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England relying of forward power

Started by Beeno17 REPLIES198 VIEWS· 29 Nov 2014, 08:13
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2014, 08:13
#1
29 Nov 2014, 08:13#1

Ex Supersport

It is fortunate for coach Stuart Lancaster that England's best chance of winning the World Cup on home soil is through the dominance of their forwards, as the backline remains a work in progress with no end in sight.

(THERE CAN BE LITTLE DOUBT THE WEE ABS PACK WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO THE POMS PACK. ONLY SOUTH AFRICA WITH A DECENTLY SELECTED 8 WILL GET THE BETTER OF THE POMS PACK)

When Billy Twelvetrees and Brad Barritt line up for Saturday's match against Australia they will be the 41st centre pairing used since the 2003 World Cup final, Lancaster's 11th and his fifth in the last six games.

In contrast, Jamie Roberts and Jonathan Davis will start together for the 33rd time for Wales against South Africa in Cardiff on Saturday.

After an initial experiment with Owen Farrell at 12 - repeated with little success last week - Lancaster seemed to have a settled pairing with Manu Tuilagi and Brad Barritt in his first season in charge.

True, they did not create much, but with Lancaster's first need being to steady the England ship after a poor 2011 World Cup, the fact that they barely missed a tackle and brought even more power to the team made them ideal.

Injuries brought that partnership to an end and for this year's Six Nations, after a brief flirtation with rugby league convert Joel Tomkins, Lancaster again seemed settled with Twelvetrees and Luther Burrell.

A semi-fit Twelvetrees had a poor game in New Zealand, however, raising doubts about his concentration levels, and was dropped as Lancaster cast the net again.

Jamie Joseph and Kyle Eastmond, both excellent attacking runners, were tried, while Barritt came back into favour.

SUCCESSFUL MODEL

Twelvetrees gets the chance again this week, when Lancaster will want penetration and creativity at 12, with Barritt offering defensive solidity and organisation outside him - just as in the successful model of Will Greenwood and Mike Tindall at England's 2003 peak.

"By the end of this series we will have learned a lot about who can deliver," Lancaster said on Thursday after naming his team to face the Wallabies 11 months before the teams meet again in the World Cup.

"Billy has the chance to nail down the shirt for the Six Nations," he added, accepting that with only nine games remaining before the start of the World Cup time was running out for any more experiments.

With Tuilagi expected to return to the fold in the New Year, and a probable starter at 13, Lancaster still has to decide who works best alongside him.

The prospect of rugby league convert Sam Burgess teaming up in a bulldozing double act with Tuilagi must be a tempting one for Lancaster, though it remains a long shot.

Burgess, fresh from winning Australia's rugby league grand final with South Sydney, is set for his first union start off the bench for Bath on Friday but could well be used in the back row by his new club.

Lancaster's midfield decisions are further complicated by the lack of certainty regarding the selections around them.

Farrell looked nailed on at flyhalf but has been dropped this week as George Ford gets a chance to make the shirt his own. Any one of four scrumhalves could be first choice by next September with Ben Youngs, Richard Wigglesworth, Danny Care and Lee Dickson all still in the mix.

SETTLED PACK

Jonny May and Anthony Watson are the latest to get their hands on the wingers' shirts and have both played well in the November series. Lancaster would no doubt love to see them stay there after having to deal with almost as many changes out wide as in midfield.

All of which must make it extra reassuring that his pack is looking largely settled, and highly competitive.

Despite continual reservations from some observers, Chris Robshaw remains his first choice at openside flanker and the captain again led the way with more than 20 tackles in last weekend's victory over Samoa.

Tom Wood, dropped for the first time by Lancaster for that match, is back at blindside, with Ben Morgan and Billy Vunipola likely to take their battle for the No 8 slot all the way to the World Cup.

Joe Launchbury's injury broke up his impressive second-row partnership with Courtney Lawes but the upside for Lancaster has been more game time for Dave Attwood and some impressive cameos off the bench by the previously uncapped George Kruis.

