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Dweba selection discredits black players

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Aug 2022, 17:15
#1
10 Aug 2022, 17:15#1
For some time now I have not seen colour when it comes to the selections of our side other than when the utterly useless Orie gets a token game. However, Marx not starting ahead of Mbonambi after his MOM performance last weekend was head scratching but the promotion of Dweba to start ahead of Marx after Bongi pulled up injured is nothing short of utterly insulting That selection serves to remind us that colour does play a part in our selections and it serves to discredit the merits of black players in general. It’s in poor taste and I really feel for players like Marx and Kitshoff who are the worlds best in their respective positions and both should have won 100 test starting caps by the time they retired. These two guys will tell you they are just happy to represent their country but I bet inside they are seething Don’t get me wrong Dweba is good but nowhere near the class of Marx
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Aug 2022, 18:17
#2
10 Aug 2022, 18:17#2

Unfortunately the coach has to meet criteria other than merit. 

This makes wee cc see Red and stop supporting the Boks. He also of course talks nonsense about various matters. 

I made a choice to continue supporting the Boks as when they run onto the field it cuts deeply against the grain to do otherwise. 

Also, I have the Rugby smarts to be able to appreciate what the Boks do well. Unlike those two plonkers wee cc and Rosie. 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Aug 2022, 18:30
#3
10 Aug 2022, 18:30#3

Bilbo Loggins, penning his latest and most profound social commentary...




CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
10 Aug 2022, 18:56
#4
10 Aug 2022, 18:56#4

Beandip ... you really should make up your mind. 

Are you in favour of racism ... or ... are you against it.?

You bitch about it one day ... and then support it the next.  

You sell your people out ... and then lecture us on our integrity ... on our Christian values ...  and criticise us when we stand behind what's fair and just. 

Your people are being shortchanged and its people like you who do this to them.

Rassie is your hero. You support him in everything he does. and yet he's the one who's sold his people out like no one else.

Grow a spine please and decide what it is you stand for.


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Aug 2022, 19:12
#5
10 Aug 2022, 19:12#5

That is a fair point about Erasmus... lots of politicking , but even the first black Block coach gave the politicians the finger... makes a statement doesn't it. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
10 Aug 2022, 19:35
#6
10 Aug 2022, 19:35#6

If transformation quota targets are in place, surely it would make sense to not choose the position where the Boks have the best forward in world rugby. 

Dwebba is good, and he could potentially take the reserve spot from Bongi Tyson. 
Bongi was great a few years ago, but since then he is not very visible on the field. 

However, Marx should be starting. 
If Marx starts, it is harder for teams to get a few scores ahead of us.

The Boks have frequently lost the first half, only for the bomb squad (Marx in particular) to turn the game around and win the 2nd half. 

His impact on the breakdowns is immeasurable.
When both he and Vermeulen are on the pitch at the same time, the Boks have never lost the battle of the breakdown. 


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Aug 2022, 19:37
#7
10 Aug 2022, 19:37#7

The bomb squad is mythical horseshit. Just say it as it is... old man Steyn bailed you fucks out a few times. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
10 Aug 2022, 19:41
#8
10 Aug 2022, 19:41#8

England got pulverised in the first half against South Africa in the world cup. 
However, near the end of the 1st half, they started to mount some type of comeback.

This continued into the 2nd half, but once the bomb squad hit the field-  it was all she wrote for England and their sweet chariot...

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Aug 2022, 20:28
#9
10 Aug 2022, 20:28#9

An early injury to Sinckler in the third minute and Beast having the game of his life is what that game was all about. That's pretty much it. |We fucked up two chances to score early. No way the Blocks win if we scored an early try. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
10 Aug 2022, 20:38
#10
10 Aug 2022, 20:38#10

It's a man's game, just too physical for Sinker...who was off the deep end Hook, line and Sinker...

Both of South Africa's tries were in the 2nd half. By that time England's scrum had returned to being functional. 

