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sharkbokCaptain23,286 posts
04 Jan 2015, 23:49
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04 Jan 2015, 23:49#1


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Elton Jantjies in SA Rugby magazine

Being a regular starter for his Japanese club has helped Elton Jantjies to regain his form and confidence, writes SIMON BORCHARDT.

With two minutes to go in their must-win Top League match against the NEC Green Rockets, the NTT Communications Shining Arcs took the ball through several phases before it came back to Elton Jantjies, who was standing in the middle of the field, 45m out. The flyhalf made a split-second decision to kick a right-footed drop goal that sailed over the crossbar and soon after NTT celebrated a win that took them into the top-eight stage of the competition.

It was a special moment for Jantjies, whose mother Alma was in the stands, and one that gave his confidence a further boost.

Jantjies has had a tough time of it since earning two Springbok caps off the bench during the 2012 Rugby Championship. His attacking game, which had been lauded at the Lions, didn’t gel with the Stormers’ more conservative approach during an unsuccessful on-loan stint last year, and he missed the start of this year’s Super Rugby tournament due to a shoulder injury. That allowed Marnitz Boshoff to take ownership of the Lions No 10 jersey, and while Jantjies did start three matches after returning from injury, he got just 311 minutes game time out of a possible 960.

Jantjies had decided before Super Rugby to play club rugby in Japan later in the year, and it’s proved to be a good move for him considering that Boshoff, when fit, was an automatic selection for the Lions in the recent Currie Cup.

As you would expect, Jantjies has been the Shining Arcs’ first-choice flyhalf throughout the Top League season, with head coach Rob Penney and backline coach Hugh Reece-Edwards, the former Natal and Springbok fullback, giving him their full backing.

‘Coach Reece is the chilled one, while Coach Rob has the rugby brain, so it’s a lot like playing under Carlos Spencer and John Mitchell when they were at the Lions,’ says Jantjies.

‘When I arrived in Japan the first thing the coaches told me was not to put pressure on myself, because they know I always want to perform and have high standards for myself. They said I must just enjoy it and express myself on the field. They have also given me a lot of responsibility and I’ve become one of the leaders within the  team, even though it’s my first season here.’

'When I arrived in Japan the first thing the coaches told me was not to put pressure on myself'

Jantjies relishes running the show for NTT and doesn’t have too much trouble communicating with his Japanese teammates.

‘They understand a bit of English and rugby terms, and we have calls for general and specific attacking plays, so everyone is on the same page. It can be difficult to communicate if I want to play off the cuff, but often they see what I am trying to do.’

While the standard of rugby in the Top League is well below that of Super Rugby, and closer to the Vodacom Cup than the Currie Cup, Jantjies says the pressure to perform in Japan is just as great.

‘I feel the same pressure playing for NTT as I do for the Lions, because you’re playing for a company and not just a team,’ he says. ‘The company expects a lot from their players, especially the foreigners they’ve invested in.

‘There are notable differences between the Top League and Currie Cup,’ he adds. ‘The rucks are quick in Japan, because the breakdown is not as physical. Japanese teams also like to make leg tackles so they focus on line speed in defence, whereas in South Africa it’s all about maintaining line integrity and alignment. Our coaches have changed our defensive structure this season, which is probably why we have reached the top eight.’

However, as Jantjies indirectly points out, it’s unfair to compare largely amateur Japanese clubs with fully-professional South African sides.

‘In Japan, the local players all have day jobs with the company that owns the rugby team,’ he says. ‘At NTT, I go to gym at 10am – an unusual time for me as I’m used to 5am sessions with the Lions – and then train with the team from 3pm, when the locals players get off work, until 6 or 7pm. It’s not like in South Africa where the team can focus on rugby all day.’

Jantjies has also had to adjust to the Japanese culture, which he admits took some time.

‘The language is the big issue, the food is very different and you have to get used to the different mode of travelling. We use bicycles and trains a lot, and aren’t allowed to drive cars to the company for safety and insurance reasons.

‘But I’ve really enjoyed it here,’ he adds. ‘I’ve got a nice two-bedroomed apartment – although the club uses one of the rooms – and stay in the best part of Tokyo, close to Disney World.’

Most importantly, Jantjies is enjoying his rugby and getting back to his best.

‘I’m very happy with my performances and I feel like I’m playing like I did for the Lions last year before getting injured. I want to maintain this form for the rest of the Japanese season, go back to the Lions, have a good Super Rugby season, and get back into the Springbok squad.’