Dylan Hartley, for all his continuing disciplinary problems, remains a top-notch hooker and England's lineout has been superb with him at the helm.

In the continuing absence of Alex Corbisiero, Dan Cole and Maku Vunipola, Dave Wilson and Joe Marler have also developed into excellent props.

There is high quality and some strength in depth in the pack and if Lancaster can nail down some sort of settled backline England, for all their problems, are likely to be strong contenders next October.

IF MEYER GETS HIS SELECTIONS RIGHT THE BOKS WILL BE THE TEAM TO BEAT ALONG WITH ENGLAND. 

OZ need a stronger pack and nz likewise if they are going to be serious contenders. Full strength Pom or Bok packs will have them for breakfast. Now I appeal to the kbbs and OZ supporters to carefully consider the above and temper their RWC hopes with realism. You are contenders but can you beat the big boys one has to ask.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2014, 08:16
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29 Nov 2014, 08:16#2
 More about Burgess. Seems England could ahve two very strong centers:

ngland coach Stuart Lancaster said it was a "bonus" that Bath's cross-code star Sam Burgess was set for an earlier than expected rugby union debut in his bid to win a place in next year's World Cup squad.

Burgess was named on Thursday on Bath's bench for their Premiership match against Harlequins on Friday.

The 25-year-old rugby league convert was not expected to make his Bath bow until the end of December, but he has reportedly asked his coaches to be integrated into the squad more quickly.

Burgess has not played since fracturing his cheekbone and eye socket during his final appearance for South Sydney in their 30-6 NRL Grand Final victory over Canterbury Bulldogs on October 5.

"It's a bonus that he's starting this early, but it's a long way to go before we start picking our World Cup squad," said Lancaster, whose side play Australia at Twickenham on Saturday.

"It will come down to how he plays; the earlier he learns how to play the game, the more he can learn about it," he added.

"Having worked in the north at Leeds, we've had a lot of players come across from league. Some adapted very quickly and others took longer.

"I'm pleased, and I'll be watching: it will be fascinating to see how he goes."

Burgess's return from Australia has been timed with a tilt at England's World Cup squad in mind.

Lancaster has previously made it clear he sees Burgess's future, in terms of an England place in the centres, with midfield long a problem area for the Red Rose team.

However, Bath coach Mike Ford, the father of England fly-half George Ford, believes that Burgess will eventually develop into a back-row forward.

"If I am quite honest, I don't know where I am best suited. Over time, I think that will become clear," Burgess said recently.

"Nothing is set in stone, and there is no pressure on myself from Mike to do anything. I am just going to get in there, knuckle down, and do my best."

Bath lost 16-12 at home to Sale last weekend and currently sit in third place in the Premiership, two points below leaders Northampton.


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Nov 2014, 08:23
#3
29 Nov 2014, 08:23#3
 "You are contenders but can you beat the big boys one has to ask." (Beeno ramblings, Nov. 2014).
Beeno: you may recall that the ABs have beaten  all concerned many times.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Nov 2014, 12:31
#4
29 Nov 2014, 12:31#4
 JW if you subtract RAW efforts on behalf of the abs there has to be great concern. abs will not be favoured again like theywere in nz at the RWC . With out this the wee abs are doomed.

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
29 Nov 2014, 12:36
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29 Nov 2014, 12:36#5
 Absolute drivel. Where do you come up with this crap?.....
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Dec 2014, 00:33
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03 Dec 2014, 00:33#6
 England did rely on forward power to demolish the Wallabies
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becsPro4,378 posts
03 Dec 2014, 00:41
#7
03 Dec 2014, 00:41#7
It is our strength. 
Always play to your strengths.  
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WardadPro6,663 posts
03 Dec 2014, 12:56
#8
03 Dec 2014, 12:56#8
 So beandork should act even dopier ? Its the only thing he is any good at !Beandips grasp of language is about as useful as long distance signing at the blind .......
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