AM's no-look pass that set up Mapimpi was like a schoolboy practise run 

Kolbe made a mockery of your captain leaving him for dead, and Kolbe danced over the line to score a penultimate try that took the game beyond any form of a contest. 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Aug 2022, 20:45
#11
10 Aug 2022, 20:45#11

Well, concussion isn't something that we can fuck around with you nonce. But anyway, didnt' a flying arse cause a concussion for that flyhalf you fucktards gushed over... ended his fucking career. A flying arse. Bark, the sooner you learn to stop fucking talking the better because it's not something you are good at. Also, Thor and his injuries or Du Toit being injured for a season by a wing tackling him. Fucking hell... a lot of injured fucks for your hard men... Eben... hahahaha!!! 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
10 Aug 2022, 20:46
#12
10 Aug 2022, 20:46#12

This is exactly what I've been going on about this whole time. 

This black fragility has to end. Look, I'd the guys is good or the best pick him. So what if the number isn't always 50/50. I would ask questions if the entire match day 23 is white. 

We had fat Trev force to play loosehead because OX was injured. Malherbe and Koch are way better tighthead than Trev. 

This is also why we have such a forward dominated and kick orientated game. Takes out the pressure and hides the fact that our attack coach is a quota. We had with Coetzee too and the same with Snorre. Whereas the best teams don't have to worry about this black fragility. 

In my mind Grobbelaar should be ahead of Dwebe as he is local and one of the top 2s in the URC. But he is white so Bongi and Dwebe gets the nod. 

Rassie made a rod for his back. 


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
10 Aug 2022, 20:46
#13
10 Aug 2022, 20:46#13

This is exactly what I've been going on about this whole time. 

This black fragility has to end. Look, I'd the guys is good or the best pick him. So what if the number isn't always 50/50. I would ask questions if the entire match day 23 is white. 

We had fat Trev force to play loosehead because OX was injured. Malherbe and Koch are way better tighthead than Trev. 

This is also why we have such a forward dominated and kick orientated game. Takes out the pressure and hides the fact that our attack coach is a quota. We had with Coetzee too and the same with Snorre. Whereas the best teams don't have to worry about this black fragility. 

In my mind Grobbelaar should be ahead of Dwebe as he is local and one of the top 2s in the URC. But he is white so Bongi and Dwebe gets the nod. 

Rassie made a rod for his back. 


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
10 Aug 2022, 20:48
#14
10 Aug 2022, 20:48#14

Also, a foreign reporter did analysis that SA always fall behind in the first half, but then comes back in the 2nd half. It is amazing that we start attacking better when the best front row is on the park. Why chase the game when you can just close it out like we did on Saturday against the Kiwi 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
10 Aug 2022, 20:54
#15
10 Aug 2022, 20:54#15

I have not seen alot of Dweba, but he looked ok against Wales... even if Marx and Kitzie don't start and come on as the True Bomb Squad, they make such a Game changing impact, that we  usually win....Political influence is here to stay for now....so to R&N,s credit, they have made it work somehow with all of this negative shit around....just like all the players bought into R&N,s Gameplan, they have taken on there role in this setup....and they look quite happy and Rich....more attack is needed this WE...Ab will expect us to double down on the regime and Attack, like in the first half with Kurt's try, will throw them off even more...Go Boks!

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Aug 2022, 21:01
#16
10 Aug 2022, 21:01#16

The Blocks attacked better... yeah right... 28 defenders beaten to 8. Nuff said. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
10 Aug 2022, 21:08
#17
10 Aug 2022, 21:08#17

That is what I said Rose...more attack is needed...and where to you get this stat from 28 - 8 Defenders beaten? 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Aug 2022, 21:12
#18
10 Aug 2022, 21:12#18
Dweba is very good but rightly third choice. The powers that be can get away starting Bongi ahead of Marx as Bongi has made a good enough impression despite the fact Marx is by far the best hooker in the game But having Dweba start ahead of Marx highlights that it’s a colour selection If the coaches had actually woken up to the fact that Gelant or Moodie would have been better options on the wing than white Kriel then Marx starting would have been a given
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Aug 2022, 21:12
#19
10 Aug 2022, 21:12#19

ESPN...

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
10 Aug 2022, 21:42
#20
10 Aug 2022, 21:42#20

Valid points made Dave...and is ESPN a more reliable source?

