It’s simple - given Eben’s track record and his own version of the incident - I giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying he never intended to gouge the players eye
So regardless of what anyone thinks - only Eben knows the truth - so any point of view is nothing more than an opinion
It is another funny thing. Liberals clinging to their warped perception, no matter what. They can not switch tracks... This is going to be a major driving force when they get rid of hundreds of millions people.
This south african thug was sentenced for intentional eye gouging and yet, liberals cling to the idea it was not intentional. Same dudes who keep thinking there were WMDs in Iraq. And they peddle the same non sense: intent is measured by the result of the intent, which is a massive denial of what an intent is. No intent to eye gouge unless the eye is crushed.
Of course, this line of thought must not be applied to the claim of an alleged genocide against white farmers in South Africa, it does not work for black skinned people. But yes, liberals are not racist, they keep saying it.
Shut up you ignorant prick
"intent is measured by the result of the intent"
No, it's not.
Intent is where you aimed, the result is where the arrow lands.
"This south african thug was sentenced for intentional eye gouging and yet, liberals cling to the idea it was not intentional. Same dudes who keep thinking there were WMDs in Iraq. And they peddle the same non sense: intent is measured by the result of the intent, which is a massive denial of what an intent is. No intent to eye gouge unless the eye is crushed.
Of course, this line of thought must not be applied to the claim of an alleged genocide against white farmers in South Africa, it does not work for black skinned people. But yes, liberals are not racist, they keep saying it."
Your tears are so sweet...it's not genocide yet, they haven't started the extermination yet, but the persecution is in full swing...we will survive and excel non the less...we are proud and we are strong...and we will survive....despite your hate mongering...fuck you.
Draad, Trad is a naar gat Kiwi.
Trad is a nice 1980s chap.
Nice????
Well he’s a little confused. He believes you can’t measure intent by results. So if somebody with a gun shoots you through the leg versus through the head, you can’t conclude that his intent was to stop you rather than immediately kill you. But he’s a very nice chap and lucid.
Can I be nice to?
You should try or Father Christmas won’t visit….
I am Father Christmas
I’ve never found you at the end of my bed on Christmas Eve….
I hope Missus Dawie aint reading this thread.
I was in your bed Becs
It's very simple.
1) Trad appeared right after a group of Kiwis departed.
2) He initially tried to speak in riddles to disguise his identity.
3) After not getting the response he wanted, he started to slip and made it obvious that English is his first language.
4) His primary method of "attack" is race based because, from his perspective, that's our weakness.
5) He keeps up with the rugby - meaning he's not some random.
Trad is butthurt Kiwi...and there are only a couple of them that it could be.
Wardad...pity, I liked him.
Wardad used to play ButtPlug like a child. He'd pull his strings and push his buttons until ButtPlug went into one of his tearful rages and started behaving like he did during the infamous Cloudy episode.
Why on earth would Wardad need to change his identity when he owned ButtPlug the way he did?
Same is true of all the Kiwis. If any Kiwi ever says anything on this board ButtPlug starts whining immediately. Makes you wonder what caused ButtPlug's irrational hatred of anything NZ. My guess is his boyfriend once said Zinzan was good-looking.
I would be very surprised if Wardad is Trad. I wouldn't really have much clue what Trad is or isn't because I don't waste any time reading his attention-seeking drivel . . . but Wardad was an excellent poster who was driven off this board along with many other good Kiwi posters during ButtPlug's rabid anti-NZ hate campaign.
We used to have a core of Kiwi posters on here . . . Wardad, Justwin, Hakwa, Sasuke, ABasque, Cloudy among others . . . now we just get occasional visits from moolaa and Crusadersfan. Pity.
Hi Rooi
Having a good Xmas holiday?
"We used to have a core of Kiwi posters on here . . . Wardad, Justwin, Hakwa, Sasuke, ABasque, Cloudy among others . . . now we just get occasional visits from moolaa and Crusadersfan. Pity."
Indeed...I hope I'm wrong about Trad, I really liked Wardad but...
A core of foul-mouthed Kiwi posters that loved dishing it out but never failed to clutch those pearls with all the despair of Ophelia when it came back their way.
As I recall, they took great joy in using the worst language possible when it came to Beeno, labelled me a drug addict...
In fact, anybody that said anything negative about the ABs was instantly ganged up on and told they were crazy, jealous, stupid, etc.
I recall once being told how dumb, jealous and spiteful I was as I spoke about the fact that Ben Smith was making a habit of flying kicking people. A barrage of insults came my way. Then, Ben Smith's teammate got the first red card ever for that exact infringement and the Kung Fu vanished from the game.
The Bok fans are far better at being the supporters of the best side in the world. We are prepared to criticise our own players, argue over them and say how we feel. We are far less likely to hide behind our ranking and follow the herd.
Honestly, I'd much rather be a part of a crowd where there are elements of it that are able to look at the WC win in 23 and discuss it from a perspective of luck. Able to look at our coach and talk about his weaknesses and not fanboy every single player in the side.
Look at how Eben's eye gouge had been discussed here. There are those that think it was entirely intentional, those that think it's somewhere in the middle and those that think it was totally accidental. Nobody knows who is right and who is wrong but the discussion, to my mind at least, reflects a "healthy" fanbase.
ButtPlug, the reason the Kiwi posters didn't like you was because of your blatant hatred for all things NZ.
Your description of the core of Kiwi posters above is all the proof anyone needs that you probably need professional help.
You won't find a single post from the likes of Sasuke, Justwin or ABasquefan where they used foul language even once in all the years they frequented this board.
Go on, big-mouth, prove me wrong. Also show where any one of them were unreasonably confrontational. Ever.
Don't be a weak coward now . . .
Rooi...the day I start caring what you think is the day I need professional help.
You've only ever proven yourself to be a bitter twat.
Uh . . . okay then, be a weak coward . . . if you insist.
Uh...okay...I will