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Started by Mozart25 REPLIES1,774 VIEWS· 09 Feb 2022, 18:08
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Feb 2022, 18:08
#1
09 Feb 2022, 18:08#1

Week after week we see Esterhozen winning matches….releasing the Quinn’s backline by committing two tacklers and then deftly offloading, powering over the game line almost always compromising the first tackle….unloading his big left boot.


He is the best inside centre on display in the NH and would walk any of the NH test teams…so much better than Bundi for example.


How  can this man be totally ignored by Harrassmiss for the plodder who lost the English test?

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
09 Feb 2022, 18:39
#2
09 Feb 2022, 18:39#2
Esterhosen is having the time of his life at the Quins....he is playing with confidence and self believe... the coaching staff there is surely doing the right thing with him. I am afraid that when he get chosen for the Boks under R&N and there kicking/ stampkar jol, that he might lose his edge again....I read on news 24 that Nienhaber gave the man a call to tell him that he is playing well....so maybe he will be back sooner than later.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Feb 2022, 20:07
#3
09 Feb 2022, 20:07#3
de Allende is the best 12 in the game - Esterhuizen is probably the second best 12 in the game and should definitely be in the Bok squad ahead of old man Frans who is a joke these days
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
09 Feb 2022, 20:54
#4
09 Feb 2022, 20:54#4

Always was impressed with his strength and play even when he was a Shark.

Hopefully the powers that be will find enough courage to add him to the test squad this year and get him onto the field.

Don't do a "Twins on him".

His play against the Sale Sharks was outstanding yet again.

But I guess the selectors are watching the Pumas playing.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Feb 2022, 21:11
#5
09 Feb 2022, 21:11#5
Esterhozen is more powerful than Dud….doesn’t die with the ball….and can see the field. He wouldn’t have been totally outplayed by Kerevi and wouldn’t have conceded the crucial English try. Maybe Dud is a little better in the fetching department, as long as the coach reminds him to do it!
Time to get a playmaker vs robot.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Feb 2022, 21:33
#6
09 Feb 2022, 21:33#6
Oh what utter crap - de Allende is the most powerful centre in the game - has never been outplayed by Kerevi one on one and de Allende definitely did NOT cost us the England game While Esterhuizen was solid when he played as a Bok he certainly did not set the world alight Comparing Esterhuizen playing for club vs DA playing test rugby is a joke Especially considering not only myself but most rugby followers and scribes have DA as the best 12 in the game. DA was brilliant on the EOYT and that’s a fact DA will always be our 12 as he is that vital to the Boks. Esterhuizen should be his back up and I’d have him on the Bok bench with Willemse being the utility option.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 Feb 2022, 22:43
#7
09 Feb 2022, 22:43#7
I will never, and I mean NEVER, understand the DDA hype. It’s a complete mystery to me how a player devoid of so many basic skills is seen as a deserving Bok. How some see him as the best 12 in the world? Please forward me your dealer’s number, is all I can say. The early DDA, that stepping version, was worthy of a shot at higher honours. But that was many crab runs, missed tackles, poor decisions, failures to run support lines, shocking passes/failures to pass and general numbskullery ago. There is a noticeable narrative here though. Not many that support DDA would also be Mostert supporters. Beef ahead of impact and look ahead of consistency. Go figure :/
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Feb 2022, 22:54
#8
09 Feb 2022, 22:54#8

Completely  agree, so does Rugby Pass:

World Rugby Men’s 15s Dream Team of the Year
1. Wyn Jones (Wales)
2. Malcolm Marx (South Africa)
3. Tadhg Furlong (Ireland)
4. Maro Itoje (England)
5. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa)
6. Siya Kolisi (South Africa)
7. Michael Hooper (Australia)
8. Ardie Savea (New Zealand)
9. Antoine Dupont (France)
10. Beauden Barrett (New Zealand)
11. Makazole Mapimpi (South Africa)
12. Samu Kerevi (Australia)
13. Lukhanyo Am (South Africa)
14. Will Jordan (New Zealand)
15. Stuart Hogg (Scotland

…..

Dud’s groupies literally lie to themselves. Dave actually believes Dud has no culpability for the English winning try….even though they ran right through his channel while he was dithering.

