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Erasmus' next move

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 07:47
#41
21 Nov 2019, 07:47#41

What Roux said does not indicate that SARU appointed anyone on own steam only - The royal we obviously take joint responsibility for the "assembling of the Management staff and he would be a fool not to claim so.  What in fact happened is that they appointed Erasmus as DIRECTOR OF RUGBY and he then decided as to whom he wants as supporting staff,  Those appointments were made and the same method will be used in the appointment of the Head Coach, 

This has been the constant theme in the case of the supporting staff - When De Bruyn was forced through a health problem - Erasmus decided on Jones from Munster to be brought in and even gave a press interview himself on that decision.   

Fact is that SARU will accept whom Erasmus decided to appoint.  That has been in he media every time the  Head Coach position was discussed after the WC - so now suddenly you discovered something different and came up with your own BS story.  Get that head of yours to stop "raasing".       

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2019, 08:42
#42
21 Nov 2019, 08:42#42
“ Posted by: clevermike (39104 posts) Nov 21, 2019, 01:11 No dofdoos - you are soldiering on without evidence,” I’m supporting no one poepol. I am saying that you made an assertion without any evidence. I have also said that you didn’t understand the idea of burden of proof before and I also predicted that you would not understand it this time around, whether by choice, or through sheer stupidity. I still cannot decide which one it is. In short, if you make the claim, you are the one who has to provide the evidence. Simple as that.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 09:05
#43
21 Nov 2019, 09:05#43

I wrote what a dozen reporters in the media wrote about the appointment of the Head Coach since the WC and you claimed that it was wrong to refer to it after another Mozart story sucked from his thumb.  So look up anything to support your story if you want to - I am not going to run around after having to deal with your BS about Erasmus's own appointment previously.     

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2019, 10:23
#44
21 Nov 2019, 10:23#44
“ Posted by: clevermike (39111 posts) Nov 21, 2019, 09:05 I wrote what a dozen reporters in the media wrote about the appointment of the Head Coach since the WC and you claimed that it was wrong to refer to it after another Mozart story sucked from his thumb.“ That should make it easy as pie then. Just give us a link to, let’s say, two or three of those articles. Simples. If I made an assertion and you challenged me, my very first move would have been to dig up some evidence to support my claim. Not you. You throw it back and expect me to prove that something doesn’t exist.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Nov 2019, 10:28
#45
21 Nov 2019, 10:28#45

There's an easier way to resolve this...

How long is Lügnerin's nose? That is equal to how wrong he is on any given topic. Über simples.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 10:39
#46
21 Nov 2019, 10:39#46

The same story applies 100 times more to you than to me.   At least I know reality - you just dream up BS.   The idiot supreme on site who thinks he can lie his way out of problems he created for himself.    

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2019, 11:10
#47
21 Nov 2019, 11:10#47

This is how Ou Maaikie’s logic works. 

He will post a picture of an empty room and write a four page essay on the table in the middle of the room. When you say to him that there is no table in the room he will say: “Prove it”. 

You cannot make this shit up. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2019, 11:30
#48
21 Nov 2019, 11:30#48

Congrats to Mike on getting Rassie right, Du Toit right, Allende right and malherbe right.

Mike clearly got these big issues for the board 100% right!

Dispite all the flack Mike got and of course your truly we won the arguments hands down:

Rassie world coach of the year

Boks world team of the year

Boks World champions

Boks 4 nations champs

Boks number 1 ranked team in the world.

Steph Du Toit world rugby player of the year.

Bwahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

How often didn't i try to warn the oaks they were getting it wrong. But sadly they just wouldn't listen to me or indeed to Mike.

Not that i like to rub it in, Just saying!




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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2019, 12:30
#49
21 Nov 2019, 12:30#49
Yep. There we go. Beeno has obviously enrolled at the University of Ou Maaikie in The Art of Obfuscation and Deception 101.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2019, 12:35
#50
21 Nov 2019, 12:35#50

Name one thing that is wrong about my post Windpomp. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 12:58
#51
21 Nov 2019, 12:58#51

Nothing wrong Beeno

Ceradunce,  Mozart, Pakie, and AO are consistently wrong on everything,   The latest efforts are about their heads being empty - not an empty room the Dunce dreamt up,    He thinks there is an empty room though and dreams about a obstacle in the middle - which the three of them could use.  Funny how some people never learn.  

They are slapped in the face by facts and they then dream up counter-facts that slap them in the face again and repeated the idiocy  in the hope that something would materialize and not get slapped in the face by their new dreams again.   One would have thought that after all the things they got wrong they would learn from that fact - but they never do.    They only succeeds in making bigger fools of themselves every time they post BS on site.         