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Aug 2022, 21:47
#21
10 Aug 2022, 21:47#21

Yes it is... but I will say.. they were too lenient on missed tackles...  I counted this stuff when I watched the game on YouTube... the Blocks like De Lindy definitely missed more tackles... I counted two more. The Block defence was fucking hideous to watch. Also take notice of Whitelock outplaying Ebenezer stooge... hahaha!!! 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
10 Aug 2022, 21:48
#22
10 Aug 2022, 21:48#22

30 years of "Transformation" by the ANC and what have they achieved other than getting many unworthy folks nation sport honours.

Time to select on merit not color as should be.

Everything that the ANC has touched has turned to S--T at the expense of all the people of SA.

Many of our friends and family who wanted to assist with getting SA back on track after the 1948 - 1992 period have grown frustrated and most of their offspring are living overseas as a result of the situation in SA.

Sport is just one example of the major issues facing the country.

A sad state of affairs but it is self inflicted by the folks at the top.

When will it change.....never in DONKER AFRIKA.


MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
10 Aug 2022, 22:14
#23
10 Aug 2022, 22:14#23

Well AJH, I sincerly hope things change, not go back to the past, but just leaders that don't pocket everything and run things better...regardless of colour.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Aug 2022, 22:23
#24
10 Aug 2022, 22:23#24
I see most of the selections as merit other than useless Orie But with merit comes a pecking order and when it comes to hooker it’s 1. Marx 2. Mbonambi 3. Dweba 4. Grobelaar We half excused the political call of Bongi ahead of Marx, with both now amassing 50 odd caps each. We lose Bongi, so the obvious call is to elevate Marx to start with Dweba on the bench But nope with Bongi out, politics dictates that he has to be replaced with a black guy so in comes Dweba I guess Marx knows the score and has to play the game but boy oh boy inwardly he must be fuming - only in fucking SA As a side we deserve more credit given this kind of shit the players have to put up with This selection reinforces the fact that the quota system is still hard at play and serves only to undermine black players and this weekend, poor Dweba in particular. He knows full well he is not starting on merit whereas Bongi will have believed he was starting on merit
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
10 Aug 2022, 22:24
#25
10 Aug 2022, 22:24#25

Correct Mpower,

We all hope and trust that things will change.

Perhaps if the young folks who did not live in that period get into politics and do not carry the colour or get even mentality into the arena RSA stands a chance.

But discrimination, hate and injustice are unfortunately difficult to overcome and forgive for most of us humans. 


MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
10 Aug 2022, 22:26
#26
10 Aug 2022, 22:26#26
I would rate Grobelaar above Dweba, alone on his URC form.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Aug 2022, 22:56
#27
10 Aug 2022, 22:56#27
Nope for me Dweba is at 3 he is a physical beast who is more likely to make an impression at test level than Grobelaar
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2022, 03:46
#28
11 Aug 2022, 03:46#28

The Boks only use born and bred South African resources….but beyond that no Bok team is ever the best team we could field.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Aug 2022, 11:05
#29
11 Aug 2022, 11:05#29

Once again Stupid Dave wakes up a few years after the fact.

Racism and quotas in South African rugby has been an on going issue for decades now, Stupid.

It's taken DumbAss Dave an absolute age to realize this.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!!

I've been telling you this for years, Stupid.

You should shut your yap and pay attention to what I say. 

Huh? What's that? An apology?

Well I never. Oh alright ... I accept your plea for forgiveness.

Perhaps you should acknowledge that the 22 000 posts we've had to endure from you over the years are filled with ignorance and stupidity and that you don't know ANYTHING about the sport.

Dweba's selection over Marx isn't the first of it's kind, Stupid Dave.

We have seen class acts like Akker vd Merwe ignored. and in his place a 3rd rate chump in Bongi is brought in.  

How many more talented players do you want to lose to this racist regime?

Selecting the useless Kolisi at 6 and as captain should have been a clear heads up for you.

How did you miss that? 

Oh and anther thing ... Bongi is one of the better QUOTA hookers in the country. He is by no means within the top 10 best hookers on merit.

He is not test material and he knows it. He should do the right thing and give all his caps back.

We fell to 7th on the ranking list ... and even that wasn't enough to wake you up, Stupid.

We would rip the world of rugby a new one if we were to select on merit.