But the real reveal was Kerevi  vs Dud. Dud disappeared and Kerevi dominated the midfield.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
09 Feb 2022, 23:16
#9
09 Feb 2022, 23:16#9

Esterhuizen is in his prime and he will continue this form to the world cup barring injuries. 
He is clearly relishing a new environment and game plan.

He will certainly be back in the squad, perhaps even the matchday squad. 
A younger version of Frans Steyn, more powerful but without the skill of Steyn in his prime. 



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Feb 2022, 00:01
#10
10 Feb 2022, 00:01#10
Plum it tells me you know fuck all about rugby
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
10 Feb 2022, 01:58
#11
10 Feb 2022, 01:58#11

Esterhuizen has had fantastic games for the Sharks, where he is now a big loss. 
He has never carried that form consistently for the Boks, but hopefully he will this season. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
10 Feb 2022, 02:00
#12
10 Feb 2022, 02:00#12


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Feb 2022, 05:10
#13
10 Feb 2022, 05:10#13

With regard to Esterhozen’s Bok form….he last played for the Boks almost 4 years ago. He is a different player and those games were for an imploding Coetzee and a losing Harrassmiss.

 The Boks lost half of the games he played in. He never had a chance to play in a Bok team winning the collisions and set pieces, as Dud has.

Nonetheless there is no point playing the guy if offloading remains a discouraged activity.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Feb 2022, 10:46
#14
10 Feb 2022, 10:46#14

Some quotes from Moffie before he knew his arch-enemy ou Maaik didn't rate Esterhuizen:

"Slowest back in Super Rugby....my vote would go to Andre Esterhozen. Props fly by him on the kick chase."

"Moz spot on as usual, Esterhozen is a snail."

"Allende and Esterhozen would be the slowest clumsiest centre combination in rugby."

It's a bit like Moffie proclaiming himself as the rugby genius who discovered Cheslin Kolbe (after slagging him off for years as not being test quality). 

LMAO!

Seems like one of two things happen when a player's performances on the field result in copious amounts of egg plastering Moffie's fat and ignorant face . . . either he bangs on for years about how stupid all the professional coaches, pundits, writers and selectors must be to praise the player that he didn't rate (examples are Pieter-Steph du Toit, CJ Stander and Damian de Allende) . . . or else he lies through his rotting yellow teeth and pretends he not only always rated the player he used to slag off, but was in fact the first person to spot the talent (examples Andre Esterhuizen, Jaque Fourie and Cheslin Kolbe).

Moffie's desperate need to be seen as some kind of rugby visionary on this message board demonstrates what a pathetic, needy and attention-seeking loser he is, but the fact that he is such a dishonest and clueless rugby noob does make it hilarious!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Feb 2022, 18:11
#15
10 Feb 2022, 18:11#15

Poor old Peeper, doing exhaustive research to try and win his first argument against me. Sadly I have nothing to retract.  Esterhozen is a snail, I was spot on. But he has learned how to use his power effectively and  is perhaps the best offloader in the game. Much like SBW who was no speed merchant.


But you should learn from this. The honest observer changes his position when the facts change. And Esterhozen became a different player up north. Whereas you still think Schalk Burger was useless and Luke Watson was a potential great done in by Jake White.


Hilarious. And did you really think I wasn’t aware my prior  comments on Esterhozen  might surface? Especially using my branded name for him?  And that I wasn’t totally unconcerned?