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2019, 13:18
#52
21 Nov 2019, 13:18#52
“ Posted by: Beeno1 (30853 posts) Nov 21, 2019, 12:35 Name one thing that is wrong about my post Windpomp. ” The entire post, TBH. Simply because you have been missing the point of the argument.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2019, 13:31
#53
21 Nov 2019, 13:31#53

Nope look at what has said about Mike being wrong. Well he was 100%correct on a number of hotly debated and important points.

In fact the monstrous mistakes made about Rassie, Du Toit, Allende and Malherbe take some beating.

All we can say is we told you so. 

Bwhahahahahaha now please Windpomp stop pomping out all this hot air! 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 15:04
#54
21 Nov 2019, 15:04#54

Beeno

Everybody in SA  knows about the fact that Erasmus decide on who he wants as supporting staff and the final decision rests with him and nobody else at SARU,   Obviously SARU will announced the appointee after Erasmus decided ion the identity.  

What is evident is that the job of Head Coach will not be advertised - if it was to be - it would have been  advertised already,    What Mozart and Ceradunce stated will not happen - an announcement would be made sooner rather than later,   

As per normal the whole story is aprt of the anti-Erasmus campaign they are still fighting - usibng side-issues to discredit Erasmus,       


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2019, 15:53
#55
21 Nov 2019, 15:53#55

“ Beeno

Everybody in SA  knows about the fact that Erasmus decide on who he wants as supporting staff and the final decision rests with him and nobody else at SARU, ”


I’m saying BS. If you are correct indeed, then provide us with this open secret of who he wants, together with your sources for this. Also provides us with your evidence that the call on who will be appointed rests squarely on Rassie’s shoulders, and nobody else. 


“ What is evident is that the job of Head Coach will not be advertised - if it was to be - it would have been  advertised already,    What Mozart and Ceradunce stated will not happen - an announcement would be made sooner rather than later,  “


I made no assertion of anything happening. I asked some questions relating to the accuracy of the BS that you were posting. 


“ As per normal the whole story is aprt of the anti-Erasmus campaign they are still fighting - usibng side-issues to discredit Erasmus, “


Nothing to do with Rassie or any sentiments towards the man. Everything to do with you, though, and your habit of talking unsubstantiated kak. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2019, 16:19
#56
21 Nov 2019, 16:19#56

HaSBeen  doing a shifty Schiff.....the question on this string is whether Eraser appoints himself. 

It appears he also believes this nonsense!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 17:13
#57
21 Nov 2019, 17:13#57

You do not believe facts and you are totally deluded about what you wrote,.   You are totally deranged when you believe in what you wrote anyway.   To come up with your statement is incredible.   

Lets put it in simple language -

1    Erasmus was involved in extensive negotiations with SARU and the conditions he suggested was incorporated in the contract of employment that allows for -

      *     The appointment of  Erasmus as Director of Rugby;

      *      That because of the short period of 15 months before the WC were too short for appointment of a Head Coach - he position vacated by Coetzee and as a temporary arrangement Erasmus would handle both jobs and a new Head Coach would be appointed.

2    That Erasmus will decide on the appointment of the supporting staff he would need.   He picked the staff he wanted in accordance with the conditions of contract he entered into with SARU.

Fact is you wanted to shit yourself because Erasmus would take up the role of Director of Rugby full time and a Head Coach was to be appointed to work full time on the coaching and related issues.  You accused Erasmus of doing what you claim is ordinary with him and abdicate responsibility because he cannot take pressure.

Now the fact is that the Head Coach organizationally falls under the Director of Rugby and in accordance with the negotiated agreement on employment Erasmus will identify which person he has selected as Head Coach and the appointment will be made accordingly.  

In practice it is clear - Erasmus did not want anybody SARU appointed and he would have noit signed any agreement with them if he did not get the right top determine who would be the Head Coach.   

