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Elton Jantjies SA Super Rugby Player of the Decade - SANZAR

Started by Augenöffner31 REPLIES1,245 VIEWS· 14 Apr 2020, 16:25
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Apr 2020, 16:25
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14 Apr 2020, 16:25#1

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Apr 2020, 16:32
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14 Apr 2020, 16:32#2

""Flyhalf Elton Jantjies puts up some super impressive figures: he scored the second most points (1,145) of any player in the last 10 years, also made the third-most try assists (59) of any player while gaining the most metres (2 902) and making the most clean breaks (50) of any South African No. 10s. He is the Player of the Decade."

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
14 Apr 2020, 16:47
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14 Apr 2020, 16:47#3

Sorry to burst your bubble guy but you missed APRIL's FOOL day by 13 days.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Apr 2020, 17:07
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14 Apr 2020, 17:07#4

This was posted today. It's official. There you go Lügnerin, it's official that Jantjies is the best Bok 10, an d it's not even close. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2020, 17:30
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14 Apr 2020, 17:30#5

No comment other than  he was useless - but not as useless as the Morne Steyn clown.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Apr 2020, 17:40
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14 Apr 2020, 17:40#6

But he won an award. Are you telling me you are arrogant enough to know more about the game than SANZAR? Useless? Pffft! Sour grapes, nie? 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
14 Apr 2020, 17:56
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14 Apr 2020, 17:56#7

Who was the chairperson of the board......Ramaphosa or Malema.

He might well have the number quoted but he was an average flyhalf at best.

Not in the same class as Carter, Barratt and a few later in the decade players.


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Apr 2020, 19:19
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14 Apr 2020, 19:19#8

He has clearly been the third best of the decade. Morne, Pollard and then Jantjies. It must be noted the degree to which the Lions have put the ball in his hands and how they run off 10, which is very different to every other union in SA. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Apr 2020, 22:54
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14 Apr 2020, 22:54#9
Morne has been the worst Bok 10 ever Jantjies is 100 times better than useless Morne Hell Manie Libbok is better than Morne
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Apr 2020, 23:11
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14 Apr 2020, 23:11#10
“ Posted by: Saffex (18472 posts) Apr 14, 2020, 22:54 Morne has been the worst Bok 10 ever...” No shit? Why haven’t you told us this before?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Apr 2020, 00:04
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15 Apr 2020, 00:04#11
Fuck off you pathetic twat
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Apr 2020, 05:30
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15 Apr 2020, 05:30#12

Really? Morné is the worst Bok of all time and the worst 10 of all time yet he has the second-highest points per test ratio in Bok history (best points per minute of all players for the game time info I have going as far back as 2000). He was also comfortably the highest points scorer in the 2011 World Cup. He has over 80% success as a tackler. He also holds the most records of any Bok 10:

  1. World record for most points scored by a player who has scored all their team's points (31).
  2. Most points scored against New Zealand (31) in a single test
  3. South African record for penalties in a test (8) – beating the seven achieved twice by former fullback and now kicking coach of South Africa, Percy Montgomery.
  4. All of the above records achieved with his 31 points scored in the Tri Nations 2009 match against the All Blacks in Durban on 1 Aug 09
  5. South African record for most points in a test against Australia.
  6. Fastest 100 points by a Springbok (8 Test matches, 3 as replacement)
  7. Fastest 200 points by a Springbok (16 Test matches)
  8. Fastest 300 points by a Springbok (24 Test matches)
  9. Fastest 400 points by a Springbok (33 Test matches)
  10. Fastest 500 points by a Springbok (43 Test matches)
  11. Fastest 600 points by a Springbok (50 Test matches)
  12. Fastest 700 points by a Springbok (62 Test matches)
  13. Most drop-goals in a Super Rugby season (11).
  14. Most points scored against the All Blacks for a Springbok (31).
  15. Most points in a Tri Nations match (31).
  16. Most drop goals in a Super Rugby game (4) (in the 2009 Super 14 semi-final against the Crusaders)
  17. Most drop goals in Super Rugby (25)
  18. Most drop goals in a Super Rugby season (11 in 2009)
  19. Most penalties in a Super Rugby season (51 in 2010)Most points in a Super Rugby season (263) – Beating Dan Carter's record of 221 set in 2006.
  20. Most points by a Bulls player in Super Rugby history (1,467)
  21. Most points by a South African and first South African to reach 1,000 points in Super Rugby (1,467)
  22. Steyn also holds the record for most consecutive successful kicks at goal in Test play since statistics for that category were first kept in the late 1980s. He had a streak of 41 successful attempts that ended on 6 November 2010 against Ireland. The previous record was 36, held by Chris Paterson of Scotland.
Not a bad record for the worst player in the world, worst 10 in the world or worst Bok of all time. Do tell me again what the record is for Goosen, Lambie, Elton et al. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Apr 2020, 10:46
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15 Apr 2020, 10:46#13
Yes he can fucking kick but trust you to define a player on his ability to kick for poles. I’m not that sad. It’s just a pity that he offers zero with ball in hand and is shit scared of tackling Utterly useless rugby player - no talent at all apart from goal kicking
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
15 Apr 2020, 10:49
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15 Apr 2020, 10:49#14
If Morne Steyn was not playing during the Bulls golden era (and the Boks Golden era), he would not have gotten all those kicking records.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Apr 2020, 11:35
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15 Apr 2020, 11:35#15
Morne Steyn has scored more test tries than the beloved Henri Honibal.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Apr 2020, 11:40
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15 Apr 2020, 11:40#16
“ Posted by: sharkbok (11168 posts) Apr 15, 2020, 10:49 If Morne Steyn was not playing during the Bulls golden era (and the Boks Golden era), he would not have gotten all those kicking records.” Actually, he was one of the reasons why the Bulls had the so-called golden era. Does anybody have the number for the paramedics in Riversdale. We need to put them on alert to rush to ou Maaikie’s house when he reads this. I’ll call 111 for Dawie on this side.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Apr 2020, 11:44
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15 Apr 2020, 11:44#17

I'm guessing but he probably played more tests than Honiball. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Apr 2020, 13:03
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15 Apr 2020, 13:03#18
“I'm guessing but he probably played more tests than Honiball. “ Morne Steyn: 66 Tests 8 Tries Henry Honiball: 35 Tests 1 Try You’re welcome to do the math yourself. PS. Morne scored his 7th try in his 35th test.
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
15 Apr 2020, 13:08
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15 Apr 2020, 13:08#19
It's interesting that Morne is lauded for his kicking of penalties and conversions, which is essentially chances for him created by other players, food for thought. 
Everything Morne achieved was pre 2012, when it was time for him to stand on his own two feet he collapsed, that's the truth of it. 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Apr 2020, 13:09
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15 Apr 2020, 13:09#20

No problem, I believe you.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Apr 2020, 13:32
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15 Apr 2020, 13:32#21

"Everything Morne achieved was pre 2012, when it was time for him to stand on his own two feet he collapsed, that's the truth of it."

It's very unfortunate for you that Morné was a key cog in the last great attacking Bok side the following year. You just can't make this stuff up! Always wrong. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
15 Apr 2020, 14:46
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15 Apr 2020, 14:46#22

Yep, Morne has the great kicking ability but was weak on defence now tell me just how great Elton is on attack and defence.

He is shit scared when he gets the ball and mostly sells a suicide pass to the #12 or whoever has the misfortune to be on his side.

His natural attacking and defence ability has rejuvenated the way rugby is played today and is the standard for all "Chicken" #10's henceforth.

When he first appeared on the scene the hype was incredible and I honestly believed that he was going to mature to be one of the better #10's wearing the Springbok jersey....alas he did not deliver.

I am no fan of Morne either but referring to the record posted above it is certainly impressive and will not likely be matched soon if ever.

It appears that the one-eyed "Jacks" at Sanzar watched a different series of Super rugby games to us regulars to determine the "SA Super Rugby Player of the decade". 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Apr 2020, 14:57
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15 Apr 2020, 14:57#23

Morné was the second-best defensive Bok 10 of the last 40 years, easily. Manhandling big units that the likes of Lambie, Damian and Steph were run over by. Who could forget Nonu's run at Morné in our 22 in the 2013 Ellis Park test? Held him up, turned him around and exposed him for a strip. Knocking jaws om his backside, or handing off big 115kg Mermoz in 2009, or his perfect defence against Samoa in the 2011 WC? A test Smit defined as the most physical of his career.

I put the challenge out there, and none of the critics can find a shred of proof. I have, by contrast made scores of references on top of all the film I have posted spanning so many games.

Morné critics simply have nothing. Nicht, nada. Just really bitter green envy. 