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,286 posts
04 Jan 2015, 23:52
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04 Jan 2015, 23:52#2
He seems to enjoying the amateur setup in Japan. He really stands out at training given his team mates work in full time jobs during training sessions. 
Must be a kick in the teeth for the local players who have to go to 9-5 jobs, and foreigners are all putting their feet up having an easy day.

AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
05 Jan 2015, 08:33
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05 Jan 2015, 08:33#3
 I never liked Jantjies as a player at any level.
But give the guy a break as he had the guts to take the leap into Japan in an attempt and salvage his playing career.
Good luck to him.
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
05 Jan 2015, 13:41
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05 Jan 2015, 13:41#4
Japanese rugby may not be as physical, but is much more structured on attack. It's an excellent place for our players to learn all the things our coaching system can never teach them, in an environment that is conducive to learning. The problem will be this, he will come back to South Africa, and they won't know what to do with him . I think Jantjies should stay in Japan and milk it for all it's worth.
AG
AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
05 Jan 2015, 19:47
#5
05 Jan 2015, 19:47#5
 Nice to see him do well.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,286 posts
05 Jan 2015, 19:55
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05 Jan 2015, 19:55#6
It is funny when out sight and out of mind, his support base has grown 
When he was playing for the Stormers he became calamity James.
One wonders if the axes will be sharpened once he returns to SuperXV action!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2015, 01:35
#7
06 Jan 2015, 01:35#7
Jantjies has the free spirited attacking outlook to the game that I love. A gifted player with lovely touches. Sadly SA rugby is too conservative to embrace his type.....its much like Willie s credentials being questioned by some of the conservative pricks out there.
Give me the likes of Jantjies, Willie, Campese, Cullen, Cipriani or Cooper over boring bloody plodders like Morne, Barritt, Barry, Tindall, Koen, Braam and the likes.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2015, 06:37
#8
06 Jan 2015, 06:37#8
It's amazing what a trendy haircut  and a few inside passes can do for a small, puny chap  who evidently has no bottle. 
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Jan 2015, 12:36
#9
06 Jan 2015, 12:36#9
 Jantjies has never failed to display his limited ability at club level....at club level.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2015, 12:52
#10
06 Jan 2015, 12:52#10

Ah yeah small puny chap

 

 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Jan 2015, 13:47
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06 Jan 2015, 13:47#11
 
Personally I would prefer he stay in Japan a little longer.

A good 5 year stint should do him good. He could work on his Japanese and learn to appreciate the culture there.

I see he's signed up to play for the Lions in this year Super Rugby ... meaning the lad will return to SA, out of shape, not used to the physicality nor the pace and we'll be forced to endure him and his nervous disposition for the rest of the season.

Can't wait!!!!!!!
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
06 Jan 2015, 14:58
#12
06 Jan 2015, 14:58#12
Saffex, being free spirited is not going to get an attacking game going. 

In the context of Jantjies, he lacked the physical presence to play flat enough to open the game up. It's pointless having the skills if you get killed every time you touch the ball. It was evident in SA that he had developed a fear of playing too close to the defensive line. 
@CleanCut: Our Japanese based rugby players usually come back in better cardio condition. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jan 2015, 16:16
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06 Jan 2015, 16:16#13
Full nameElton Thomas JantjiesBorn(1990-08-01) 1 August 1990 (age 24)
Graaff Reinet, South AfricaHeight1.76 m (5 ft 9 in)Weight84 kg (13 st 3 lb

 

                 lighter than

                                                                 

Full nameEnrico Ricardo JanuarieDate of birth(1982-01-02) 2 January 1982 (age 33)Place of birthHopefield, South AfricaHeight1.68 m (5 ft 6 in)Weight95 kilograms (209 lb)

   

 

                 But taller than

 

 

 

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
06 Jan 2015, 16:49
#15
06 Jan 2015, 16:49#15
How many times Saffex, size does not equal strength. If he is in so many ways "perfect", why does he struggle? Being perfect isn't enough, eh? 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Jan 2015, 22:16
#16
06 Jan 2015, 22:16#16
According to who does he not hold his own - YOU ?
What a joke. There has never been an issue with Jantjies strength. What another load of utter bullshit.
Much like Taute being better than JJ at 13. It's as bad as saying Morne is a good rugby player.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:04
#17
07 Jan 2015, 13:04#17
 
I know a few chaps who weigh in at more than 90kg ... all 5 ft 6 of them.

Just a heads-up ... when the belly hits the knee while you're running, be advised, you have a condition ... it needs your attention ... 



DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
07 Jan 2015, 13:22
#18
07 Jan 2015, 13:22#18
Did you even watch Jantjies' stint for WP? Or any games with the Lions? Of how about his disastrous test career? I don't have anything against the kid personally, but he has a big problem with physicality. He looked a bit podgy too. You say he is a superstar, but every team found him unusable. Just like your man Cooper.

JJ is in oblivion right now. And make no mistake, I don't rate Taute as a 13 (you did, vehemently), but he at least looked something like a centre. JJ did nothing and got worse as time went on, and now he is where?

Why do you always commit to extremes? You sound bi-polar to me. Every player is either the greatest in the world or the worst thing that ever existed. It must be exhausting being you.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jan 2015, 14:52
#19
07 Jan 2015, 14:52#19

So Lestat, kindly go watch JJ's last test against the Kiwi's and tell me he did nothing you ignorant fool

 

He is only oblivion because we have a useless coach on board who has no bloody idea when it comes to selections or game plans. Evidenced by the might 55% win record in 2014 against the top rugby nations.

 

Meyer  is useless.

 

As for Taute at 13, I am a fan, but JJ is far better 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jan 2015, 15:11
#20
07 Jan 2015, 15:11#20
 
Dave ... both JJ and Taute are outside backs.

They may get away with playing in the midfield at provincial level, but not at test level ... especially not playing against seasoned specialists.

Time you put that nonsense to rest.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2015, 17:36
#21
07 Jan 2015, 17:36#21
Taute is a slow fullback....JJ is a fast wing with very little rugby nous. Why we still talk about them has more to do with fantasy than reality.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jan 2015, 18:02
#22
07 Jan 2015, 18:02#22

Disagree......what JJ showed me with ball in hand against the Kiwi' is exactly what I want to see in a Bok 13.....a guy with serious gas and a good step. The way he beat Savea with an outside break is what we want in a 13.

 

This is the very reason I want to see Kobus v/Wyk of WP used at 13 for he offers exactly what JJ does, with potentially a harder edge. v/Wyk played all his age group rugby at centre.

 

As an alternative, I'd be looking at de Allende and Andre Esterhuizen as options at 13, they would offer the same as a player like Kurandrani of Oz.

 

Then we have the Fourie clone in Stokkies Hanekom and good young prospects in Pat Howard and Tyler Fisher  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jan 2015, 21:40
#23
07 Jan 2015, 21:40#23
 Geez Dave Esterhuizen missed the key tackle on his opponent that lost the Junior Rugby WC. How the hell is he going to do at senior level if he is as slow as a cart horse?
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
08 Jan 2015, 14:58
#24
08 Jan 2015, 14:58#24
D e Allende a Kuridrani? Shall we rewind to the Argentina tests? Wow!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jan 2015, 15:11
#25
08 Jan 2015, 15:11#25

Um Moz I guess you missed Esterhuizen in the CC and his miss on his opponent in the JWC had nothing to do with speed and everything to do with him being injured after a massive collision earlier on.

 

Get with it Moz

 

Lestat, yes lets revisit the Argies test. de Allende was solid in his limited test exposure but more importantly imagine being stupid enough to think that a player has had a fair crack at test rugby after two outings  

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
08 Jan 2015, 15:20
#26
08 Jan 2015, 15:20#26
Two tests and two no shows on defence and nothing on attack? Kuridrani only needed one opportunity to stake his claim. But these picks of yours need in excess of five years minimum and counting. He made 3 tackles, not great ones and missed 5. He looked better when he was slotted at 12, but you claim he is Kuridrani at 13.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jan 2015, 15:49
#27
08 Jan 2015, 15:49#27

Bullshit Kurandrani has had numerous tests. de Allende never got the ball on attack and where did he fail defensively......stop lying as per usual.

 

I said he has the potential to be a Kurandrani at 13 you muppet......I did not say he was that......wake up 

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
08 Jan 2015, 15:56
#28
08 Jan 2015, 15:56#28
You said there were alternatives that would offer the same as Kuridrani. That's not speaking of potentials but definite output. If they were selected, they would offer the same, exactly what Kuridrani is producing. 'Would' is the past tense of 'will' and used in conditional statements such as that which you just made. If... would...

But I'm the muppet *rolls eyes*
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jan 2015, 18:59
#29
08 Jan 2015, 18:59#29

How pathetically pedantic you are.....try get a life. I was talking potential as there is no way I could say he IS a Kurandrani.

 

Are are too stupid to comprehend the fact that 12 is not his spot.......he is hardly the creative sort now is he.....he is more your finisher who relies on strength and skill much like Kurandrani  

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