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Etzebeth at 5

Started by Shezza13 REPLIES371 VIEWS· 02 Dec 2014, 16:49
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02 Dec 2014, 16:49
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02 Dec 2014, 16:49#1

I'm really liking this idea, he's been the best in the lineout all season making steal after steal and outplaying Matfield in his own game. He's also ridiculously athletic having taken part in long jump in his school days and he has marshalled the Stormers lineout well in Bekker's absence (2013 when Andrie's was injured). Steph Du-Toit in my eye's looks like he can play both but with the news that he has bulked up I'm leaning towards him playing 4.

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02 Dec 2014, 17:06
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02 Dec 2014, 17:06#2
 Shezza
Pieter-Steph was shown in the video when attending a recent game and he looked really bulked up and much stornger than he did before his injury.   However, where did you get the news from tha he bulked up?   He always was circa 118 kgs in weight - what is he now?
Personally i think it is way past the time for Matfield to go - he is weakening the tight 5 way too much and he is showing a serious decline in line out performances - perceived to be his strongest asset.   I have no problem with Etzebeth at 5 and Pieter-Steph at 4  or vice versa.
However, we are trying our luck here - Meyer will never dispose of Matfield - irrespective of how useless he is.  
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02 Dec 2014, 17:15
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02 Dec 2014, 17:15#3
I think that PSTD is the natural successor to Matfield, but Ezebeth has been seen as a potential 5 since he started playing at 4 for the Stormers. He is athletic enough, and a good jumper. 
I do think that their should be a legacy where the incumbent player has to start from the bench and beat the established player. Also both can learn allot from Matfield, so having the young and the old in the squad is good. 
It is unfortunate about the injuries to PSTD as he is much better than Lood Foot. He could by now have been in the Springbok system and passed Matfield by. 
One thing about lineouts though. Many of the commentators on Sky sports say that the lineouts throws are anywhere except where Matfield is. Everyone knows Matfield is the lineout master so they opposition never through the ball near him. matfield is still calling the lineouts on our own throw and organising on defence. 
PSDT may well have allready passed Matfield by, but he cant do that from the stand injured all of the time.


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02 Dec 2014, 17:21
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02 Dec 2014, 17:21#4

 I don't really care where you put them, but these four will be y world cup locks


Du TOit

Etzebeth

Flip

Lewies

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02 Dec 2014, 18:01
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02 Dec 2014, 18:01#5
 Trumpets in Zion as PS du Toit is ushered into his hereditary spot as Bok 5. A picture is all we need. Performance? Nah, he had a good CC game once. That's enough. Of course he is a little fragile, but no matter we have.......waaaaaahahaha ...Lewies  to back him up.
Stupid doesn't begin to describe it.
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02 Dec 2014, 18:45
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02 Dec 2014, 18:45#6

PSDT is an awesome talent and I also read somewhere that he had put on plenty of muscle while out injured. What a player this kid is. He would be better suited to 5 than Etzebeth who is more than capable of playing 5.....But my call would be Willemse for now until we get a look at PSDT and reminded of how good he is.


I'd go with Willemse at 4 and Etzebeth at 5. However if we go with Etzebeth and PSDT it has to be Etzebeth at 4 and PSDT at 5.


I am also a big Lood fan he had a huge S15 season in a poor Cheetahs side.....I'd also move the impressive Jacques du Plessis of the Bulls to his rightful spot at lock. Lewies is a good prospect, I like his work rate and aggression.


The young WP pair are good, in particular Jean Kleyn, with Ruan Botha a close second.


Its a pity we lost the Marais brothers to France and Mostert of the Lions impresses me. Don't forget Quinn Roux and the Cheetahs, Carl Wegner.


We have locks to burn. 

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02 Dec 2014, 20:08
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02 Dec 2014, 20:08#7
 Mozart and Sharkbok
Please keep living in Cloude Cuckoo land ab out Matfield's mastery in line-oouts - that was the case years ago.  Studdy his line out eprfraces and theway things went snce June - when h came back to play for the Boks.
 He called less and less line-outs to himself - and he a g ainst Wales stood at no 3 in th Line-outs - apparently to get away from the  Welsh no 5 lock.   He has lost some line outs on own thrhow and was not a shadow of the line out player he used to be.   
Sure he can advise other players - but not in the team where he is a serious problem in Tight 5 play.   That is the long and the short of the issue - he should do his country a favour and retire.   


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02 Dec 2014, 21:45
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02 Dec 2014, 21:45#8
He won't, he is your next Bok captain  
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02 Dec 2014, 22:26
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02 Dec 2014, 22:26#9
 BB
That would be the biggest disaster for Springbok Rugby ever.   
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02 Dec 2014, 22:54
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02 Dec 2014, 22:54#10
Well we can count on Victor to be there....he isn't going to get hurt by a puff of wind like Stephanie.
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02 Dec 2014, 23:42
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02 Dec 2014, 23:42#11
 What a fart we have in Victoria - he does not do enough to get hurt - but did he not opt out of two matches this year -- because he split ia fingernail?   
In another thread you wrote that the Springbok Tight 5 combaination has been weakened and I asked why that happened - but you did not repond.   There are actually two reasonss, namely -
*   the decline since 2013 in the prerformances of Jannie and Beast; and*   the bringing in of the gruntless Victoria into the combination.
Be honest and admit those are the reaosns.    
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03 Dec 2014, 01:32
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03 Dec 2014, 01:32#12
 The absence of Alber ts and Flip is the reason we have lost "blocky"power
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03 Dec 2014, 05:58
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03 Dec 2014, 05:58#13
 Heavens above - this  guy has lost it.   Raw power - with Flippe possible - with Alberts never - he does not produce anything at all - standing around behind mauls and never be invovled in ball protection and recovery.   Remember his Treeby tackle technique?
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03 Dec 2014, 07:31
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03 Dec 2014, 07:31#14
 
Victor was a genius ... operative word being "was" ...

Now he's a lightweight pretending to be 25 ... well past his best ... suffering from the same condition Mozart is ... delusions of grandeur ...

Unless injured Matfield will captain Meyers Clowns in next years world cup.

Etzebeth is my man for the Bok 5 jersey. Has been for awhile now. 

Not so sure about PSDT at 4. To be quite honest I'd prefer Willemse there.

 

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