against France was not on the level of Marx, Wiese or Snyman when he came on.

PSDT did not have a standout game, he was really solid and that’s it

Same applies to the likes of Eben, Kolisi, de Allende, Kriel, Libbok, Kolbe and Willemse

Marx, Sacha, Wiese, RG, Reinach, Esterhuizen and Williams were our standouts on the day

Agreed, on watching the game in detail I actually thought Snyman looked very good as well.

Dave

Du Toit was the captain in the second half of the match and his decisionmaking leadership resulted in major improvement in the match and hugh perfirmance level by the team.

That does not define a players form on the day

The calls to kick for the corners and not for poles came from the coaching box - you could see Manie looking for instructions from the side of the field - probably through Thor

Mozart

After twelve years watchhing repretitive BS about players up to twice a week is meaningless since you cooked up BS in the rugby-deficient brain of yours,

In 2018 your hate campaign started agaisnt Easmus and you lied about hsi career as coach and you stated that SARU should rather have retained Coetzee than appoint Erasmus.

Then her is De Allende same B S spreading. In 2014-15 you wrote Morzoscpoes that was cor shit in supreme. When reading those one always wondered whether insanity took over,

When your lies were queried since nobody ever came up with the shit you raised you made the classical comment that you are the best rugby perfomanceanalyst in the World,

The above represents the most chronic hysteria ever. I have more interesting other topics that deserve attention and will in fiture just ignore your repetative BS on site,

‘Morzoscpoes’ that sounds a little vulgar.

Wheter you came up with was stupid lies and distortions in those so-called match reports,

Esterhuizen made the team of the week, you said he is useless…..now that is ‘bullshit spreading’

6 Andre Esterhuizen (South Africa): We had to do it! The big man gave a sheer masterclass in versatility as he came on to define the word hybrid in a brilliant bench display.

A ‘master class’, how could you be so wrong ?

Dimdoos

I supported for weeks the inclusion of Esterhuizen as a loosie and you apparently missed my comments on that issue. So that was the case all along, He is not a center for aa variery of reasons. In 2014 White tried him for two Sharks matches as a loosie - - but he did not continmue ith that staregy. In 2025 Erasmus introduced that shift to loosie on a permanent basis and it worked out well, So Easmus opened the way for Esterhuzien to play for the Springboks as a loosie - n fact by doing that he opened up the way for him to extnd is career as a Springbok player,

You always quote stats to distord qhat actually happened. S o here is two real statsL-

1. In 21 tests played at center Esterhuizen scored 2 tries - both of the tries was the result of top class play by Du Toit who passed the ball to Kwagga and to Esterhuizen with an open tryline and the other by Willemse with only the worst defender in A B rugby - B Barrett - to score a try.
2. In 5 tests played as a loosie Esterhuizen scored 2 tries,

The above confirms he is a loosie and not a center. I recognzed that before anyone else on yjod site - same I was the one member who 3 years ago wrote about Sacha as the top flyhalf in Springbok rugby after seeing him play in the Under 20 Springbok team where he was the player of the tournament. He became that after that a protege of Erasmus and that was confirmed by his father. But then according to you Erasmus knows nothing about rugby and I was indeed surprised that you did not conmdemn Sacha as a player, He is already the best Sprringbok flyhalf ever in Springbok rugby history,

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Replace any of the forwards and not much changes. And that includes the supposed irreplaceable PSDT.

Replace Wiese and Bok pack falls apart.

To those that have always supported him, good job lads!

Remember that there were major concerns regarding a replacement for Duane. Wiese walked in like he was born to do it and now he holds the entire thing together. What a player!

Give the man his respect and stop praising reputations.

Using ou Maaik's logic:

DDA hasn't scored a try in his last 19 tests.

That confirms that DDA is not a center's arse, or maybe he is.

He should be moved to flank.

Esterhuizen defended at 12 against France. Ou Maaik was telling us the French centers will run circles around him. It's not going so well for ou Maaik.

Pure BS spreading de Luxe from our very own Uncle Bull Shit…

Dr. Lucky has always valued versatility. That‘s the main reason behind Esterhuizen’s hybrid role.

Uncle BS, as usual, cooks up excuses in his own head and then declares them as accurate.

You claiming that this “confirms he’s a loosie and not a centre”, is nothing more then your pathetic effort to keep your narrative alive.

The fact is, several Bok players are rotated into different positions depending on the game plan.

Esterhuizen isn’t unique in that regard. What makes him special is that he excels wherever he’s placed.

So Uncle BS, his primary and proven position is inside centre.

His ability to shift into a loose-forward role mid game just shows how complete and adaptable a player he is.

His career track record speaks for itself.