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
15 Apr 2020, 15:01
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15 Apr 2020, 15:01#24
Well it wasn't a great attacking side? The emergence of Le Roux and the in form Habana and De Villiers of 2012 and 2013 were the shining lights if that's what you're referring to, Morne and Pienaar held that side back. 
Returning to Jantjies, he's a quality Super Rugby player that needs to be tailored to in order to shine. Ackermann, Mitchell and Swys recognised this and the Lions benefited with a gung-ho approach that made Super Rugby special.   


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Apr 2020, 15:09
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15 Apr 2020, 15:09#25

Actually no. Willie was a liability until the Scottish test, the last test of the year. The most important players were Habana, Morné, Alberts, Thor, Louw, Eben. That was the spine of the team. Jean did have his best season. It was his most dynamic season. Last good season. But, he wasn't integral. In fact, we can add Kirchner to the list, he either assisted or scored many tries. He was in fantastic form throughout that RC and outplayed every other fullback. 

The screen game and Morné's long bullet pass were key ingredients in generating that attack. So, if we boil it down to core aspects of the gameplan. The maul (our best to date), Alberts, Thor and Morné were our key players. Without Morné that attack doesn't happen. He was at the heart of it. 

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
15 Apr 2020, 15:28
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15 Apr 2020, 15:28#26
No, on attack Willie shone straight away. 
Alberts was a monster in the English series in 2012 then wasn't able to reach even 50% of that level ever again. Zane assisting wasn't in the same respect as Willie, he was small part of play that other better players set up where he'd have a simple draw and pass to the eventual try scorer. You've inflated his abilities on this board. He was solid and that was as far as I'd go. 
The trend of Morne missing touch or covering unsubstantial amounts of meters for penalties to set up mauls began in 2012, so you're wrong there. And even if he did what you say, him setting up mauls is truly scrapping the bottom of the barrel for credit. In anticipation of you trying to claim any set move try from mauls is to Morne's credit, then what I'll say is this. Well done, he was able to pull off a move the team practised countless times where the ingenuity was again not coming from him but the coaches. He was a computer on attack, he didn't have the natural instincts that a Pollard has. 
Alberts, Morne, Pienaar (as scrum half), JJ and Jannie Du Plessis let Meyer down, but that was his own fault for persisting with them.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Apr 2020, 15:33
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15 Apr 2020, 15:33#27
Morne Steyn and Naas are our worst defending flyhalves ever Morne is our worst attacking 10 ever He could kick though!!!!
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Apr 2020, 15:49
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15 Apr 2020, 15:49#28

"Returning to Jantjies, he's a quality Super Rugby player that needs to be tailored to in order to shine."

Please. He's been around since 2012 and 37 test caps and he needs to be tailored to in order to shine?

"Apr 15, 2020, 15:33

Morne Steyn and Naas are our worst defending flyhalves ever

Morne is our worst attacking 10 ever

He could kick though!!!!"

Hey ou Dawie Dickhead, I see you forgot to end your post with "FACT".

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
15 Apr 2020, 15:57
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15 Apr 2020, 15:57#29
Yeah? You don't play a conservative game with him . That would be like forcing a square peg in a round hole. 
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Apr 2020, 16:26
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15 Apr 2020, 16:26#30

"No, on attack Willie shone straight away"

No, no he wasn't. Overdid the chip and frequently ran into trouble. He was very error prone. The Scottish test at the end of the year was his breakout game.

Alberts was at his best in 2013. He was a massive part of what was the last successful loose trio for the Boks. Immovable. Key generator of momentum.

Kirchner? He was right in there connecting the wings and setting up opportunities. Outplayed Folau. He had an excellent campaign. Worked hard. His only weakness was relieving kicks at times. That mostly presented itself in the Ellis Park test in the second half a couple of times. A very underrated player because the media didn't like him. Had a better season than either Steph or Damian have ever had.

Morné's kicking mistakes are grosssly exaggerated and largely built on Pienaar's poor high balls in Dunedin, 2012. Secondly, I didn't credit Morné with the maul, I pointed it out as a key feature of the Bok game that year. 

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
15 Apr 2020, 18:44
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15 Apr 2020, 18:44#31


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Apr 2020, 08:04
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16 Apr 2020, 08:04#32

So is LSD, never combine the two again my friend. Remember, Doktor Auge is only here to help you. 

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