We would dominate the game for decades if we selected on merit.

We would retain our talent and not lose them to other countries if we selected on merit. 

Every player should deserve his spot in the team. There should be no such thing as handouts in sport.

I am pleased to welcome you back from y our comatose state, Stupid Dave. 

Please do not have a relapse.

Now say after me ... 

GOOOOOOOOOOOOO ALL BLACKSSSSS!!!




SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Aug 2022, 13:32
#30
11 Aug 2022, 13:32#30
Cunt trust you to be too fucking stupid to get my point Whoooosh
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
12 Aug 2022, 18:49
#31
12 Aug 2022, 18:49#31

So funny.

Quite hard to see how in this peculiar case, a starter is influenced by an inexisting quota policy.

IR wrote history when they delivered a legendary trilogy of game.

The key point was they did not hide, they played to their strengths, they kept to the same gameplan for three games in a row.

SA rugby can not do that. The only constance in them is their will to avoid playing rugby and prevent other teams from playing rugby.

Sheer negation.

Mind games, bluff etc are involved to blur the lines.

This little swap is part of it.

That is the miserable fate of teams that fail to achieve a shape in their game, they are condemned to tweak line ups in order to be surprising.

SA rugby teams are formless, they are unable to bring invariants to the field.

That is the ocean separating them from other teams.

For decades, the ABs brought to the game the same game principles and made them prevail times after times. The form they brought to the field was known by everyone.

IR did the same for their trilogy: they came with principles and kept applying them match in match out.

No needs for mind games, bluff or stuff...

SA rugby have nothing else to offer but than poo mind tricks, kind of playing one inside centre outside centre or stuff.


TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
12 Aug 2022, 18:55
#32
12 Aug 2022, 18:55#32

Everything that the ANC has touched has turned to S--T at the expense of all the people of SA.


Unfortunately no.

SA rugby are only SA by name, no soul, no heart, no root.

At the moment, it is perfused by the North that wants to cleanse the past and wishes for rugby to be something else than an association with the apartheid regime.

While the SA government will fail to localize rugby in SA, they unfortunately do not ruin it.

SA rugby are on their last breath, it is going to die sooner than later.

Fact is that the SA government has been failing to let SA rugby go.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
12 Aug 2022, 21:16
#33
12 Aug 2022, 21:16#33
Yip I see why.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Aug 2022, 21:23
#34
12 Aug 2022, 21:23#34

"SA rugby can not do that. The only constance in them is their will to avoid playing rugby and prevent other teams from playing rugby."

The petulant arrogance!!!...we play rugby, we just refuse to play it exactly the same way you seem to think is the only proper way...

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Aug 2022, 10:26
#35
13 Aug 2022, 10:26#35
Has anyone actually been watching Dwebe? I don’t know how the hell SA is doing this but he’s yet another absolute monster. Seriously, i have zero negative to say about his skill or power. I’m glad the guy is getting a run in a confident Bok side. He might have you all swallowing your words by the end of the first half. Marx was obviously our best player last week but i’m not sure that him starting is more intimidating that having him come on for the final 50 or 40. Imagine you’re the ABs, you know that the second half is going to be hell on earth, and SA will be bringing their best players on at that point. It’s a straight-up terrifying prospect. Rassie and Nienaber formulated the bomb squad idea. It’s been successful and nobody has found a solid solution to it because the base line for a solution is having parity in depth. So why change it? I say, leave well enough alone, give Dwebe a fair shake, and let’s use our best guys as sparingly as possible.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Aug 2022, 18:13
#36
13 Aug 2022, 18:13#36
Okay, that didn’t go so well :/
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Aug 2022, 18:42
#37
13 Aug 2022, 18:42#37

Touche

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Aug 2022, 18:52
#38
13 Aug 2022, 18:52#38

Magic Marx & Willemse

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Aug 2022, 19:24
#39
13 Aug 2022, 19:24#39

Turns out that Dwebe is in fact a DWEEB.

Useless quota.

Right, Stupid??

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
13 Aug 2022, 20:50
#40
13 Aug 2022, 20:50#40

Well Dwebe....what happened .

We tuned in to watch these replacements demolish the All Blacks but what did we miss.

What a shambles.


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