Have you ever in your life heard about delegation of authority or is that totally absent from normal administrative management?   However, in the situation you saw an opening  to again get at Erasmus with BS comments.
Lastly this issue was repeatedly discussed in the media and even on this site about filling of the Head Coach job.   After the Final in the WC especially you as per normal wrote tripe about the media influencing the game plan to be followed after a media storm about the game plan in the semi - total BS again - and you made a statement to the effect that Erasmus thrive on media hype - another BS story.   He had to give interviews  during the WC and on return to SA - but there was a media complaint that Erasmus do not give enough media interviews -  why did that happen of he is what you claimed he is.
After it became totally clear that after the WC Erasmus move to his appointed post and the enxt step would be for appointment of the Head Coach.    It was always clear that the Head Coach will be appointed - but Erasmus indicated that he would be closely involved in elements of the coaching anyway - even as Director of Rugby.   It also was emphasized that the final decision as the who would be appointed as Head Coach will rest with Erasmus. 
That is why I was surprised about you going on another BS approach on the issue.    But then I expected it would happen anyway because you always tried  to denigrate Erasmus in the past and from your recent posts it was clear you were just changing  tactics slightly - but your anti Erasmus campaign on site is in fact going full steam ahead,
You are not as crude as AO - but nevertheless on the same path.  You cannot take it that the new situation as the Springbok team has changed for the better and that the destruction by Meyer and Coetzee is being remedied.
If there is a Shifty Schiff on site it is you and you can add Strzok to that description as well,  What we believe in is fact - what you write on site is BS.   But you have been at it for years.
So let look at Awards decided on by a panel of experts - top known ex-internationals.   You take it onto yourself to identify your own candidates and then the BS start flowing in site.   Do you know more about rugby than respected world rugby experts decide on a factual basis?   I think not.            
    

    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2019, 19:50
#58
21 Nov 2019, 19:50#58

Provide your source, I'm not reading all that balls. Nor is SARugby going to delegate the appointment of the Bok coach to anybody, including Eraser.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 20:15
#59
21 Nov 2019, 20:15#59

Youi said I am wrong for telling you the truth - but liars do not accept the truth  ever - so go to SARU and asked him about the real situation if you cannot counter what I said,   I will phone them tomorrow and get their response,

You are and has been writing so much shit about Erasmus over the last two years that one should take into account he became one of your pet hate people because he got the job and you wanted White to get it.    One has to bear in mind that you are a petty liar about things nd come up with BS all the time.

One cannot believe that what you write comes from an objective person - it can only when prejudice cause hysteria on site.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2019, 20:28
#60
21 Nov 2019, 20:28#60

Give us a link  or copy and paste one article that supports your view Muck.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 20:59
#61
21 Nov 2019, 20:59#61

No response to BSter. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2019, 21:17
#62
21 Nov 2019, 21:17#62

Because as usual you have nothing.....many supposed articles saying Erasmus can appoint his own successor.....but you can't produce one.


Just another of many examples of childish fantasies you report as fact... provincial administration truths.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 21:33
#63
21 Nov 2019, 21:33#63

Just read the one starting this thread sheister,  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2019, 21:43
#64
21 Nov 2019, 21:43#64

Er...that's the comment that is being disputed ....moron.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Nov 2019, 22:07
#65
21 Nov 2019, 22:07#65

“ Posted by: clevermike (39129 posts)

Nov 21, 2019, 17:13

You do not believe facts and you are totally deluded about what you wrote,. “

Facts? Which facts? Before you reply, consider this: “ A fact is a thing that is known to be consistent with objective reality and can be proven to be true with evidence. ”

“ It also was emphasized that the final decision as the who would be appointed as Head Coach will rest with Erasmus. “

Where, when and by who?

Name your sources, Ou Tokkie, name them or STFU. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Nov 2019, 01:52
#66
22 Nov 2019, 01:52#66

Because Venter knew exactly what the real situation is  - the normal site idiots on site is disputing it.   That is the farce here - they are  also the same people that attacked Erasmus endlessly and write total BS about his game plan and the development of the team using statements of "blunt attack" and "media storm leading to a change in game plan in the final"  and total BS like that,  It got so bad that an NZ site member said he was amazed by the reaction of some site members to  the Springboks WC win and could not understand it, 

The latest farce was an attack started  by Mozart on De Allende immediately after the WC in a thread based on total BS and the attack on Du Toit who was rated by an independent group of ex test players as the Player of the Year by both Mozart and AO.   If there ever were total lies and other things that Mozart touted on site - he even discovered his own two candidates for the Player of the Year nomination and was totally maniacal about what he lied about constantly on that issue.

Fact is the case is clear -  we have idiots on site who regard themselves as the real rugby evaluators in the world  and expressing a different view is according to them totally ignorant about real rugby,   In the process they lied and carried on with deception all the time.  

This is the real situation - the country has had a series of disasters over the past decade and  the winning o f the trophy was at least some reason to celebrate something achieved and hundreds and thousands of people gathered all over the country to celebrate it,   What happened on this site is a real tragedy.   Instead of celebration on this site the petty hatred of the coach and some players  caused the Mozart clique to piss on the achievement in what they write on this site.  That to my mind is what never was the intention by the majority of members - the minority          did so.     

I think and said elsewhere already one should not dignify their totally deceitful conduct with an response - they do not deserve one.                           

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