LMAOFY!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Feb 2022, 23:38
#16
10 Feb 2022, 23:38#16
Disagree Moz, Esterhuizen is definitely not slow and nothing much has changed with him. He has always been a good player who often used the offload for the Sharks The notion that players improve when they move is a fallacy. By early 20’s you are what you are skill wise, with experience comes added value offset by the negatives of ageing. When players move they find themselves in a different team environment, different coach, different philosophy and different game plans. With that players can appear to be different when in actual fact they are not. Players play as per instruction I’m not saying players don’t improve or change but those changes are marginal
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Feb 2022, 05:36
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11 Feb 2022, 05:36#17
Well when a team emphasizes a player’s  particular strengths he improves and those strengths develop. Look at a guy like Burger who went from a fetcher to a ball carrier and offloader. Players grow and hone their skills. Koch after his stint up north is a way better scrummager than he was in his early Bok days.
But there are those that seem to regress with the passage of time, which seems to be happening to the Deysel twins.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Feb 2022, 10:18
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11 Feb 2022, 10:18#18
The du Preez twins are amongst the best loosies in the NH so not sure what you base that on for it’s evident you clearly are not watching them play They would not have received Bok recalls if their play was regressing. In a nutshell you are speaking crap. Schalk always had those skills but was never encouraged to use them. At Saracens they wanted him to attack space and offload - back home they wanted him to target contact. A tighthead usually improves with age as he gets stronger and learns the dark arts of scrumming. That will apply to most, except for Marcel vd Merwe who’s stint in France did him no favours. Forwards seem to regress playing in France. Paul Willemse was much more aggressive and in your face playing for the Bulls. Jacques du Plessis was a huge prospect when playing for the Bulls but seemed to just go through the motions at Montpellier
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
11 Feb 2022, 10:33
#19
11 Feb 2022, 10:33#19
Have linked a video below. Sorry can’t post the direct video from my iPhone, for some reason the icons don’t appear here for that. Time stamp 01:11 https://youtu.be/XLZJwm8Jyf4 Have a look at what Kerevi does. He takes the hit, has enough time to turn and scan for an off-load, sees there is no option and goes to ground to set up a comfortable ruck. That’s a skill that DDA has never, and will never, be possessed of. Kerevi wants to step, crashes when he can’t step, looks to off-load and is able to quickly decide what the best option is. Watch the rest of the clip to see what a centre that can offload is able to do. Note, this is only against the Boks. There are many more examples in other videos. You could say that the Boks don’t allow DDA the freedom but then it must be the case for his club sides too because you have to look far and wide to find him displaying the skill, intelligence and decision making that Kerevi makes appear effortless. DDA is marginally stronger on his feet and rucks more often. Those are the only areas where I can see him being ahead of Kerevi.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
11 Feb 2022, 20:06
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11 Feb 2022, 20:06#20

Kerevi is the epitome of a modern-day centre, the complete package. Delande is obviously good, but he can't match Kerevi's all-around game, especially as a playmaker  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Feb 2022, 21:15
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11 Feb 2022, 21:15#21
Oh what utter crap Kerevi blows hot and cold all the time - it’s the very reason he has never cemented the Oz 12 spot DA showed us a great step and break as recent as the EOYT as he did the offload
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
12 Feb 2022, 19:39
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12 Feb 2022, 19:39#22

He learned his trade in Japan and even talked about how it upped his game. I think it was White who said he was a blindsider and that pretty much sums up how you jarpies see talent and potential. Maybe Damian should have done the same thing earlier in his career and we'd see more from him. It doesn't matter anyway because you lot don't use backlines accept for something involving kicking, kicking and more kicking. Jarpies cant coach for shit (funny how you guys argue over these numptys but they are basically all the same). Eveeybody knows every springbok team is basically the same basic unit doing the same very basic stuff. Can be good in knockout rugby but its not going to do any good anywhere else. Tell me when the last time was that the Springboks had any consistent run of good results. Doesn't matter who you guys have in midfield because no springbok midfielders have played any good. scrmhalf kicks and big wings catching them and defence. Esterhuizen should probably wait it out and play for England. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Feb 2022, 22:09
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12 Feb 2022, 22:09#23
Rose We had a team that, for around four years, ran circles around everybody. They put 50 on the board more often than not and nobody could keep up. …we treated it as an anomaly instead of learning from and building on it.
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
13 Feb 2022, 01:13
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13 Feb 2022, 01:13#24

4 years you say??? I cant think when that would be but the last time was definitely when Nick was coaching the team. The last great south Africa coach. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
13 Feb 2022, 02:56
#25
13 Feb 2022, 02:56#25
It would be good to see Esterhuizen given a run for the Boks again, and he has combined with AM at the Sharks. Maybe a bench player to make an impact in the last 25 minutes. 

 If AM was injured during a test, it would mean Esterhuizen and Delande combining in the midfield. That would be South Africa's biggest centre combination ever. A crash ball offload to set the other one up to carry it up. Almost a certain try with a winger on the outside running a good supporting line. 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Feb 2022, 09:23
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13 Feb 2022, 09:23#26
"4 years you say??? I cant think when that would be but the last time was definitely when Nick was coaching the team. The last great south Africa coach. "
He was talking about the Lions Super Rugby team of a few seasons ago, not the Boks.
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