Elton Jantjies

Mike, you are making more and more of a spectacle of yourself. Firstly, I find it interesting that you chose the year 2004, when Meyer coached up until 2007. You chose a less successful year to embellish this notion that he can't gameplan. There is another spanner in the works for you: The ELVs. Nobody played like Meyer's 2015 Boks in 2004. The closest any team came were the Brumbies and Wallabies. Both teams being penalized often for their screen plays which resulted in obstructions. The shapes, patterns and plays of Meyer's 2015 Boks were very far removed from any rugby side prior to 2008. In fact, these trends only really started to emerge fully the past five years. You are unbelievably behind the times. This is doubly shameful considering I have told you these things no less than eight times! When someone fails to learn from experience, there is something very wrong.

Secondly, a ball passed to a forward doesn't mean a crashball. This again highlights the fact that you can't follow the game at even a basic level. The backs typically behind or outside the forwards. It's such a common thing to have a pod short outside the scrumhalf, the ball handling forward will either carry it up, pass amongst the pod or play it out the back to a playmaker back who typically directs play. This is where you and Herr Rot made quite the blunder in calling Schalk at flyhalf. Even worse that neither of you saw Steph occupying exactly the same role, but with much, much less variation. 

This thread started off as a simple offer to put some footage together of Jantjies. Little did I know the scalps which would be presented before me. I must regrettably decline these offerings. I like to hunt for mine. 

Sure Silly Billy 

I will quote you for what it is worth:-

"The ELVs. Nobody played like Meyer's 2015 Boks in 2004"

Sure - the statement is somewhat mixed up,  Nobody obviously could use the ELVs promulgated in 2008 in 2004.   And nobody bar the Springboks use the Meyer game plan of 2004  in 2015.   Other teams will not be stupid enough to do that,

Does that help a bit Silly Billy?    

Really? Nobody placed importance on playing in the oppositions half? Nobody used patterns to play from the middle of the field? Careful now, because this was a long time feature of the All Black game. The plays and shapes, I can see them in every team during the Meyer era and in present time. Heck, we see in Rasse's Boks. You are making a complete fool of yourself Mike. 

How did the ELVs affect rugby? The increased space meant attacking teams immediately began exploiting direct carries off 8 from scrums. Spies gave us guaranteed front foot ball right up the seam every time. This eliminated many of the more complex backrow moves we used to see. 

The increased space for the attack meant defences had more time to read and adjust to the attack, so we saw more layers adopted from rugby league. Before the ELVs teams were flatter, required better short range passing skills and angles of running were more effective. So the game has become deeper, with slower developing plays. In more recent years teams are broken into mini-units of 2s and 3s, mixtures of forwards and backs. Traditional backline structure has changed dramatically. All this, but the Boks were apparently at #2 in the world for years with a backward 2004 gameplan. The Bulls under Ludeke didn't play anything like those earlier Bulls sides either. 

Watch the 2015 Wallaby test. We see the Boks hand Wallabies implementing very similar shapes and plays. Both very modern. In fact, what we find in that game is more sophisticated than anything from any Bok test of last year. Far more adventurous. 

You make this too easy because you never ever think before you speak. You make assumptions founded on irrational feelings and embarrass yourself everyday on this forum. Then you become irate when you aren't taken seriously. Ende.

Silly Billy

What you imagined to see  mentioned in the following are laughable:-

Really? Nobody placed importance on playing in the oppositions half? Nobody used patterns to play from the middle of the field? Careful now, because this was a long time feature of the All Black game. The plays and shapes, I can see them in every team during the Meyer era and in present time. Heck, we see in Rasse's Boks. You are making a complete fool of yourself Mike. 

You must be the only idiot who saw anything in plays and shapes in the Meyer tests,  Meyer himself did not see it - because he stated publicly that the Springboks backline do not hae the skills to play a ball0in0hand game. Enough said - fool  

For the rest your contribution amounts to generalized verbal diarrhea.   The Wallaby test you referred to is the one where you went on attack against De Allende who aoeed to eb the inside center that day - just ask your assistant Pakie to get out the lies spouted on site,   If the fact that the Boks played a different game in that test was the norm and example what the Sprngboks played - it is possible an aberration bearing in mind the fact that it was a completely different one Meyer used to date,    Fact is the reasonable site members said it was a huge improvement on what happened in the past and could make a difference  in future - the site members you associated with condemned the players outright,  

There is not a false claim in every sentence above - which you have claimed to happen  that happened under Meyer - maybe in the four years  Meyer coached something like what you clamed happened by accident - never to be repeated again.   Fact is Meyer's own public statements indicated that he never intended to implement anything like what you claimed ion site,,