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Dywer says England scrum against written letter of the law

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Dec 2014, 10:53
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10 Dec 2014, 10:53#1

per espnscrum.com


The Wallabies' scrum remains the laughing stock of the rugby world but some of the recent criticism may in fact be a little unfair, with Rugby World Cup-winning coach Bob Dwyer accusing England of illegal tactics at Twickenham.(Will there be some squeals from the kbbs who scrum was destroyed by England resulting in a penalty try!)

The hosts overcame a spirited Wallabies outfit 26-17 to confine Michael Cheika's side to a third straight loss to round out 2014, with England's powerhouse scrum securing a number of penalties to go with a try in each half of the nine-point win. Cheika later suggested his side would need to re-evaluate their scrum tactics and introduce more "wheeling", but Dwyer, whose 1991 Wallabies lifted the World Cup, preferred to take aim at England and, specifically, skipper Chris Robshaw.

"England's scrummaging was totally against the written letter of the law," Dwyer said in an exclusive interview with ESPN. "I mean you're not allowed to have four players in the front-row - they forgot to mention that. He's [Robshaw] not the only bloke that's ever done that, I can remember way back in 1983 Argentina scrummaged that way. But Robshaw took it to a new level; he actually joined [Australia's] front-row. He not only joined his front-row but went past that and joined our front-row."

Robshaw's tactics were shown on replay but little has been made of their illegality largely because of the dominance of the England pack, and the long-running perception that Australia's scrum is among the weakest of the tier-one nations.

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While Dwyer was quick to lambast the England eight, he also paid tribute to their scrum and, in particular, their second try.

"Now in having said all that about England, the scrum in which they scored the pushover try, it looked to me as though that was probably the scrum that was closest to the written letter of the law of the whole match," Dwyer said. "I thought they didn't do anything irregular or 'illegal' in that scrum; so that was just sheer scrummaging strength. Maybe they'd given our scrum so much of a workout by that stage that [Australia] didn't know where we were going.

"So it's not only that you can vary your approach and go outside the law, it's straight scrummaging strength, tiredness and application as well. So [Australia] have to get better and we have to have a focused approach …we [Australia] we need to be quality scrummagers that can understand where pressure's coming from and understand to adjust; and indeed take advantage in some ways. So I think we were probably naïve and inexperienced in an across-the-board approach to scrummaging - particularly in front-row scrummaging." (Ditto the pap abs! hahahhahahahaha)

Cheika and his Wallabies staff have just nine months and four Tests to right Australia's scrummaging wrongs, with Wales and England both awaiting in the pool stage of Rugby World Cup 2015. It's not a great deal of time, but it may not even be an issue according to Dwyer - who believes there will be little chance of a uniform approach to scrum refereeing at the game's global showpiece.

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"I don't think there's any chance of having a consistent, accurate interpretation across the board," he said. "I think it's going to vary from referee to referee and game to game, and I think it's up to each scrum to be capable of adjusting their technique both in an attacking sense and a defensive sense. So I think it's up to us as individuals to sort that out."

While the scrum remains a sore point for Australian rugby, Cheika's introduction has seemingly re-ignited a faltering Wallabies attack and brought about a change in team culture. Dwyer added his support to the Cheika reign, saying he'd already recognised a few key improvements.

"I saw some very good things," he said. "On the previous spring tour a year ago, the Wallabies played very well. They didn't reach those heights this year but we did show some things that we hadn't showed for a long time. That was our No.9s and 10s getting second touches, which is a sign of a good attack; it's a good sign of good line of attack and accurate support play.

"I thought also we showed a real ability to put large numbers into a small space and score tries; Nick Phipps' second try against Ireland was a perfect example. And not many teams can do that; New Zealand can certainly do it but not many other teams can do it. It requires straight running and a clear understanding of what you're [trying] to do to the defence, and it's very difficult to defend against a team that can attack that way. I haven't seen us do that for a long time; so I thought they were real positives."


Read more at http://www.espnscrum.com/australia/rugby/story/250383.html#DFryBFEREKHV0GdL.99

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
10 Dec 2014, 11:00
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10 Dec 2014, 11:00#2

Who doesn't cheat at scrumtime?


The problem is the referees guess and therefor the scrum is a 50/50 call, usually going to the team who has made the best impression on the referee.


You either need to be strong enough to n egate these tactics, or be smart enough to negate them. 

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becsPro4,378 posts
10 Dec 2014, 11:11
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10 Dec 2014, 11:11#3
Oh that man never shuts up ! Always with the excuses too.....

And to think, he was over here, Coaching Leicester, one of the teams that pride themselves for cheating in the Scrums, for a while in the 1990's !!! Not big on irony, that man    
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2014, 14:46
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10 Dec 2014, 14:46#4
The number of poor calls made by refs at scrum time is becoming an issue......its clearly guess work at times  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Dec 2014, 14:53
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10 Dec 2014, 14:53#5
 Dywer is da man. I am sure the nasty poms are cheating a bit. However given how pap the wee abs scrum is and also OZ I am a bit surprised they need to. Maybe they are missing their first team props. I will always be appreciative of Dywer providing the stats that proved kiwi bias. 42  for penalities to a yellow for the wee abs, 7 for oz and 5 for the Boks i think it was. 

Of course England didnt bother us at scrum time. Wait till we have Du Toit and Malherbe operating in due course.Dr Mozzzzz needs to wake up re Malherbe. The away test agaisnt the Argies should have given him pause to think.
I also note Johan Goosen is not getting injured dispite all the bleats about his being injury prone etc. Same will happen re Malherbe and the egg will land again. Sigh when will they ev er learn!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2014, 19:09
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10 Dec 2014, 19:09#6
Marcel v/d Merwe and du Toit you mean.......Marcel is better than Malherbe  
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becsPro4,378 posts
10 Dec 2014, 20:20
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10 Dec 2014, 20:20#7
 No we were not cheating, Beeno ! 
Dwyer just whinges on and makes excuses all the time. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Dec 2014, 22:21
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10 Dec 2014, 22:21#8
 Snapster be advised Malherbe is stronger and quite a bit better outside the scrum. 
I think Dywer knows when there are too many poms in the front row etc Becs! Watch it Meyer has been alerted and can count to 4!

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becsPro4,378 posts
10 Dec 2014, 22:28
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10 Dec 2014, 22:28#9
 I think he talks rot most of the time so I would advise ignoring him  
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ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
11 Dec 2014, 00:19
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11 Dec 2014, 00:19#10
 Just whinging, a condition we like to attribute to the English but are becoming somewhat adept at ourselves. It is really fairly simple, our scrum is shit.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2014, 09:45
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11 Dec 2014, 09:45#11
 Becs you are being very hard on honest Bob Dywer. Bob reminds me of honest Justin Marshall that unique kiwi guy! When correctly fingered Becs one must simply own up and admit the error of ones ways! Which in Englands case are many. However I have to say in all honestly I did not see the 4 man front row effort by England and your captain Robshaw - that the capatin was involved is a clear  indication all is not well in the England camp re ethics!
On behalf of rugby lovers around the world I urge England not to go down the bent wee abs route. Like the wee abs you are desparate to win but not at the expense of your self regard etc.Draw a line  in the sand now as youappear to be on the slippery downward path of the wee abs! Lest your captain be called rob& cheat etc. Bwahahahahhahahaha


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