A powerful, intelligent distributor in the 12 channel who can crash, offload, and defend like few others.

Let’s hope Dr.Lucky doesn’t make this loosie experiment permanent.

André’s unique skill set and physical presence are best used where he built his reputation.

At inside centre, he can control the midfield and unleash the attack.

So, stop twisting things to fit your fantasy narrative, Uncle BS… :)

Esterhuizen remains what he’s always been, an elite centre who just happens to be good enough to also excel as a loose Forward.

"But he is the only forward who peals away from the breakdowns"

He does what?

Please note that the poster on this board who runs around correcting everyone else's spelling, reminding everyone how clever he is while sneering about their error and who gets so excited by something as trivial as a typo or a grammatical error . . . that same puffed up and conceited old drunkard cannot spell the simple 4 letter word "peel" . . . even after being schooled!

LMAO!

Moffie consistently gets the words "speech" and "peel" incorrect. Quite why this pompous old relic jumps on everyone else's typos and spelling or grammar errors with such glee and delight is beyond me.

Bullshit would the Bok pack fall apart without Wiese

If Roos was at 8 right now the Bok pack would be a better one, same applies to Hanekom

Wiese has a slight physical edge on these two but they are both far better all round players

Dont get me wrong, I see the physical, abrasive value in Wiese but he is by no means indispensable

I love how Rooi's new-found zen lasted all of thirty seconds.

Welcome back, VoldeRooi.

Manpower

I have read B S before - especially from a stupid dolt like you/. You are just like Mozart cliaming that you are the best performance evaluator in the world beleive in facts and also the statements made by Erasmus and fellow-pplayers and saw why Erasmus recently decided to use Eaterhuizen as a loosie,

So I am not lower my standards to response to shit like you wrote on site. .

Which 19 tests you refer to Dimness? State with 2023 RWC and list me the tets he dd nt a try in. And then go backa nd see the 22 tests Esterhuizen did not scre a single try. as a centre and then explain how Etserhuizzen manage to score after other players gave him open trylines to score 2 tries he scores. And thene xplain how at loosie he amanged to score 2 tries and 5 tests played,

As center De Allende scored 11 tries in 95 matches played - two of the m cruccial in WC matches where if he did not score those SA would not have won the RWC in 2019 and 2023 and then goes into jhisteris. In 23 matches Estrhuizen scored 2 tries. In 5 matche played as a loosie he scored 2 tries. See the differencs dumbness,

Which 19 tests you refer to Dimness? State with 2023 RWC and list me the tets he dd nt a try in. And then go backa nd see the 22 tests Esterhuizen did not scre a single try. as a centre and then explain how Etserhuizzen manage to score after other players gave him open trylines to score 2 tries he scores. And thene xplain how at loosie he amanged to score 2 tries and 5 tests played,

As center De Allende scored 11 tries in 95 matches played - two of the m cruccial in WC matches where if he did not score those SA would not have won the RWC in 2019 and 2023 and then goes into jhisteris. In 23 matches Estrhuizen scored 2 tries. In 5 matche played as a loosie he scored 2 tries. See the differencs dumbness,

You’re truly the definition of a pathetic fool. Honestly, you can’t even write properly.

Most people won’t understand a word you’re saying.

First, do some self reflection before speaking to anyone.

If you can’t be rational and stick to facts, just stay quiet.

If you can’t be rational and stick to facts, just stay quiet. HA HA HA

If you ever write anything on site without any facts whatsoever you take the cake, Mozart is always a pompous BSter who claims he knows more about rugby than everyone in the media and on coaching. He lies outright and distorted everything actually written on site. Don't follow his route. I never disputed the fact hat Esterhuizen is a good loosie and it is clear Erasmus think so too. Both his two latest tries were scored when he played as a loosie. That is why Mozart's hysteria is normal - he never supported Esterhuizen in th e past and spread hatred of Du Toit from 2015, D e Allende from 2014 and Erasmus from 2018. He also bragged that he is the best rugby performance valuator in the world.

Your claim that the Springboks on two RWC because of LUCK of Erasmus is of equal low standing and never based on any facts whatsoever. It is in fact an insult of all the in Springboks rugby. players involved. . .

‘Spread hatred’……code for ‘actually looked at the facts’. Emotional think vs rational think. Treating players equally vs running with favorites.

Mozzart

Not hatred? You, have lied so many times about De Allennde and Du Toit in your case also Erasmus that ecvery reasonable person would see through your whole crusade when it comes to the two mentioned players during more than a decade their cases. In the case the lies about Erasmus started in April 2018 when his formal appointment was announced and never stopped.

You started so many demeaning BS threads that any reasonable person would find it to be spread because you hate the three people involved. Any other reasonable person would see hatred as the main source of yourr atatcks,

In the disaster years when Meyer was Springbok coach you in the end came up with one case where you wrote in a thread that was mildly critical of Meyer in the 4 years he was coaching the Springboks. In the case of Erasmus the attacks have been a regular every week simce he was coaching the Springboks. In the case of Coetzee ou did write the BS as to comparision between Coetzee started off in April 2018 . But now you produced 2 caes where you criticized Coetzee - in other words twice in 2 years of coaching.

In the case of Erasmus you stated he is useless as a coach and you wanted White appointed as Springboks Head Coach and not Erasmus. It started in 2018 and since then evey week their were demaning attacks on Erasmus/ Weekly tirades went on in an effort to justify your initial lies of Easmus as coach. . ,

Another issue involving Du Toit and De Allende - whenever the two players contributed to Spring bok wns - you use a simple system = -you ignored what happened imvolving those two players you. In two RVC 2019 the Spring boks would have lost their campaigns to RWC finals if De A llende did not score tries in 2019 against Wales in the semi-final against Wales amd oin tje RWC quarterfinal in 2023. So you approach was just to igmore what hapepned in the case of the two tries and when challenged on those two cases since it countered your weekly attacks - you lied about what happened in the two cases.

The case of Du Toit was even more brash and when elected as Player of the year in both 2019 and 2024 the attacks against Du Toit intensified and you claimed the 8 rugby experrts - all captions of their national Rugby teams - were idiots to make the award to Du Toit - according to Mozart.Du Toit is not worthy as a playe for the Sprungboks.

Another joke is you supported 10 man rugby played under White and Meyer and calle it "Traditional Springbok Rugby" until 2017 and - then surpirsingly turned that term around and said "Traditional Springbok Rugby:: was not played while Erasmus was coach. In fact your interpretation of "Traditional Spingbok Rugby" was changed 100%. In any event whatever that term means is BS anyway and when the Springbok backlines under Erasmus scored more backline tries than the whole teams did under White and Meyer. The fact is that under White, De Villiers, Meyer and Coetzee theri were no game plans at all and 10 man rugby was thr norm. When the issuewss raised you came up with a classic - you claimed Erasmus was too stupid to use computer analysis of performances.

If there were any decency in you at all - which there obviously is not the case art all - you persistence is stupid in the extreme.

Now some bad news for you - Erasmus contract with SARU expires in 2029 and two major international teams want to have him contracted as their head coach - while SARU wants his comtract extenderdto 2033. Erasmus are prepared to extend his contract - but only if his present coaching component are retained until 2033 as well. That part is now under negotiation. In Rands he would be paid five time more than he earns from SARU.if he accepts the contract offers the countruies referred to,

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Forum » Rugby » Best decision Rassie made this year

MozartHall Of Famer

47,347 posts

Nov 25, 2018, 17:45

1 Bringing back our traditional physical game

2 Bringing Faf back.

3 Switching Thomas back to loosehead.

And your response Saaiman, showing you know I credited Erasmus with bringing back our traditional strengths:

clevermikeHall Of Famer

56,361 posts

Nov 26, 2018, 09:44

Mozart made valid points 2 and 3 and AO came back with a bugger-up. Point 1 could be true - but for a weakened lock combination in most tests and a poor selection of two of the three loosies - his decision to play Du Toit as a loosie was spot-on - the other three loosies used was way off the radar.

Was Snyman better than Etzebeth and even than Du Toit starting in one test at 4? No way - even when Etzebeth was lukewarm in most tests he played in. Although never used - Schickerling was better in SR matches than Snyman and so was the rarely used De Jager. Another brain fart - AO?

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I love the way you thought Schickerling is better than Snyman. Good one Comrade.

I repeat, stop lying about me and I will stop humiliating you, by telling the truth about you.

Seems like a generous deal.

You have never humiliated me at all - concoctions of lies and distortions do not represent facts and thus cannot be used to humiliate anybody. All you did was to show you up as a fart in capital letters.

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Forum » Rugby » Best decision Rassie made this year

MozartHall Of Famer

47,347 posts

Nov 25, 2018, 17:45

1 Bringing back our traditional physical game

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Again you have lied repeatedly about this…..and this shows you know I said it:

clevermikeHall Of Famer

56,361 posts

Nov 26, 2018, 09:44

Mozart made valid points 2 and 3 and AO came back with a bugger-up. Point 1 could be true - but for a weakened lock combination.

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Caught absolutely red handed….what a low class, foul mouthed fellow you are. You pollute the term South African.

Repeat of BS that had no impact on the discussion of your total hatred of Erasmus, Du Toit and De Allende. which was the real topic you tried to avoid. .